The Too Early 2018 QB talk

[Shawn]

And I'm not seeing what everyone else is seeing in Mayfield. The whole intoxication, fleeing police thing really puts up my red flags. Yes, he is a great college talent with some shaky mechanics. He makes it work at the college level. He has a rep for being a "spoiled brat". I mean he may mature like Ben did, or he may drink himself out of the league. For a first round pick? Not sure he is worth the risk. He is truly a boom bust pick with some upside if he matures and gets a great QB coach who can work on the footwork. And his arm is slightly above average. He isn't going to break any hands with his fastball.

[feltdizz]

And I'm not seeing what everyone else is seeing in Mayfield. The whole intoxication, fleeing police thing really puts up my red flags. Yes, he is a great college talent with some shaky mechanics. He makes it work at the college level. He has a rep for being a "spoiled brat". I mean he may mature like Ben did, or he may drink himself out of the league. For a first round pick? Not sure he is worth the risk. He is truly a boom bust pick with some upside if he matures and gets a great QB coach who can work on the footwork. And his arm is slightly above average. He isn't going to break any hands with his fastball.

If Joe Mixon can turn it around..

[Ernie]

If the Steelers win the SB, this is Ben's last season. I believe that.

I could also see him hanging it up if we turn in a poor showing in the playoffs like we did last year. I hope that's not the case. We are legit SB contenders with him at QB through 2019

[feltdizz]

I could also see him hanging it up if we turn in a poor showing in the playoffs like we did last year. I hope that's not the case. We are legit SB contenders with him at QB through 2019

lol, of course. You always see the negative. lol...

but I doubt he would hang it up if we got knocked out early. That would motivate him to come back IMO.

[Ernie]

lol, of course. You always see the negative. lol...

but I doubt he would hang it up if we got knocked out early. That would motivate him to come back IMO.

Like I said, I hope that's not the case.

Its a known fact at this point that he strongly considered it after last year's AFCC.

[The Man of Steel]

but here is the thing. I don't want a 5,000 yard passer. I don't think we need a 5,000 yard passer. If we have one more than likely it's because we are getting blown out in games. I'm not big on stats either. I'm more game tape and decision making in the clutch. I've seen enough to know for the money I think Cousins is a bad idea.

I think with the weapons we have we need a ball control type QB. I'm no longer a Landry Jones fan tho.. I really think Dobbs is our guy moving forward until we get a legit franchise QB.

Again, I’m projecting no Bell and no Ben next season so on opening day you’d have James Connor and either Dobbs, Jones, or some rookie starting in your backfield. You really think any of those 3 guys are gonna move our prolific offense up and down the field for 4 quarters?

[Slapstick]

Again, I’m projecting no Bell and no Ben next season so on opening day you’d have James Connor and either Dobbs, Jones, or some rookie starting in your backfield. You really think any of those 3 guys are gonna move our prolific offense up and down the field for 4 quarters?

Bell and Ben are the prolific offense...

[K Train]

And I'm not seeing what everyone else is seeing in Mayfield. The whole intoxication, fleeing police thing really puts up my red flags. Yes, he is a great college talent with some shaky mechanics. He makes it work at the college level. He has a rep for being a "spoiled brat". I mean he may mature like Ben did, or he may drink himself out of the league. For a first round pick? Not sure he is worth the risk. He is truly a boom bust pick with some upside if he matures and gets a great QB coach who can work on the footwork. And his arm is slightly above average. He isn't going to break any hands with his fastball.

Fleeing police just tells me hes confident in his wheels....FIRST DOWN

[K Train]

someone said Darnold is the white Jameis Winston. LOL.

His decision making king is head scratching at times.

Not a bad comparison

[RuthlessBurgher]

And I'm not seeing what everyone else is seeing in Mayfield. The whole intoxication, fleeing police thing really puts up my red flags. Yes, he is a great college talent with some shaky mechanics. He makes it work at the college level. He has a rep for being a "spoiled brat". I mean he may mature like Ben did, or he may drink himself out of the league. For a first round pick? Not sure he is worth the risk. He is truly a boom bust pick with some upside if he matures and gets a great QB coach who can work on the footwork. And his arm is slightly above average. He isn't going to break any hands with his fastball.

If we drafted him, he could spend time at the bar with Todd Haley working on mechanics and footwork.

