"It's scary how good Ben can be"

[williar]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

It's quite simple for me. I have an appreciation for those QB's (Brees, Brady, Manning, Rivers, Rogers, Ryan, etc.) because they know how to put points on the board. That is what I expect from my offense/QB. These QB's have the proven ability to run their offense flawlessly, lead their teams down the field and score touchdowns.

I don't look foward to winning games 12-9 Roethlisberger style. I want my QB to be the smartest guy on the field, I don't care if he can run around and shake off lineman. Get rid of the damn football and you won't have to take sacks, jughead.

In probably the most pivitol play of XLV when Mendy got crushed in the backfield, I know the OL/TE whiffed on blocks, but should that play have even been ran? Doesn't the QB have some responsibility to recognize a breakdown (pre-snap read) and make an audible? It's thing like that, makes you shake your head......

[grotonsteel]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

Appears you are confusing team accomplishment with individual accomplishment.

P. Manning, Brees, Brady, & Rivers played the position with more consistency then Ben over the past few seasons. Those teams offenses consistently out performed the Steelers offenses and QB play is the biggest factor. More point production results from QB play.

I watched many games. You're the one quoting stats. If you want to compare stats, you will see that those QB's threw more TD's then Ben. Those QB lead offenses scored more PPG. That "fantasy football" production would be good for the Steelers offense and ultimately for the team. Fans want this offense to score more points. Contrary to what some people try to insinuate(stats don't matter), fantasy football stats help teams win games. I haven't played fantasy football for about 2 seasons. It's not a big hobby of mine.

Ben's been good for the Steelers. That being said, I don't think he's played at a consistently high enough level to help take the Steelers offense to another level. I feel that Ben needs to play with more consistency for the offense to take the next step and become a more consistent force. I won't be upset if you disagree.

Ohh so according to you Ben wins because of Defense but Steelers lose because of Ben. whereas Cheatroits,Colts Chargers win because of their play and lose because of their Defense.. Got it. That some stupid double standard.

Where did I make that statement? I take it you heard that some place else?

When did football became an individual game??? So you are telling Peyton played horrible this season because he sucked. It had nothing to do with injuries to his O-line or WRs?? You agree on that??? Wow..thats some progress....

I will make it simple for you. Peyton played the position with more consistency then Ben.

Okay let me tell you one thing. Philip Rivers scored garbage TDs more often than not. Chargers had Top-3 defense in NFL and still they could not reach playoffs. Again if you ever decide to watch games you might know about it.

Rivers played the position with more consistency then Ben.

Can you tell me why Tom Brady sucked big time in playoffs?? You are telling me Tom Brady had nothing to do with that?? He has not won a playoff game past 3 season. Thats inconsistency for you. He cannot win a big game for you without cheating.

Again, Tom Brady played the position with more consistency then Ben.

My 2 cents next time don't keep changing criteria/rules for QB you love. Keep the rules same it might change your opinion.

My 2 cents, read and attempt to comprehend my position on the issue. One reason the Steelers offense was an inconsistent force was because of the lack of consistency from the Steelers QB. That simple enough?

I thought you had some brains but i guess you flushed it somewhere. Again watch some games and then open your trap.

Rivers is more consistent than Ben..

Peyton Manning was more consistent than Ben last season....


Tom Brady is more consistent than Ben in post season...oh yeah right....

Please just don't click on Box Score and talk about consistency.

[grotonsteel]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

It's quite simple for me. I have an appreciation for those QB's (Brees, Brady, Manning, Rivers, Rogers, Ryan, etc.) because they know how to put points on the board. That is what I expect from my offense/QB. These QB's have the proven ability to run their offense flawlessly, lead their teams down the field and score touchdowns.

I don't look foward to winning games 12-9 Roethlisberger style. I want my QB to be the smartest guy on the field, I don't care if he can run around and shake off lineman. Get rid of the damn football and you won't have to take sacks, jughead.

In probably the most pivitol play of XLV when Mendy got crushed in the backfield, I know the OL/TE whiffed on blocks, but should that play have even been ran? Doesn't the QB have some responsibility to recognize a breakdown (pre-snap read) and make an audible? It's thing like that, makes you shake your head......

So by putting up 30 points make a QB smart????So you will take a 41-30 loss over a 12-9 win??? Hey your QB put 30 points he must be smart. Are you really that stupid??

How did Ryan played against packers at home??? Care to elaborate?? Ohh BTW how did Ryan played against Steelers???

BTW one stat Steelers Offense has put more than 20 points in every playoff game they have played with Ben as QB.

Hey by any chance are you that Brownie fan who like to paint johnson on his face??

[grotonsteel]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

My guess is blockhead = irongut

I don't know about that but irongut is a blockhead.

I'd say there is a 43% chance of that being true.

[The Sodfather]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

In probably the most pivitol play of XLV when Mendy got crushed in the backfield, I know the OL/TE whiffed on blocks, but should that play have even been ran? Doesn't the QB have some responsibility to recognize a breakdown (pre-snap read) and make an audible? It's thing like that, makes you shake your head......

JFC....................

[grotonsteel]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

I am not a delusional Roethlisberger fan. I don't think he's as good as Brady, Manning, Brees, Rogers, Rivers; shoot-I'll even take Matt Ryan. Replace Ben with any of these QB's and our offense would be lethal.

Our offense still struggles, badly and it is not on par with the defense. If our defense doesn't play great and hold the opponent to under 14-17 points than more often we lose. You cannot give Ben the football and tell him to go win me the game. He does not have the ability to beat you with his arm. The guy is not a good passer. But yeah, he can take a monster hit and keep on going.

