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  • grotonsteel
    Hall of Famer
    • Jul 2008
    • 2810

    Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

    Originally posted by Oviedo
    Originally posted by grotonsteel
    Originally posted by ScoreKeeper
    FF killed the brains of many. All they see are stats. All they look at are box scores. There is not a one of these guys posting garbage that watch other teams and could label themselves "football" fans. True football fans watch other teams, not just stat lines and box scores.

    I have found it's not even worth arguing with them.
    Unfortunately that is so true.

    People go on yahoo box score and talk about consistency
    FF has destroyed people's ability to evaluate players and football in a lmore systematic concept. It has become all about the numbers which have no context and there is so much they do not see. Example: Our defense is rated #1 so no problems.

    Steelers Draft 2015
    Rd 1: Devante Parker - WR/ Kevin Johnson - CB
    Rd 2: Danielle Hunter -OLB
    Rd 3: Steven Nelson - CB
    Rd 4: Derron Smith - S
    Rd 5: Henry Anderson - DE
    Rd 6: Wes Saxton - TE
    Rd 7: Deon Simon - DT

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    • Crash
      Legend
      • Apr 2009
      • 5008

      Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

      Our D gets blame but those guys keep us in a ton of games.
      Not as many as you think.

      Certainly not in the Ben era.

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      • grotonsteel
        Hall of Famer
        • Jul 2008
        • 2810

        Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

        Originally posted by Blockhead
        Originally posted by grotonsteel
        OMG mark this thread.....You finally confessed Rivers is awful......
        Glad you feel that way. I have less than 30 posts on this site but my opinion of Rivers is he's a better distributor of the ball than Ben. He's better at being a QB but he isn't the athlete Ben is.

        As the title of this thread says, Ben could be scary good. He isn't.
        "CAN BE" -- FUTURE...Article is talking about future....Ben is on the doorsteps of HOF right now and another SB appearance and he should be in Canton.
        Steelers Draft 2015
        Rd 1: Devante Parker - WR/ Kevin Johnson - CB
        Rd 2: Danielle Hunter -OLB
        Rd 3: Steven Nelson - CB
        Rd 4: Derron Smith - S
        Rd 5: Henry Anderson - DE
        Rd 6: Wes Saxton - TE
        Rd 7: Deon Simon - DT

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        • grotonsteel
          Hall of Famer
          • Jul 2008
          • 2810

          Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

          Originally posted by ScoreKeeper
          Originally posted by grotonsteel
          Originally posted by Blockhead
          Originally posted by grotonsteel
          Originally posted by feltdizz
          What happened to Ben against the Pats?
          He did a Philip Rivers in that game.
          Exactly. Ben was awful and did little to nothing until the second half when the Pats went into prevent and save the lead mode. The same things Crash lists as reasons he wants LeBeau gone.

          To me, it's not about stats. It's about rhythm of the offense and consistentcy. We have no rhythm and many games that should be blow outs are left up to late drives to consistently win or the defense making a gamechanging play to win.

          Anyone who calls our offense consistent or says it has rhythm doesn't watch the games. Period.

          OMG mark this thread.....You finally confessed Rivers is awful......
          That he did.

          But he is too stupid to know it and that is the best part.

          So true....
          Steelers Draft 2015
          Rd 1: Devante Parker - WR/ Kevin Johnson - CB
          Rd 2: Danielle Hunter -OLB
          Rd 3: Steven Nelson - CB
          Rd 4: Derron Smith - S
          Rd 5: Henry Anderson - DE
          Rd 6: Wes Saxton - TE
          Rd 7: Deon Simon - DT

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          • feltdizz
            Legend
            • May 2008
            • 27532

            Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

            Originally posted by Crash
            I didn't see Peyton Manning making quick decisions when we blitzed him in the playoffs, did you? He took what? Two sacks on that drive before Bettis' fumble? Peyton also took a sack against the Chargers on his own goal line (again) in the playoffs needing 3 yards to advance. Where was the quick decisions from him?
            Anyone? Anyone?
            3 plays out of 6000+

            You can't be serious...
            Steelers 27
            Rats 16

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            • Crash
              Legend
              • Apr 2009
              • 5008

              Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

              Originally posted by feltdizz
              Originally posted by Crash
              I didn't see Peyton Manning making quick decisions when we blitzed him in the playoffs, did you? He took what? Two sacks on that drive before Bettis' fumble? Peyton also took a sack against the Chargers on his own goal line (again) in the playoffs needing 3 yards to advance. Where was the quick decisions from him?
              Anyone? Anyone?
              3 plays out of 6000+

              You can't be serious...
              How about a 9-10 playoff record?

              I could care less when Peyton beats up scrubs. If people didn't give Peyton a free pass because Archie Manning played on bad teams they would see Peyton Manning for the UNDERACHIEVER he really is.

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              • grotonsteel
                Hall of Famer
                • Jul 2008
                • 2810

                Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

                Originally posted by Crash
                Originally posted by feltdizz
                Originally posted by Crash
                I didn't see Peyton Manning making quick decisions when we blitzed him in the playoffs, did you? He took what? Two sacks on that drive before Bettis' fumble? Peyton also took a sack against the Chargers on his own goal line (again) in the playoffs needing 3 yards to advance. Where was the quick decisions from him?
                Anyone? Anyone?
                3 plays out of 6000+

                You can't be serious...
                How about a 9-10 playoff record?

                I could care less when Peyton beats up scrubs. If people didn't give Peyton a free pass because Archie Manning played on bad teams they would see Peyton Manning for the UNDERACHIEVER he really is.

