The Too Early 2018 QB talk

[Steel Maniac]

This statement needs to be carved into granite somewhere. Awesome. Simply awesome.

Ruth...

I'm not worried about him. LOL

All of a sudden he started putting in disqualifier QB's. There have only been two running QB's that you can say won. Wilson and Young.

And Young learned to sit down in the pocket and check down to the third option; which is what pocket QB's do. And Wilson didn't run nearly as much as he's ran the last two years.

Kapernicks, RG3, a young Randall Cunningham, Kordell Stewart, Michael Vick, Tim Tebow etc.etc. etc. These are running QB's who didn't win jack. Lamar Jackson falls into this category and I don't want to have anything to do with him. A waste a time.

A quarterbacks first and foremost priority is to...be able to pass!! To pass accurately in a 20-25 yard range and complete a high percentage. If you can't do those things as a QB, then you don't need to be in the NFL.

Both ancient and recent history have proven that.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

Ruth...

I'm not worried about him. LOL

All of a sudden he started putting in disqualifier QB's. There have only been two running QB's that you can say won. Wilson and Young.

And Young learned to sit down in the pocket and check down to the third option; which is what pocket QB's do. And Wilson didn't run nearly as much as he's ran the last two years.

Kapernicks, RG3, a young Randall Cunningham, Kordell Stewart, Michael Vick, Tim Tebow etc.etc. etc. These are running QB's who didn't win jack. Lamar Jackson falls into this category and I don't want to have anything to do with him. A waste a time.

A quarterbacks first and foremost priority is to...be able to pass!! To pass accurately in a 20-25 yard range and complete a high percentage. If you can't do those things as a QB, then you don't need to be in the NFL.

Both ancient and recent history have proven that.

Dude, you presume a runner can't be a good passer. I think some clarification needs to be made...

Last 8-10 years, Aaron Rodgers usually runs for 300-400 a year... in 2016, he ran for MORE than Russell Wilson (both played 16 games). If you include Steve Young, dude's not much different. You simply don't include him because he can actually pass. There are others in that category (Rodger "the dodger" Staubach...?)

I'm just sayin...

I go back to there is "passing ability" and running ability. Just because you are good at one does not mean you are bad at the other.

IMO, the requirement for a QB to win a SB is to be a good passer who can read defenses. Running ability is the gravy if they have it, but, isn't required.

[flippy]

Dude, you presume a runner can't be a good passer. I think some clarification needs to be made...

Last 8-10 years, Aaron Rodgers usually runs for 300-400 a year... in 2016, he ran for MORE than Russell Wilson (both played 16 games). If you include Steve Young, dude's not much different. You simply don't include him because he can actually pass. There are others in that category (Rodger "the dodger" Staubach...?)

I'm just sayin...

I go back to there is "passing ability" and running ability. Just because you are good at one does not mean you are bad at the other.

IMO, the requirement for a QB to win a SB is to be a good passer who can read defenses. Running ability is the gravy if they have it, but, isn't required.

I always thought of Bradshaw as a running QB that could run when he needed to. I don't remember his numbers, but he probably ran as much as some of these other guys you mention.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

I always thought of Bradshaw as a running QB that could run when he needed to. I don't remember his numbers, but he probably ran as much as some of these other guys you mention.

AGREED! I didn't want to throw him out there because I didn't want to hear all the backlash - but, I've got your back on this one, Flip

[NorthCoast]

I don't think its Cam's football ability that peolpe don't like, I think it's Cam the person or his personality that turns many people off (me included). If, however, you watch him play, you know that he is a top notch QB in this league and has the added benefit of being a good athlete. I like the quarterback, not a fan of the persona.

Pappy

Add to that, doesn't always come across as a leader...

[Slapstick]

AGREED! I didn't want to throw him out there because I didn't want to hear all the backlash - but, I've got your back on this one, Flip

Terry played for 13 seasons (technically 14, but only appeared in one game in season 14)
He finished with 2250+ rushing yards and scored 32 rushing TDs....

[NorthCoast]

Terry played for 13 seasons (technically 14, but only appeared in one game in season 14)
He finished with 2250+ rushing yards and scored 32 rushing TDs....