I'd agree with that. Ben couldn't run the offense of the Patriots, Colts, certainly not the Saints, Green Bay, Atlanta or San Diego to the same efficiency but it's pretty clear to see any of them could come in here and improve our production.

There is no way you guys are this stupid...right? You have to be trolls to come on here and spew what would be universally criticized by any sampling of legitimate NFL analysts.

10 deep.

I think they can be that stupid. Put any of those QBs behind our OL and then take bets on how many actually make it through the season let alone put up good numbers and win games.

Put any of those QB's behind our OL and watch the ball come out quick as hell. Let's stop with the delusion. These other QB's don't have the size and weight Ben has to even think about holding the ball, shaking off DL's and throwing a pass.

What happened to Tom brady against Jets?? I guess ball did not come out pretty quickly. What about Rivers who can't take a team to playoff inspite of having talent across the board. Matt Ryan could not score a thing against the same packers defense on their home turf.

[williar]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

It's quite simple for me. I have an appreciation for those QB's (Brees, Brady, Manning, Rivers, Rogers, Ryan, etc.) because they know how to put points on the board. That is what I expect from my offense/QB. These QB's have the proven ability to run their offense flawlessly, lead their teams down the field and score touchdowns.

I don't look foward to winning games 12-9 Roethlisberger style. I want my QB to be the smartest guy on the field, I don't care if he can run around and shake off lineman. Get rid of the damn football and you won't have to take sacks, jughead.

In probably the most pivitol play of XLV when Mendy got crushed in the backfield, I know the OL/TE whiffed on blocks, but should that play have even been ran? Doesn't the QB have some responsibility to recognize a breakdown (pre-snap read) and make an audible? It's thing like that, makes you shake your head......

So by putting up 30 points make a QB smart????So you will take a 41-30 loss over a 12-9 win??? Hey your QB put 30 points he must be smart. Are you really that stupid??

How did Ryan played against packers at home??? Care to elaborate?? Ohh BTW how did Ryan played against Steelers???

BTW one stat Steelers Offense has put more than 20 points in every playoff game they have played with Ben as QB.

Hey by any chance are you that Brownie fan who like to paint johnson on his face??

That's not really what I'm saying, but thanks anyways!

[williar]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

In probably the most pivitol play of XLV when Mendy got crushed in the backfield, I know the OL/TE whiffed on blocks, but should that play have even been ran? Doesn't the QB have some responsibility to recognize a breakdown (pre-snap read) and make an audible? It's thing like that, makes you shake your head......

JFC....................

What does that mean? I was hoping maybe you could share some insight.... I guess I expected too much... Sorry!

[williar]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

Why does the delusional Rothlisberger fans get sooooo defensive? I mean, this is just a discussion, right? Don't we all have the same right to express our our opinions without be called "doo doo head" and "stinky-breath" and other romper room references ???

[Blockhead]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

Why does the delusional Rothlisberger fans get sooooo defensive? I mean, this is just a discussion, right? Don't we all have the same right to express our our opinions without be called "doo doo head" and "stinky-breath" and other romper room references ???

Because they know the criticism of Ben's play is true and justified and it drives them nuts.

[The Sodfather]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

In probably the most pivitol play of XLV when Mendy got crushed in the backfield, I know the OL/TE whiffed on blocks, but should that play have even been ran? Doesn't the QB have some responsibility to recognize a breakdown (pre-snap read) and make an audible? It's thing like that, makes you shake your head......

JFC....................

What does that mean? I was hoping maybe you could share some insight.... I guess I expected too much... Sorry!

The only thing sorry was your idiotic statement.

[Crash]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

Put any of those QB's behind our OL and watch the ball come out quick as hell. Let's stop with the delusion. These other QB's don't have the size and weight Ben has to even think about holding the ball, shaking off DL's and throwing a pass.

Ben doesn't shake off DL's as much as people claim. Because he's 6-5 and mobile that's the perception.

But as usual, that's not reality either.

Ben is fairly easy to hit/sack if you get the chance. The difference is he doesn't let you because he moves around.

Go watch Carson Palmer against the Jets in the playoffs. The first sign of trouble he did what you dimwits wanted and threw the ball out of bounds. He was a scared rabbit, and played like it.

But hey, at least he didn't get sacked.

Is that what you guys want Ben to be?

[Crash]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

Just remember, Matt Ryan doesn't get to bring the Georgia Dome with him either.

[Crash]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

Ben's career home/road splits.

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Where's the inconsistency?

Now before someone mentions Rodgers? His road record in the regular season is 10-16.

Bye now.

[williar]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

Put any of those QB's behind our OL and watch the ball come out quick as hell. Let's stop with the delusion. These other QB's don't have the size and weight Ben has to even think about holding the ball, shaking off DL's and throwing a pass.

Ben doesn't shake off DL's as much as people claim. Because he's 6-5 and mobile that's the perception.

But as usual, that's not reality either.

Ben is fairly easy to hit/sack if you get the chance. The difference is he doesn't let you because he moves around.

Go watch Carson Palmer against the Jets in the playoffs. The first sign of trouble he did what you dimwits wanted and threw the ball out of bounds. He was a scared rabbit, and played like it.

But hey, at least he didn't get sacked.

Is that what you guys want Ben to be?

No, not at all. Do you ever wonder why when we face elite QB's our defense never seems to be able to get hand on them, rattle them, disrupt their flow, etc, and some of these QB's have the mobility of a turtle ... I believe it's because they make quick decisions and can get the ball to the open man. I never see these QB's holding the ball like Ben does, if they do they'll get sacked or pressured too.