[K Train]

Not in love with any of these 3 guys. Lamar is ok but his passing skills aren’t too hot.

Baker can ball, a little small tho but I don’t think he is a Johnny football. Just a trash talker.

I’m not there yet so I can’t talk about my picks until after the season.

In regards to Jacksons passing skills...he has underrated arm strength (he can throw it a mile) and his touch isnt really all that bad...at least not michael vick bad (another guy who could throw endzone to endzone). One thing is the ENTIRE offense went through Lamar and he had no defensive support. The offense they run is tough to evaluate because defenses are completely focused on Lamar and the route tree seems to be similar to what we saw Clemson have with Watkins and Bryant....Watkins would be read one and then bryant would try to get open 25 yards down the field...an absolute nightmare to evaluate. Jackson probably takes time at QB to develop, but theres no doubt hes an NFL athlete at some position

[Slapstick]

In regards to Jacksons passing skills...he has underrated arm strength (he can throw it a mile) and his touch isnt really all that bad...at least not michael vick bad (another guy who could throw endzone to endzone). One thing is the ENTIRE offense went through Lamar and he had no defensive support. The offense they run is tough to evaluate because defenses are completely focused on Lamar and the route tree seems to be similar to what we saw Clemson have with Watkins and Bryant....Watkins would be read one and then bryant would try to get open 25 yards down the field...an absolute nightmare to evaluate. Jackson probably takes time at QB to develop, but theres no doubt hes an NFL athlete at some position

And there would be the challenge...reading defenses and knowing your progressions on any given play...not that he isn’t capable, he just hasn’t necessarily had to do it before...he could be a Deshaun Watson or a Dak Prescott...or not...

[Ernie]

If we drafted him, he could spend time at the bar with Todd Haley working on mechanics and footwork.

as well as how to "Take a fall" lol.. #hipflexor

[RuthlessBurgher]

We now know that Cleveland will be picking 1st and 4th (from Houston) in the draft, Cincy will be picking 12th, and Baltimore will be picking 16th.

Cleveland also owns their own second round pick plus Houston and Philly's second round picks as well.

With a competent front office led by John Dorsey (as opposed to that baseball analytics dude who was played by Jonah Hill in Moneyball), they could potentially do some damage.

They have their choice of QB's at the top of the draft (whoever ends up grading out the highest out of Darnold, Rosen, Allen, etc.) and could come back with Saquon Barkley at #4 (after seeing the impact that a dynamic early RB pick like Zeke Elliott or Leonard Fournette had in Dallas and Jacksonville had as rookies).

They already have a strong OL if Joe Thomas comes back healthy (their interior line featuring Bitonio, Tretter, and Zeitler is solid), plus a promising young TE in Njoku, Josh Gordon looked good in his return, and if fellow Baylor wideout Corey Coleman develops, maybe they'll have something there (maybe they can use some of their plentiful free agent dollars to lure Terrelle Pryor back since he was a much better player in Hue Jackson's system than Jay Gruden's).

On defense, they have some guys that you can build around like Myles Garrett, Danny Shelton, Emmanuel Ogbah, Jamie Collins, Joe Schobert, Christian Kirksey, Jabrill Peppers, etc. They could potentially use their four picks on day two of the draft to supplement the D if they use those top 2 picks on potential franchise QB and RB.

I don't think it will take very long for Cleveland to surpass Cincy in our division if they draft well this year and add some quality pieces in free agency.

[Steel Maniac]

In regards to Jacksons passing skills...he has underrated arm strength (he can throw it a mile) and his touch isnt really all that bad...at least not michael vick bad (another guy who could throw endzone to endzone). One thing is the ENTIRE offense went through Lamar and he had no defensive support. The offense they run is tough to evaluate because defenses are completely focused on Lamar and the route tree seems to be similar to what we saw Clemson have with Watkins and Bryant....Watkins would be read one and then bryant would try to get open 25 yards down the field...an absolute nightmare to evaluate. Jackson probably takes time at QB to develop, but theres no doubt hes an NFL athlete at some position

Way too much like Michael Vick; Can't read defenses, arm strength but lack of accuracy...nope. I've seen this type of QB before and I don't want anything to do with those type of QB's. Also, QB's that have that type of running skill for the most part never develop the skill set needed to be a good to great NFL QB. The running thing is too heavily ingrained in their DNA in that they always think their legs can bail them out of any difficulty.