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  • feltdizz
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    • May 2008
    • 27226

    Originally posted by Captain Lemming
    Paxton Lynch was drafted by Denver. Does not mean he is not a bust.
    not for us.. did we give something of value up to get a look at him?
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    • Captain Lemming
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      • Jun 2008
      • 15979

      Originally posted by feltdizz
      not for us.. did we give something of value up to get a look at him?
      My point is that a bust is a bust. If Haskins is a bust, he is a bust that did not cost us much just like Paxton. It is low risk for us so it is worth taking a shot.

      If Haskin fails he will be labeled a bust period, not just in association with one team.

      Conversely, if he becomes a HOFer, it doesn't mean he was a WFT "bust". He won't be a bust at all as long as he is successful.
      Last edited by Captain Lemming; 06-13-2021, 11:26 PM.
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      In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

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      The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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      • Captain Lemming
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        • Jun 2008
        • 15979

        Being cut does not make one a bust of that team. A unsuccessful career despite high expectations makes one a bust. Example?

        Johnny Unitas was cut by the Steelers. Is he known as a "Steeler bust?"

        He has never been a bust by any definition save for what you see below.

        Last edited by Captain Lemming; 06-13-2021, 11:43 PM.
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        In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

        TCFCLTC-
        The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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        • Shawn
          Legend
          • Mar 2008
          • 15131

          Originally posted by NorthCoast
          WFT didn't hurt Chase Young's rookie season. Dude balled out last season. And Mclaurin has done just fine as well.
          Chase Young is a freak of nature. He is a generational talent. He is also more mature than Haskins. I think Haskins has elite arm talent. But I think he has been highly immature. WFT isn't the place for a kid who needs structure and accountability.
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          • Shawn
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            • Mar 2008
            • 15131

            Originally posted by Mifflin
            And none of that had anything to do with going to nightclubs during a pandemic. Personal choice. Personal responsibility. Did you read about any other WFT player doing that.

            Dont question the physical talent but I have serious questions on Haskins mental make up
            I think that's the only question in most people's minds. He was raised since a small child to be a NFL QB. His father brought him up in the game with heavy structure and practice. Meyers gave him the structure he needed as well. When he went to WFT, I would compare it to the first time a college freshman is away from mom and dad. They go a little nuts. He is a young man. He made young immature man decisions. Now, lets see if he learned from his mistakes.

            Roethlisberger thinks Haskins’ release, throwing motion and mechanics are “some of the prettiest I’ve seen,” and that Haskins “could throw it through a car wash, it wouldn’t get wet.”
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            • Iron City Inc.
              Hall of Famer
              • Jun 2013
              • 3192

              Originally posted by Shawn
              I think that's the only question in most people's minds. He was raised since a small child to be a NFL QB. His father brought him up in the game with heavy structure and practice. Meyers gave him the structure he needed as well. When he went to WFT, I would compare it to the first time a college freshman is away from mom and dad. They go a little nuts. He is a young man. He made young immature man decisions. Now, lets see if he learned from his mistakes.

              Roethlisberger thinks Haskins’ release, throwing motion and mechanics are “some of the prettiest I’ve seen,” and that Haskins “could throw it through a car wash, it wouldn’t get wet.”
              I know Rivera handed him the starting job n that was likely a mistake. He just wasn't ready. The fact they gave up on him so quickly after drafting him at #15 is a bit surprising.
              Here he'll compete n see how it shakes out. That's the way it should be. Considering we were fortunate enough to pick him up without giving up any compensation puts us in a win win position. OTA's seem to be going well for Haskins. Short sample size here but so far so good on n off the field. I like Dobbs, doesn't everyone, but if Haskins beats him out we're a better team.

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              • NorthCoast
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                • Sep 2008
                • 26227

                Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
                I put most of the blame on Haskins, to blame the owner for why you didn't bother to learn the playbook is ridiculous.

                however, Haskins is still young and deserves a second chance. I'm certainly willing to give it to him as I'm sure most Steelers fans are.
                Someone that gets it. You can't blame an org for the decisions Haskins made. He could have been playing for Attila the Hun but it doesn't absolve him from his poor choices. He may have the talent but does he have the mindset of a franchise QB? The Steelers might be the only opportunity he gets to show it. After all, if he fails here, what other team will take a chance besides Belichick?...{but he likes smart guys so not seeing that.}

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                • feltdizz
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                  • May 2008
                  • 27226

                  Ron Rivera admits regrets with Haskins and vows not to make the same mistake this summer. Rivera just gave Haskins the job and didn’t make him work for
                  it.

