"It's scary how good Ben can be"

[Crash]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

I never see these QB's holding the ball like Ben does

I didn't see Peyton Manning making quick decisions when we blitzed him in the playoffs, did you? He took what? Two sacks on that drive before Bettis' fumble? Peyton also took a sack against the Chargers on his own goal line (again) in the playoffs needing 3 yards to advance. Where was the quick decisions from him?

Rex Ryan's Jets are 3-2 vs. Brady. Why? They don't fear him, and they go after him.

LeBeau's too chickensh*t to even try.

[feltdizz]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

What happened to Tom brady against Jets?? I guess ball did not come out pretty quickly. What about Rivers who can't take a team to playoff inspite of having talent across the board. Matt Ryan could not score a thing against the same packers defense on their home turf.

What happened to Ben against the Pats?

I don't understand the logic... you pull out one loss and say what happened? No one is saying every game by Brees, Brady, Manning and Ben is perfection.

I don't think anyone is even arguing wins vs. losses. They are talking about consistent production at the QB position.

[Crash]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

I don't think anyone is even arguing wins vs. losses. They are talking about consistent production at the QB position.

Career home/road splits for Ben.

[url="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RoetBe00/splits/"]http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... 00/splits/[/url]

Where's the inconsistency?

Just because you guys say it, doesn't make it true.

[grotonsteel]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

What happened to Tom brady against Jets?? I guess ball did not come out pretty quickly. What about Rivers who can't take a team to playoff inspite of having talent across the board. Matt Ryan could not score a thing against the same packers defense on their home turf.

What happened to Ben against the Pats?

He did a Philip Rivers in that game. As per you,blockhead and williar Ben was a Consistent performer since he put 26 points/350+ yards passing in that game. So as per your logic it is a good CONSISTENT performance ala Rivers, manning.


I don't understand the logic... you pull out one loss and say what happened? No one is saying every game by Brees, Brady, Manning and Ben is perfection.


But you don't mind putting one SB loss and calling out Ben being inconsistent. You are telling me Ben did not perform better than Manning and Brees last season??????? You got to be kidding me.

Again look at the stats provided by Crash.


I don't think anyone is even arguing wins vs. losses. They are talking about consistent production at the QB position.

To me a QB who can consistently make plays so that his team can win is a consistent QB. Just by throwing slants or releasing the ball quickly does not make a consistent QB.
Scoring points is not the only criteria for consistency. Its always about how you score and when you score. Collecting garbage TDs or running score don't make anyone a consistent QB.

[ScoreKeeper]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

FF killed the brains of many. All they see are stats. All they look at are box scores. There is not a one of these guys posting garbage that watch other teams and could label themselves "football" fans. True football fans watch other teams, not just stat lines and box scores.

I have found it's not even worth arguing with them.

[Crash]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

Here's the great Matty Ice's home/road splits.

[url="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RyanMa00/splits/"]http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... 00/splits/[/url]

THAT IS AN INCONSISTENT QB PEOPLE!

[grotonsteel]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

FF killed the brains of many. All they see are stats. All they look at are box scores. There is not a one of these guys posting garbage that watch other teams and could label themselves "football" fans. True football fans watch other teams, not just stat lines and box scores.

I have found it's not even worth arguing with them.

Unfortunately that is so true.

People go on yahoo box score and talk about consistency

[Blockhead]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

What happened to Ben against the Pats?

He did a Philip Rivers in that game.

Exactly. Ben was awful and did little to nothing until the second half when the Pats went into prevent and save the lead mode. The same things Crash lists as reasons he wants LeBeau gone.

To me, it's not about stats. It's about rhythm of the offense and consistentcy. We have no rhythm and many games that should be blow outs are left up to late drives to consistently win or the defense making a gamechanging play to win.

Anyone who calls our offense consistent or says it has rhythm doesn't watch the games. Period.

[grotonsteel]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

What happened to Ben against the Pats?

He did a Philip Rivers in that game.

Exactly. Ben was awful and did little to nothing until the second half when the Pats went into prevent and save the lead mode. The same things Crash lists as reasons he wants LeBeau gone.

To me, it's not about stats. It's about rhythm of the offense and consistentcy. We have no rhythm and many games that should be blow outs are left up to late drives to consistently win or the defense making a gamechanging play to win.

