"It's scary how good Ben can be"

[NJ-STEELER]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

Defense wins championships. You saw what happen when our defense couldn't lock down the packers after our offense spotted them 14 points. Our offense led by Ben wasn't good enough to outscore the packers. Result-loss in XLV.

wow

out offense wasnt as good as the packers? really? how many games did you watch to come up with that? thats some fascinating analysis

someone get this guy a gig on a network

[Crash]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

Peyton has a losing record in the playoffs because he makes them every year.

Oh boy. I hate to do this, I really do.

The Colts made the playoffs 5 times in Peyton's first 7 seasons:

Peyton's playoff record at the time?

Three wins, five losses.

Ben Roethlisberger has also made the playoffs five times in his first seven seasons just like Peyton Manning.

Ben's playoff record?

10 wins, three losses.

Next excuse please.

[feltdizz]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

"I was tired of being booed," Roethlisberger said, "I was tired of being embarrassed on offense. I told the guys that. I said, 'There's no need for it.' "

One game? Baltimore 2008, correct?

[quote:5qrlpeuf]e saw what happens when Ben puts up crazy stats and the D doesn't show up. We miss the playoffs and struggle to beat bad teams.

Give back points have been a problem for 4 years with this defense.

And that's why they missed the 2009 playoffs.

The game at Baltimore in 2009 gave you guys exactly what you want: Smashmouth football, and no pass happy Ben.

And what happened? Dennis Dixon scored a TD, and the defense gave up a tying field goal when ONE STOP, would have won the game.

Just like XLIII. We score a TD and go up 10-0, the defense gets on the field for the SECOND TIME ALL DAY, and gives up a TD.

I guess they were gassed after five plays on the first series.[/quote:5qrlpeuf]

correct.. but it's not the only time Ben has said the D has carried the team. From 2004 to 2008 the D has been incredible.

The second half of SB XL was the first time we started to see the D start to show cracks in the secondary.

We also shut down the run at an amazing rate.. I don't see how anyone can say the D hasn't been awesome in the Ben era outside of 2009.

[Crash]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

From 2004 to 2008 the D has been incredible.

And for the most part Roethlisberger and his offense has played well also.

You guys act like Ben's offense scores three points a week.

Like Bradshaw, you will only appreciate how good he is once he's not here anymore.

[feltdizz]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

Peyton has a losing record in the playoffs because he makes them every year.

Oh boy. I hate to do this, I really do.

The Colts made the playoffs 5 times in Peyton's first 7 seasons:

Peyton's playoff record at the time?

Three wins, five losses.

Ben Roethlisberger has also made the playoffs five times in his first seven seasons just like Peyton Manning.

Ben's playoff record?

10 wins, three losses.

Next excuse please.

Peyton was the first piece of the Colts puzzle...

Ben was the last piece needed in the Steeler puzzle...

no excuses, just facts.... if you think the talent level on the Colts the first 5 years was anywhere close to the Steelers you are on dust.

[Crash]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

Peyton was the first piece of the Colts puzzle...

Ben was the last piece needed in the Steeler puzzle...

You keep digging a bigger hole.

The Steelers missed the playoffs 4 times in the previous 6 years before Ben.

Just like the Colts prior to Manning.

So now I'll hear from one of you idiots: "But Crash, the Steelers made the playoffs in 2 of the 3 seasons prior to Ben, that's a better barometer".

Well guess what? So did the Indianapolis Colts before Manning.

The same exact situation for both teams.

Next?

[feltdizz]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

From 2004 to 2008 the D has been incredible.

And for the most part Roethlisberger and his offense has played well also.

You guys act like Ben's offense scores three points a week.

Like Bradshaw, you will only appreciate how good he is once he's not here anymore.

You think anyone who says Ben can get better and points out other QB's who have skill sets we think Ben could use in his arsenal has some lack of appreciation for Ben.

Ask anyone on here if they thought Ben was going to pull out the win in the SB and I bet you 99% of us would agree. I was confident he would pull it off.

You said Ben was a 6 in the SB. Why can't we discuss the other 4 points that could make him a 10?

I appreciate everything Ben has done... he exceeded my expectations and if he never made it to another SB he is a HOFer IMO.

But that doesn't mean I won't pick his game apart... I don't care who the QB is, if he lacks certain skill sets I think would improve our team I'll speak on them.

