The Too Early 2018 QB talk

[Steel Maniac]

We now know that Cleveland will be picking 1st and 4th (from Houston) in the draft, Cincy will be picking 12th, and Baltimore will be picking 16th.

Cleveland also owns their own second round pick plus Houston and Philly's second round picks as well.

With a competent front office led by John Dorsey (as opposed to that baseball analytics dude who was played by Jonah Hill in Moneyball), they could potentially do some damage.

They have their choice of QB's at the top of the draft (whoever ends up grading out the highest out of Darnold, Rosen, Allen, etc.) and could come back with Saquon Barkley at #4 (after seeing the impact that a dynamic early RB pick like Zeke Elliott or Leonard Fournette had in Dallas and Jacksonville had as rookies).

They already have a strong OL if Joe Thomas comes back healthy (their interior line featuring Bitonio, Tretter, and Zeitler is solid), plus a promising young TE in Njoku, Josh Gordon looked good in his return, and if fellow Baylor wideout Corey Coleman develops, maybe they'll have something there (maybe they can use some of their plentiful free agent dollars to lure Terrelle Pryor back since he was a much better player in Hue Jackson's system than Jay Gruden's).

On defense, they have some guys that you can build around like Myles Garrett, Danny Shelton, Emmanuel Ogbah, Jamie Collins, Joe Schobert, Christian Kirksey, Jabrill Peppers, etc. They could potentially use their four picks on day two of the draft to supplement the D if they use those top 2 picks on potential franchise QB and RB.

I don't think it will take very long for Cleveland to surpass Cincy in our division if they draft well this year and add some quality pieces in free agency.

I totally agree with your assessment of the situation. It won't be long with the ammunition that the Browns have now that they have competent leadership in Dorsey. We need to stay on our game in the draft room because the Browns are on the come up.

[papillon]

If the Steelers win the SB, this is Ben's last season. I believe that.

I'm in the opposite camp on that one, I think if Ben wins #3, then he tries to tie TB with 4 super Bowl trophies and if they lose, he may call it a career and go into the HOF with 2 SB wins. There's only one guy that knows and he isn't talking about it yet.

Pappy

[papillon]

We now know that Cleveland will be picking 1st and 4th (from Houston) in the draft, Cincy will be picking 12th, and Baltimore will be picking 16th.

Cleveland also owns their own second round pick plus Houston and Philly's second round picks as well.

With a competent front office led by John Dorsey (as opposed to that baseball analytics dude who was played by Jonah Hill in Moneyball), they could potentially do some damage.

They have their choice of QB's at the top of the draft (whoever ends up grading out the highest out of Darnold, Rosen, Allen, etc.) and could come back with Saquon Barkley at #4 (after seeing the impact that a dynamic early RB pick like Zeke Elliott or Leonard Fournette had in Dallas and Jacksonville had as rookies).

They already have a strong OL if Joe Thomas comes back healthy (their interior line featuring Bitonio, Tretter, and Zeitler is solid), plus a promising young TE in Njoku, Josh Gordon looked good in his return, and if fellow Baylor wideout Corey Coleman develops, maybe they'll have something there (maybe they can use some of their plentiful free agent dollars to lure Terrelle Pryor back since he was a much better player in Hue Jackson's system than Jay Gruden's).

On defense, they have some guys that you can build around like Myles Garrett, Danny Shelton, Emmanuel Ogbah, Jamie Collins, Joe Schobert, Christian Kirksey, Jabrill Peppers, etc. They could potentially use their four picks on day two of the draft to supplement the D if they use those top 2 picks on potential franchise QB and RB.

I don't think it will take very long for Cleveland to surpass Cincy in our division if they draft well this year and add some quality pieces in free agency.

Keep the faith, they'll screw it up, they've done it before, they're committed, it can happen again.

Pappy

[Ghost]

The browns have a ton of draft picks and cap space. They are also desperate for a franchise qb. Wouldn’t surprise me if they draft a couple in the first round looking for the savior. As to who they take? Simple. Take the worst one first.

Point being, by pick 31 I’m not sure a Ben replacement is on the board - but like others it’s too early for me to make an objective analysis.

Ummm... don't you mean pick 32?

[feltdizz]

We now know that Cleveland will be picking 1st and 4th (from Houston) in the draft, Cincy will be picking 12th, and Baltimore will be picking 16th.

Cleveland also owns their own second round pick plus Houston and Philly's second round picks as well.

With a competent front office led by John Dorsey (as opposed to that baseball analytics dude who was played by Jonah Hill in Moneyball), they could potentially do some damage.

They have their choice of QB's at the top of the draft (whoever ends up grading out the highest out of Darnold, Rosen, Allen, etc.) and could come back with Saquon Barkley at #4 (after seeing the impact that a dynamic early RB pick like Zeke Elliott or Leonard Fournette had in Dallas and Jacksonville had as rookies).

