Steelers sing haskins

[feltdizz]

I put most of the blame on Haskins, to blame the owner for why you didn't bother to learn the playbook is ridiculous.

however, Haskins is still young and deserves a second chance. I'm certainly willing to give it to him as I'm sure most Steelers fans are.

Are we sure he simply didn’t bother to learn it or did he struggle to learn it?

IMO its too early to make this conclusion. 3 head coaches in less than 2 years. Whole new coaching staff his second year with a covid off season. I understand Rivera doesn’t have the time and patience given what he had at QB.. but I think this is exactly what Haskin’s needed and IMO it was mishandled by an org with a history if rushing QB’s and lacking the patience to let them develop.

Its good for us though and I believe Haskins and the Steelers will benefit from Washington’s mistake… and by mistake I mean drafting him too early and rushing him onto the field.

[Northern_Blitz]

Are we sure he simply didn’t bother to learn it or did he struggle to learn it?

IMO its too early to make this conclusion. 3 head coaches in less than 2 years. Whole new coaching staff his second year with a covid off season. I understand Rivera doesn’t have the time and patience given what he had at QB.. but I think this is exactly what Haskin’s needed and IMO it was mishandled by an org with a history if rushing QB’s and lacking the patience to let them develop.

Its good for us though and I believe Haskins and the Steelers will benefit from Washington’s mistake… and by mistake I mean drafting him too early and rushing him onto the field.

I admire your optimism and hope you are right.

But teams don't cut bait on high pedigree QBs in the middle of cheap rookie contracts.

And I don't think the partying during covid mattered, except that it gave them a chance to cut him for detrimental conduct and maybe get out of otherwise guaranteed money.

I'm with Hawaiian in that it's mostly the player (and the coaching didn't help here).

But I always think the players are more important than the coaches or the environments.

But, at his current contract it would be foolish not to give him a chance. Especially when the other non-starting QBs don't really seem to starters.

I think Haskins has the highest upside and Mason has the lowest floor. So I think the best case is Haskins reaching his potential.

[BURGH86STEEL]

I admire your optimism and hope you are right.

But teams don't cut bait on high pedigree QBs in the middle of cheap rookie contracts.

And I don't think the partying during covid mattered, except that it gave them a chance to cut him for detrimental conduct and maybe get out of otherwise guaranteed money.

I'm with Hawaiian in that it's mostly the player (and the coaching didn't help here).

But I always think the players are more important than the coaches or the environments.

But, at his current contract it would be foolish not to give him a chance. Especially when the other non-starting QBs don't really seem to starters.

I think Haskins has the highest upside and Mason has the lowest floor. So I think the best case is Haskins reaching his potential.

I believe most of the blame falls on Haskins. Some players struggle with maturity coming from college to the pros. Some players probably don't come to the realization that professional football is a job. It's a job/profession that should be treated seriously inside and outside of the lines. I am not sure what kind of "life" coaching Haskins received during his time in college and in Washington. Probably not much in college because coaches cater to highly talented players. The pros are a different story.

He probably could had benefited from a coach like Tomlin from day one who takes a personal interest in players and relates to players outside of the lines. That being said, that only takes an individual so far if they don't listen or are head cases ie AB.

We are going to find out soon how mature Haskins became and the seriousness it takes to become a professional football player. At the very least he could become a back up QB in the league.

[Captain Lemming]

Are we sure he simply didn’t bother to learn it or did he struggle to learn it?

Am I the only one who actually hopes the answer is NOT "he struggled to learn it"?

Desire to learn...that can be come with a wake up call provided by being cut.

Immature can literally be corrected by simply "growing up".

You can't fix dumb.

[Captain Lemming]

I think Haskins has the highest upside and Mason has the lowest floor. So I think the best case is Haskins reaching his potential.

I think similarly, Haskins has the highest ceiling. But I'd say Mason has the higher floor.

Haskins is going to be a good starting QB or 100 percent bust (more likely bust). He will not survive long as a backup.

I think Mason is a backup for sure but it is unlikely he win a starting job beyond as placeholder before a more desirable option is found.

[feltdizz]

I admire your optimism and hope you are right.

But teams don't cut bait on high pedigree QBs in the middle of cheap rookie contracts.

And I don't think the partying during covid mattered, except that it gave them a chance to cut him for detrimental conduct and maybe get out of otherwise guaranteed money.

I'm with Hawaiian in that it's mostly the player (and the coaching didn't help here).

But I always think the players are more important than the coaches or the environments.

But, at his current contract it would be foolish not to give him a chance. Especially when the other non-starting QBs don't really seem to starters.

I think Haskins has the highest upside and Mason has the lowest floor. So I think the best case is Haskins reaching his potential.