I'm a Steeler fan from Pittsburgh... It's like family... we should be able to talk about any Steeler in a positive or negative light to each other without someone questioning our love for the player or team.

[Crash]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

But that doesn't mean I won't pick his game apart

But unlike ME, you don't pick anyone else apart.

You make every excuse under the sun for every QB not named Ben Roethlisberger.

You form your opinion based on what you read.

I'll watch the games and follow the league.

You guys don't know anything. If you did you would see that when we DO play to Ben's strength, he's pretty much unstoppable.

But when we waste time appeasing morons who insist on power formations and 1975 football? We are a predictable, unproductive mess.

[NJ-STEELER]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

how good would our offense be if we didnt give away/let go receivers we drafted inn the first round and replace them with 3rd rounders and sub par talent (EL/wilson)

[Crash]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

how good would our offense be if we didnt give away/let go receivers we drafted inn the first round and replace them with 3rd rounders and sub par talent (EL/wilson)

How much better would we be if Ben had STABILITY at wideout like the great Peyton did? Peyton had Harrison/Wayne at WR for seven of 8 years from 2001-2008.

Ben, in seven years to start his career, has had FIVE DIFFERENT #1-#2 combos starting for him.

Which makes his Joe Montana-like production all the more remarkable.

[feltdizz]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

Peyton was the first piece of the Colts puzzle...

Ben was the last piece needed in the Steeler puzzle...

You keep digging a bigger hole.

The Steelers missed the playoffs 4 times in the previous 6 years before Ben.

Just like the Colts prior to Manning.

So now I'll hear from one of you idiots: "But Crash, the Steelers made the playoffs in 2 of the 3 seasons prior to Ben, that's a better barometer".

Well guess what? So did the Indianapolis Colts before Manning.

The same exact situation for both teams.

Next?

LOL... the talent on those 2 rosters the first year are night and day. We had 3 All Pro's and 6 pro bowlers on our 2004 team. Just to name a few we had:

A.Smith, Troy, Deshea, Porter, Farrior, Von Olhoffe, Foote
Hines, Plex, Hartings, Faneca Kreider, Bettis....

Colts had one... Marshall Faulk, Marvin Harrison... and I can't even list a defender worth mentioning besides Tyrone Poole.

We also got Lebeau back in 2004.It's funny how you never acknowledge Lebeau's return in 2004. I wonder why?

[feltdizz]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

how good would our offense be if we didnt give away/let go receivers we drafted inn the first round and replace them with 3rd rounders and sub par talent (EL/wilson)

It would be more consistent and more productive.

[Crash]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

LOL... the talent on those 2 rosters the first year are night and day.

And yet the Steelers, like the supposedly inferior talented Colts with Manning also missed the playoffs in 4 of 6 seasons prior to Ben.

[BURGH86STEEL]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

how good would our offense be if we didnt give away/let go receivers we drafted inn the first round and replace them with 3rd rounders and sub par talent (EL/wilson)

That would depend on how well Ben played. It does not matter what weapons are placed on an offense if the QB can't or does not deliver the ball. Plenty of offensive weapons struggle do to poor or inconsistent QB play. I am of the opinion that the Steelers offense falls short of some others around the league because of the lack of consistency from the QB position. That does not mean Ben is a bad player. Nor does it mean he needs to be traded. There are areas of Ben's game that I feel he needs to improve to help take this offense to a top 5 level.

[feltdizz]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

But that doesn't mean I won't pick his game apart

But unlike ME, you don't pick anyone else apart.

You make every excuse under the sun for every QB not named Ben Roethlisberger.

You form your opinion based on what you read.

I'll watch the games and follow the league.

You guys don't know anything. If you did you would see that when we DO play to Ben's strength, he's pretty much unstoppable.

But when we waste time appeasing morons who insist on power formations and 1975 football? We are a predictable, unproductive mess.

homerism at it's best.

I don't make excuses for other QB's... you just rip every other QB to prove Ben is the best...

I think Ben is top 5 but he isn't the best QB in the NFL.

I have always said if I had one game to win I take Ben. Ben is a winner... but since i don't slob him all day you think I hate him.

I've said countless times Peyton can't win the big games, gets all the calls and never beat Florida... but I'm not going to lie to myself and say he choked in the Jets playoff game when he put his team up and ST's and the D gave it right back. That isn't making excuses it's being honest about how the end of the game played out.