Anyone who calls our offense consistent or says it has rhythm doesn't watch the games. Period.

OMG mark this thread.....You finally confessed Rivers is awful......

[ScoreKeeper]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

What happened to Ben against the Pats?

He did a Philip Rivers in that game.

Exactly. Ben was awful and did little to nothing until the second half when the Pats went into prevent and save the lead mode. The same things Crash lists as reasons he wants LeBeau gone.

To me, it's not about stats. It's about rhythm of the offense and consistentcy. We have no rhythm and many games that should be blow outs are left up to late drives to consistently win or the defense making a gamechanging play to win.

Anyone who calls our offense consistent or says it has rhythm doesn't watch the games. Period.

OMG mark this thread.....You finally confessed Rivers is awful......

That he did.

But he is too stupid to know it and that is the best part.

[Oviedo]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

FF killed the brains of many. All they see are stats. All they look at are box scores. There is not a one of these guys posting garbage that watch other teams and could label themselves "football" fans. True football fans watch other teams, not just stat lines and box scores.

I have found it's not even worth arguing with them.

Unfortunately that is so true.

People go on yahoo box score and talk about consistency

FF has destroyed people's ability to evaluate players and football in a lmore systematic concept. It has become all about the numbers which have no context and there is so much they do not see. Example: Our defense is rated #1 so no problems.

[Blockhead]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

OMG mark this thread.....You finally confessed Rivers is awful......

Glad you feel that way. I have less than 30 posts on this site but my opinion of Rivers is he's a better distributor of the ball than Ben. He's better at being a QB but he isn't the athlete Ben is.

As the title of this thread says, Ben could be scary good. He isn't.

[ScoreKeeper]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

OMG mark this thread.....You finally confessed Rivers is awful......

Glad you feel that way. I have less than 30 posts on this site but my opinion of Rivers is he's a better distributor of the ball than Ben. He's better at being a QB but he isn't the athlete Ben is.

As the title of this thread says, Ben could be scary good. He isn't.

The title of this thread should be:

43/irongut is about to show his level of stupidity.

[feltdizz]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

What happened to Tom brady against Jets?? I guess ball did not come out pretty quickly. What about Rivers who can't take a team to playoff inspite of having talent across the board. Matt Ryan could not score a thing against the same packers defense on their home turf.

What happened to Ben against the Pats?

He did a Philip Rivers in that game. As per you,blockhead and williar Ben was a Consistent performer since he put 26 points/350+ yards passing in that game. So as per your logic it is a good CONSISTENT performance ala Rivers, manning.


I don't understand the logic... you pull out one loss and say what happened? No one is saying every game by Brees, Brady, Manning and Ben is perfection.


But you don't mind putting one SB loss and calling out Ben being inconsistent. You are telling me Ben did not perform better than Manning and Brees last season??????? You got to be kidding me.

Again look at the stats provided by Crash.


I don't think anyone is even arguing wins vs. losses. They are talking about consistent production at the QB position.

To me a QB who can consistently make plays so that his team can win is a consistent QB. Just by throwing slants or releasing the ball quickly does not make a consistent QB.
Scoring points is not the only criteria for consistency. Its always about how you score and when you score. Collecting garbage TDs or running score don't make anyone a consistent QB.

1st: my point for asking about the Pats game was just to show that any QB can have a bad game. I don't understand how people use one game to prove Brees, Rivers, Brady.. etc. aren't good/elite. I'm not saying Rivers is elite... he has the skills but mentally he is weak.

2nd: I never used this SB loss as proof of anything. Ben had a horrible SBXL but it doesn't erase his playoff run in 2005. One game or one throw doesn't define a QB.

3rd: I agree.. points don't equal success at the QB position. Fantasy stats aren't proof either. I think film is the best indicator and when I watch Ben, Manning, Brees and Brady I don't see Ben as being the best of the bunch at QB. He is the best football player and the best athlete but he isn't the best QB.

Our D gets blame but those guys keep us in a ton of games. More then most teams...

[Crash]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

I didn't see Peyton Manning making quick decisions when we blitzed him in the playoffs, did you? He took what? Two sacks on that drive before Bettis' fumble? Peyton also took a sack against the Chargers on his own goal line (again) in the playoffs needing 3 yards to advance. Where was the quick decisions from him?

Anyone? Anyone?