Teams cut bait all the time when a new head coach and coaching staff take over.

Again, this was a pick the last coaching staff didn’t want and was solely a Snyder pick.

Rivera cutting Haskins was a power move. Snyder would have called down and forced Rivera to play Haskins regardless if he was ready or not because Snyder has a huge ego and wants to prove he knows how to draft QB’s… and the reality is he doesn’t have a good track record with evaluating QB talent properly.

Rivera also has a short window to turn things around and having a QB who doesn’t fit his coaching style is a waste of time.

My hope is since there is no rush to start Haskins this year he can develop, learn the offense and be ready next year for a chance to be QB.

[feltdizz]

I think similarly, Haskins has the highest ceiling. But I'd say Mason has the higher floor.

Haskins is going to be a good starting QB or 100 percent bust (more likely bust). He will not survive long as a backup.

I think Mason is a backup for sure but it is unlikely he win a starting job beyond as placeholder before a more desirable option is found.

he was a bust for WFT. Surprise, surprise.. another QB who ended up being a bust in Washington. That isn’t shocking.

He can’t be a bust for us because we paid pennies on the dollar for him.

[Captain Lemming]

he was a bust for WFT. Surprise, surprise.. another QB who ended up being a bust in Washington. That isn’t shocking.

He can’t be a bust for us because we paid pennies on the dollar for him.

Paxton Lynch was drafted by Denver. Does not mean he is not a bust.

[NorthCoast]

Teams cut bait all the time when a new head coach and coaching staff take over.

Again, this was a pick the last coaching staff didn’t want and was solely a Snyder pick.

Rivera cutting Haskins was a power move. Snyder would have called down and forced Rivera to play Haskins regardless if he was ready or not because Snyder has a huge ego and wants to prove he knows how to draft QB’s… and the reality is he doesn’t have a good track record with evaluating QB talent properly.

Rivera also has a short window to turn things around and having a QB who doesn’t fit his coaching style is a waste of time.

My hope is since there is no rush to start Haskins this year he can develop, learn the offense and be ready next year for a chance to be QB.

Haskins was drafted when Gruden was HC. Where do you see it written that Rivera hated the pick? Why wouldn't Rivera try to do the best he could for a talented QB?

[Northern_Blitz]

I think similarly, Haskins has the highest ceiling. But I'd say Mason has the higher floor.

Haskins is going to be a good starting QB or 100 percent bust (more likely bust). He will not survive long as a backup.

I think Mason is a backup for sure but it is unlikely he win a starting job beyond as placeholder before a more desirable option is found.

That's what I was thinking...mistyped.

I believe that your are right that Mason's floor is higher than Haskin's.

[Northern_Blitz]

Teams cut bait all the time when a new head coach and coaching staff take over.

Again, this was a pick the last coaching staff didn’t want and was solely a Snyder pick.

Rivera cutting Haskins was a power move. Snyder would have called down and forced Rivera to play Haskins regardless if he was ready or not because Snyder has a huge ego and wants to prove he knows how to draft QB’s… and the reality is he doesn’t have a good track record with evaluating QB talent properly.

Rivera also has a short window to turn things around and having a QB who doesn’t fit his coaching style is a waste of time.

My hope is since there is no rush to start Haskins this year he can develop, learn the offense and be ready next year for a chance to be QB.

I admit to not following the rest of the league as closely as I follow the Steelers.

But here are other QBs I could think of that were in the same camp as Haskins (drafted early in the 1st to be the franchise, but cut after year 2 years): Johnny Football (22nd), P.Lynch (26th), and Tim Tebow (25th). No one looks back at those cuts with regret.

Maybe there are others, I didn't try to do a deep dive or anything. Maybe there are some drafted as high as 15th?

And maybe there's some that went weren't out of the league in a few years?

But this is not exactly who you want to be your comparables if you're a QB that wants to have an NFL job in a year or two.

Again, I think signing Haskins was a no braining (just like signing Lynch was). But my initial excitement on the pick has been tempered by what I think is the reality of the situation.

[hawaiiansteel]

[Northern_Blitz]

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I'm looking forward to (1) Alex K's comments on the preseason battle for backup QB and (2) what these guys do in the pre-season.

[NorthCoast]

He throws a nice ball but this isn't the part of Haskins game we should be concerned about. It's the mental processing at NFL speeds against NFL defenses that needs demonstrated.

[NJ-STEELER]

I put most of the blame on Haskins, to blame the owner for why you didn't bother to learn the playbook is ridiculous.

however, Haskins is still young and deserves a second chance. I'm certainly willing to give it to him as I'm sure most Steelers fans are.

agreed .............