According to profootballreference that's about 13 yds per game, puts him at 18th highest QB rushing. In my book, that few yds/gm doesn't smack of a 'running QB'.... maybe for the era?

[Slapstick]

According to profootballreference that's about 13 yds per game, puts him at 18th highest QB rushing. In my book, that few yds/gm doesn't smack of a 'running QB'.... maybe for the era?

Well, TB has almost twice as many rushing yards as Ben and twice as many rushing TDs...I don’t know that makes him a so-called “running QB”....

[Shoe]

Dude, you presume a runner can't be a good passer. I think some clarification needs to be made...

Last 8-10 years, Aaron Rodgers usually runs for 300-400 a year... in 2016, he ran for MORE than Russell Wilson (both played 16 games). If you include Steve Young, dude's not much different. You simply don't include him because he can actually pass. There are others in that category (Rodger "the dodger" Staubach...?)

I'm just sayin...

I go back to there is "passing ability" and running ability. Just because you are good at one does not mean you are bad at the other.

IMO, the requirement for a QB to win a SB is to be a good passer who can read defenses. Running ability is the gravy if they have it, but, isn't required.

Steve Young is a great example of a running QB turned "successful." But these are few and far between. Look at Cam Newton OTOH, for an example of one who never pans out. (Yes, he's gotten to the SB.)

Rich Gannon is another example, but in both cases, these guys tended to flounder for years, until they "found the light" so to speak. To me, this says that you prefer to pick up one of these guys as they age and mature, and their athleticism dwindles.

[bostonsteeler]

You guys are all likely working with biased samples.

Consider this:
a) How many "passing" QBs were drafted in the past 40 years? What fraction of them panned out?
b) How many "running" QBs were drafted in the same time? What fraction of them panned out?

I don't have the stats at my disposal, but I'm willing to take a bet that the success rate for both is roughly the same to within statistical significance -- if anything I expect its higher for QBs who can run.

It doesn't make sense to focus on the high-profile ones only. For every Jamarcus Russell out there, there are several Eric Crouchs..

[bostonsteeler]

I don't think its Cam's football ability that peolpe don't like, I think it's Cam the person or his personality that turns many people off (me included). If, however, you watch him play, you know that he is a top notch QB in this league and has the added benefit of being a good athlete. I like the quarterback, not a fan of the persona.

Pappy

What does his personality have to do with his game ability? Ben is one of the most hated people in the league, outside of Pittsburgh (and by many in Pitt too). Ward was despised. The rubbish you hear about Deebo has to be heard to be believed. I wouldn't swap them for anything in the world.

[bostonsteeler]

While at it -- another pet peeve. I never understood the hate for Kordell either. He was our starting QB for 6 years. We went to the playoffs three times, and to the AFC championship game twice. In '97 we were one ill-advised EZ pick from going to the SB (which we would likely have won, had we made it). In '01 the loss was not on Kordell. It was the peak of the Patriots double-star act; and yet we were one Troy Edwards mistake from closing out -- the nut stepped out of bounds on a punt, and the repeat punt return went for a TD.

In 96 and 97 he was stellar. For parts of 01 he was superman.

So, while I concede that he was a disappointment, given his talent, why the hate?

[feltdizz]

You know why Bostonsteeler.

I never understood it as well. Folks acted like Kordell was a bum who never made the playoffs.

Then you had the gay rumors on top of that. This town really has a weird love/hate relationship with our QB's. We love to hate them. lol

edit: I just looked up Kordell's stats.. ok, I can see why. LMAO. His stats on paper were terrible, especially in the playoffs. 1TD and 4 INT's. We still came close to a SB but for some reason we decided to pass at the GL after our running game got us down their vs Denver. I still think if it wasn't the end of the quarter before that pass play we would have ran the ball. We got cute.

[Slapstick]

Kordell was AFC offensive player of the year...

[RuthlessBurgher]

Look at Cam Newton OTOH, for an example of one who never pans out. (Yes, he's gotten to the SB.)

Dude was also league MVP during that Super Bowl season, leading his team to a 15-1 record (dude threw for 3837 yards with 35 TD and 10 INT that year, plus another 636 yards on the ground with 10 more TDs). On what freaking planet is that a guy who never pans out? Wow...