                  "The mistake I made was that my approach was wrong," Rivera told ESPN on Thursday. (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31605828/washington-football-team-open-competition-starting-qb-job)"I should have made as big a competition as possible, and that's on me. I wanted to try and find a guy. I thought [Haskins] was ready to take a step and take every opportunity. I try to build that rapport he needed with his teammates, and that would have been something we may have been able to see sooner and could have done something different, perhaps."


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                  • Shawn
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                    • Mar 2008
                    • 15131

                    Originally posted by NorthCoast
                    Someone that gets it. You can't blame an org for the decisions Haskins made. He could have been playing for Attila the Hun but it doesn't absolve him from his poor choices. He may have the talent but does he have the mindset of a franchise QB? The Steelers might be the only opportunity he gets to show it. After all, if he fails here, what other team will take a chance besides Belichick?...{but he likes smart guys so not seeing that.}
                    I don't blame the organization. I blame Haskins. I do believe WFT was a poor fit due to his lack of maturity. It didn't help. But, at the end of the day, Haskins needs to grow up and work. If he does, I think he could be very special.
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                    • NorthCoast
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                      • Sep 2008
                      • 26227

                      Originally posted by Shawn
                      I don't blame the organization. I blame Haskins. I do believe WFT was a poor fit due to his lack of maturity. It didn't help. But, at the end of the day, Haskins needs to grow up and work. If he does, I think he could be very special.
                      I hope this happens because that would save the Steelers from taking a QB early in the next draft and from what I am reading there isn't a whole lot special about the class next year. And I think they will need the high picks for OL again next season. We'll see.

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                      • Shawn
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                        • Mar 2008
                        • 15131

                        Originally posted by NorthCoast
                        I hope this happens because that would save the Steelers from taking a QB early in the next draft and from what I am reading there isn't a whole lot special about the class next year. And I think they will need the high picks for OL again next season. We'll see.
                        I agree. I don't think we draft a QB next year. I believe the next starting QB for the Steelers is on the roster. I'm hoping it's Haskins because I know MR is not the long term answer.
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                        • Northern_Blitz
                          Legend
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 23986

                          Originally posted by feltdizz
                          Ron Rivera admits regrets with Haskins and vows not to make the same mistake this summer. Rivera just gave Haskins the job and didn’t make him work for
                          it.

                          "The mistake I made was that my approach was wrong," Rivera told ESPN on Thursday. (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31605828/washington-football-team-open-competition-starting-qb-job)"I should have made as big a competition as possible, and that's on me. I wanted to try and find a guy. I thought [Haskins] was ready to take a step and take every opportunity. I try to build that rapport he needed with his teammates, and that would have been something we may have been able to see sooner and could have done something different, perhaps."


                          Sounds like Rivera understands personal responsibility.

                          Haskins will get another opportunity to sew if he does too.

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                          • Steel Maniac
                            Banned
                            • Apr 2017
                            • 19472

                            Rivera didn't want the kid; he was forced on him by Snyder. Simple as that. It's very convienient now to be philosophical because the kid is no longer on the team. But Rivera does seem to have them going in the right direction. They too will be looking for their QB of the future soon.

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                            • feltdizz
                              Legend
                              • May 2008
                              • 27226

                              Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                              Sounds like Rivera understands personal responsibility.

                              Haskins will get another opportunity to sew if he does too.
                              Indeed. I’m not suggesting Haskins bears no responsibility as a player. He definitely needs to show maturity and leadership qualities if he wants to stay in the NFL.

                              But I think franchises and coaches also have a responsibility to recognize when players aren’t ready.

                              I don’t think Haskins was ready to be a day 1 starter.
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                              • Oviedo
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                                • May 2008
                                • 23776

                                Originally posted by Shawn
                                I think that's the only question in most people's minds. He was raised since a small child to be a NFL QB. His father brought him up in the game with heavy structure and practice. Meyers gave him the structure he needed as well. When he went to WFT, I would compare it to the first time a college freshman is away from mom and dad. They go a little nuts. He is a young man. He made young immature man decisions. Now, lets see if he learned from his mistakes.

                                Roethlisberger thinks Haskins’ release, throwing motion and mechanics are “some of the prettiest I’ve seen,” and that Haskins “could throw it through a car wash, it wouldn’t get wet.”

                                Maybe that is just another example of bad decision making. Why would someone throw a ball through a car wash????
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