They already have a strong OL if Joe Thomas comes back healthy (their interior line featuring Bitonio, Tretter, and Zeitler is solid), plus a promising young TE in Njoku, Josh Gordon looked good in his return, and if fellow Baylor wideout Corey Coleman develops, maybe they'll have something there (maybe they can use some of their plentiful free agent dollars to lure Terrelle Pryor back since he was a much better player in Hue Jackson's system than Jay Gruden's).

On defense, they have some guys that you can build around like Myles Garrett, Danny Shelton, Emmanuel Ogbah, Jamie Collins, Joe Schobert, Christian Kirksey, Jabrill Peppers, etc. They could potentially use their four picks on day two of the draft to supplement the D if they use those top 2 picks on potential franchise QB and RB.

I don't think it will take very long for Cleveland to surpass Cincy in our division if they draft well this year and add some quality pieces in free agency.

I have no faith in that franchise when it comes to the draft. Hell, they could draft 2 QB's in the top 4 and still pick the wrong ones

[K Train]

Way too much like Michael Vick; Can't read defenses, arm strength but lack of accuracy...nope. I've seen this type of QB before and I don't want anything to do with those type of QB's. Also, QB's that have that type of running skill for the most part never develop the skill set needed to be a good to great NFL QB. The running thing is too heavily ingrained in their DNA in that they always think their legs can bail them out of any difficulty.

Cant and doesnt have to are very different things.

Also, tendency to run isnt a DNA trait...if he wants to be a good QB he will have to be more like Cam Newton or Russell Wilson as a runner and less like Michael Vick. Coaching is everything in that regard. Again, its a time commit but hes one incredible athlete and weve seen QBs be successful at position transitions before, which isnt something to rule out for him either.

[Eddie Spaghetti]

would be interested to hear ktrains and shawns thoughts on josh allen and where he might land

i know he didnt have a great year, but looks to have all of the tools

[K Train]

would be interested to hear ktrains and shawns thoughts on josh allen and where he might land

i know he didnt have a great year, but looks to have all of the tools

Allen is going to naturally draw Roethlisberger and Wentz comparisons as an athlete for his size, strength, and ability to extend plays.

Unfortunately his accuracy is atrocious, he struggles with decision making...id compare him more to Hackenberg or Mettenberger in that they definitely look the part but they seemed to lack "it" throughout their careers. Allen was dazzling in his bowl game, though...I am not dooming his career by any means, but hes going to go higher than he should based on his tangible skill set and teams looking for a gem. Not unheard of to see a guy be a better pro than collegiate player, especially when playing for a smaller school like wyoming but i just dont know about him yet

[Steel Maniac]

Cant and doesnt have to are very different things.

Also, tendency to run isnt a DNA trait...if he wants to be a good QB he will have to be more like Cam Newton or Russell Wilson as a runner and less like Michael Vick. Coaching is everything in that regard. Again, its a time commit but hes one incredible athlete and weve seen QBs be successful at position transitions before, which isnt something to rule out for him either.

They are different but the risk is too high. The safe way is to get a QB that isn't that great a runner and who is more a traditional pocket passer. Too many ( in the 90% range) running QB's don't pan out. Newton & Russell and Young are 3 out of a million who panned out. I would not invest in ANY running QB ever. Give me a guy who excels at passing the ball first and formost.

[Oviedo]

I could also see him hanging it up if we turn in a poor showing in the playoffs like we did last year. I hope that's not the case. We are legit SB contenders with him at QB through 2019

If we win, or even go to the Super Bowl, this year I don't see Ben retiring. He would like to have as many Super Bowl wins as Bradshaw so he is at the top of the records list

[fordfixer]

Allen is going to naturally draw Roethlisberger and Wentz comparisons as an athlete for his size, strength, and ability to extend plays.

Unfortunately his accuracy is atrocious, he struggles with decision making...id compare him more to Hackenberg or Mettenberger in that they definitely look the part but they seemed to lack "it" throughout their careers. Allen was dazzling in his bowl game, though...I am not dooming his career by any means, but hes going to go higher than he should based on his tangible skill set and teams looking for a gem. Not unheard of to see a guy be a better pro than collegiate player, especially when playing for a smaller school like wyoming but i just dont know about him yet

Rumors out here are that the Broncos are going to do what ever it takes to get Allen

[Starlifter]

Ummm... don't you mean pick 32?

Lol, poor choice of words. Yes, I meant 31 selections will have been made already. Go Steelers!

[K Train]

Rumors out here are that the Broncos are going to do what ever it takes to get Allen

Which is kinda funny considering because i could easily see him being a lot like Osweiler and Lynch lol

[RuthlessBurgher]

Rumors out here are that the Broncos are going to do what ever it takes to get Allen

I figured that Denver would be a team that would pursue a veteran FA QB option such as Cousins. They tend to go that route with guys like Peyton Manning and Jake Plummer.

[WB Tarleton]

His numbers look very similar. Would be hard to make the case that they are not of the same caliber... based on the #s.

With less weapons than Ben.