                I will agree with feltdizz about consistency regarding Peyton manning though. He consistently chokes in playoffs....
                Steelers Draft 2015
                Rd 1: Devante Parker - WR/ Kevin Johnson - CB
                Rd 2: Danielle Hunter -OLB
                Rd 3: Steven Nelson - CB
                Rd 4: Derron Smith - S
                Rd 5: Henry Anderson - DE
                Rd 6: Wes Saxton - TE
                Rd 7: Deon Simon - DT

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                • grotonsteel
                  Hall of Famer
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 2810

                  Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

                  Originally posted by feltdizz

                  1st: my point for asking about the Pats game was just to show that any QB can have a bad game. I don't understand how people use one game to prove Brees, Rivers, Brady.. etc. aren't good/elite. I'm not saying Rivers is elite... he has the skills but mentally he is weak.

                  Did anyone say Manning,Brady Rivers are not elite???But if you wanna put them in elite group and bash Ben for consistency and bring him down then obviously its case of dissecting each throw made by Ben whereas watching boxscore for other QBs.

                  Again do you believe did Manning, Brees or Rivers played better in regular season than Ben last season???


                  Steelers Draft 2015
                  Rd 1: Devante Parker - WR/ Kevin Johnson - CB
                  Rd 2: Danielle Hunter -OLB
                  Rd 3: Steven Nelson - CB
                  Rd 4: Derron Smith - S
                  Rd 5: Henry Anderson - DE
                  Rd 6: Wes Saxton - TE
                  Rd 7: Deon Simon - DT

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                  • Crash
                    Legend
                    • Apr 2009
                    • 5008

                    Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

                    They won't answer. They never do.

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                    • feltdizz
                      Legend
                      • May 2008
                      • 27532

                      Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

                      Originally posted by Crash
                      Our D gets blame but those guys keep us in a ton of games.
                      Not as many as you think.

                      Certainly not in the Ben era.
                      That is a flat out lie....

                      "I was tired of being booed," Roethlisberger said, "I was tired of being embarrassed on offense. I told the guys that. I said, 'There's no need for it.' "

                      Our D is responsible for over half the wins in the Ben era. This is the problem with guys like you.. you can't give anyone else on the team any credit. It's all Ben.

                      We saw what happens when Ben puts up crazy stats and the D doesn't show up. We miss the playoffs and struggle to beat bad teams.
                      Steelers 27
                      Rats 16

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                      • Crash
                        Legend
                        • Apr 2009
                        • 5008

                        Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

                        "I was tired of being booed," Roethlisberger said, "I was tired of being embarrassed on offense. I told the guys that. I said, 'There's no need for it.' "
                        One game? Baltimore 2008, correct?

                        e saw what happens when Ben puts up crazy stats and the D doesn't show up. We miss the playoffs and struggle to beat bad teams.
                        Give back points have been a problem for 4 years with this defense.

                        And that's why they missed the 2009 playoffs.

                        The game at Baltimore in 2009 gave you guys exactly what you want: Smashmouth football, and no pass happy Ben.

                        And what happened? Dennis Dixon scored a TD, and the defense gave up a tying field goal when ONE STOP, would have won the game.

                        Just like XLIII. We score a TD and go up 10-0, the defense gets on the field for the SECOND TIME ALL DAY, and gives up a TD.

                        I guess they were gassed after five plays on the first series.

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                        • williar
                          Pro Bowler
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 1170

                          Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

                          Defense wins championships. You saw what happen when our defense couldn't lock down the packers after our offense spotted them 14 points. Our offense led by Ben wasn't good enough to outscore the packers. Result-loss in XLV.

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                          • Crash
                            Legend
                            • Apr 2009
                            • 5008

                            Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

                            Defense wins championships. You saw what happen when our defense couldn't lock down the packers after our offense spotted them 14 points.
                            The defense gave up a long drive and a TD before Ben threw any picks. Second drive of the game (just like in Tampa).

                            I guess they were tired then too.

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                            • feltdizz
                              Legend
                              • May 2008
                              • 27532

                              Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

                              Originally posted by Crash
                              Originally posted by feltdizz
                              Originally posted by Crash
                              I didn't see Peyton Manning making quick decisions when we blitzed him in the playoffs, did you? He took what? Two sacks on that drive before Bettis' fumble? Peyton also took a sack against the Chargers on his own goal line (again) in the playoffs needing 3 yards to advance. Where was the quick decisions from him?
                              Anyone? Anyone?
                              3 plays out of 6000+

                              You can't be serious...
                              How about a 9-10 playoff record?

                              I could care less when Peyton beats up scrubs. If people didn't give Peyton a free pass because Archie Manning played on bad teams they would see Peyton Manning for the UNDERACHIEVER he really is.
                              I never said Peyton was an awesome post season QB. I'd take Ben over Peyton in the playoffs. Hell, I'd take Ben over any QB in the playoffs on our team. I'm not looking to trade Ben... the discussion is about production at the QB position.

                              Peyton has a losing record in the playoffs because he makes them every year. If we make the playoffs every year for the next 7 years the playoff losses will increase... if they don't then Ben is surely the best QB to ever play the game because he will have 10 SB appearances.
                              Steelers 27
                              Rats 16

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                              • NJ-STEELER
                                Legend
                                • May 2008
                                • 12563

                                Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

                                Originally posted by The Sodfather
                                Originally posted by williar

                                In probably the most pivitol play of XLV when Mendy got crushed in the backfield, I know the OL/TE whiffed on blocks, but should that play have even been ran? Doesn't the QB have some responsibility to recognize a breakdown (pre-snap read) and make an audible? It's thing like that, makes you shake your head......

                                JFC....................


                                an idiot statement like that tells me all i need to know about how some fans will never give ben any credit and think up bullchit to bash him.

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