"It's scary how good Ben can be"

[grotonsteel]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

FF killed the brains of many. All they see are stats. All they look at are box scores. There is not a one of these guys posting garbage that watch other teams and could label themselves "football" fans. True football fans watch other teams, not just stat lines and box scores.

I have found it's not even worth arguing with them.

Unfortunately that is so true.

People go on yahoo box score and talk about consistency

FF has destroyed people's ability to evaluate players and football in a lmore systematic concept. It has become all about the numbers which have no context and there is so much they do not see. Example: Our defense is rated #1 so no problems.

[Crash]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

Our D gets blame but those guys keep us in a ton of games.

Not as many as you think.

Certainly not in the Ben era.

[grotonsteel]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

OMG mark this thread.....You finally confessed Rivers is awful......

Glad you feel that way. I have less than 30 posts on this site but my opinion of Rivers is he's a better distributor of the ball than Ben. He's better at being a QB but he isn't the athlete Ben is.

As the title of this thread says, Ben could be scary good. He isn't.

"CAN BE" -- FUTURE...Article is talking about future....Ben is on the doorsteps of HOF right now and another SB appearance and he should be in Canton.

[grotonsteel]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

What happened to Ben against the Pats?

He did a Philip Rivers in that game.

Exactly. Ben was awful and did little to nothing until the second half when the Pats went into prevent and save the lead mode. The same things Crash lists as reasons he wants LeBeau gone.

To me, it's not about stats. It's about rhythm of the offense and consistentcy. We have no rhythm and many games that should be blow outs are left up to late drives to consistently win or the defense making a gamechanging play to win.

Anyone who calls our offense consistent or says it has rhythm doesn't watch the games. Period.

OMG mark this thread.....You finally confessed Rivers is awful......

That he did.

But he is too stupid to know it and that is the best part.

So true....

[feltdizz]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

I didn't see Peyton Manning making quick decisions when we blitzed him in the playoffs, did you? He took what? Two sacks on that drive before Bettis' fumble? Peyton also took a sack against the Chargers on his own goal line (again) in the playoffs needing 3 yards to advance. Where was the quick decisions from him?

Anyone? Anyone?

3 plays out of 6000+

You can't be serious...

[Crash]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

I didn't see Peyton Manning making quick decisions when we blitzed him in the playoffs, did you? He took what? Two sacks on that drive before Bettis' fumble? Peyton also took a sack against the Chargers on his own goal line (again) in the playoffs needing 3 yards to advance. Where was the quick decisions from him?

Anyone? Anyone?

3 plays out of 6000+

You can't be serious...

How about a 9-10 playoff record?

I could care less when Peyton beats up scrubs. If people didn't give Peyton a free pass because Archie Manning played on bad teams they would see Peyton Manning for the UNDERACHIEVER he really is.

[grotonsteel]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

I didn't see Peyton Manning making quick decisions when we blitzed him in the playoffs, did you? He took what? Two sacks on that drive before Bettis' fumble? Peyton also took a sack against the Chargers on his own goal line (again) in the playoffs needing 3 yards to advance. Where was the quick decisions from him?

Anyone? Anyone?

3 plays out of 6000+

You can't be serious...

How about a 9-10 playoff record?

I could care less when Peyton beats up scrubs. If people didn't give Peyton a free pass because Archie Manning played on bad teams they would see Peyton Manning for the UNDERACHIEVER he really is.

I will agree with feltdizz about consistency regarding Peyton manning though. He consistently chokes in playoffs....

[grotonsteel]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

1st: my point for asking about the Pats game was just to show that any QB can have a bad game. I don't understand how people use one game to prove Brees, Rivers, Brady.. etc. aren't good/elite. I'm not saying Rivers is elite... he has the skills but mentally he is weak.

Did anyone say Manning,Brady Rivers are not elite???But if you wanna put them in elite group and bash Ben for consistency and bring him down then obviously its case of dissecting each throw made by Ben whereas watching boxscore for other QBs.

Again do you believe did Manning, Brees or Rivers played better in regular season than Ben last season???

[Crash]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

They won't answer. They never do.

[feltdizz]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

Our D gets blame but those guys keep us in a ton of games.

Not as many as you think.

Certainly not in the Ben era.

That is a flat out lie....

"I was tired of being booed," Roethlisberger said, "I was tired of being embarrassed on offense. I told the guys that. I said, 'There's no need for it.' "

Our D is responsible for over half the wins in the Ben era. This is the problem with guys like you.. you can't give anyone else on the team any credit. It's all Ben.

We saw what happens when Ben puts up crazy stats and the D doesn't show up. We miss the playoffs and struggle to beat bad teams.

[Crash]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

"I was tired of being booed," Roethlisberger said, "I was tired of being embarrassed on offense. I told the guys that. I said, 'There's no need for it.' "

One game? Baltimore 2008, correct?

e saw what happens when Ben puts up crazy stats and the D doesn't show up. We miss the playoffs and struggle to beat bad teams.

Give back points have been a problem for 4 years with this defense.

And that's why they missed the 2009 playoffs.

The game at Baltimore in 2009 gave you guys exactly what you want: Smashmouth football, and no pass happy Ben.

And what happened? Dennis Dixon scored a TD, and the defense gave up a tying field goal when ONE STOP, would have won the game.

Just like XLIII. We score a TD and go up 10-0, the defense gets on the field for the SECOND TIME ALL DAY, and gives up a TD.

I guess they were gassed after five plays on the first series.

[williar]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

Defense wins championships. You saw what happen when our defense couldn't lock down the packers after our offense spotted them 14 points. Our offense led by Ben wasn't good enough to outscore the packers. Result-loss in XLV.

[Crash]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

Defense wins championships. You saw what happen when our defense couldn't lock down the packers after our offense spotted them 14 points.

The defense gave up a long drive and a TD before Ben threw any picks. Second drive of the game (just like in Tampa).

I guess they were tired then too.

[feltdizz]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

I didn't see Peyton Manning making quick decisions when we blitzed him in the playoffs, did you? He took what? Two sacks on that drive before Bettis' fumble? Peyton also took a sack against the Chargers on his own goal line (again) in the playoffs needing 3 yards to advance. Where was the quick decisions from him?

Anyone? Anyone?

3 plays out of 6000+

You can't be serious...

How about a 9-10 playoff record?

I could care less when Peyton beats up scrubs. If people didn't give Peyton a free pass because Archie Manning played on bad teams they would see Peyton Manning for the UNDERACHIEVER he really is.

I never said Peyton was an awesome post season QB. I'd take Ben over Peyton in the playoffs. Hell, I'd take Ben over any QB in the playoffs on our team. I'm not looking to trade Ben... the discussion is about production at the QB position.

Peyton has a losing record in the playoffs because he makes them every year. If we make the playoffs every year for the next 7 years the playoff losses will increase... if they don't then Ben is surely the best QB to ever play the game because he will have 10 SB appearances.

[NJ-STEELER]

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In probably the most pivitol play of XLV when Mendy got crushed in the backfield, I know the OL/TE whiffed on blocks, but should that play have even been ran? Doesn't the QB have some responsibility to recognize a breakdown (pre-snap read) and make an audible? It's thing like that, makes you shake your head......

JFC....................

an idiot statement like that tells me all i need to know about how some fans will never give ben any credit and think up bullchit to bash him.