"It's scary how good Ben can be"

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The Peyton Plop!

I believe the first time I saw it was against the Ravens in 2008.

[hawaiiansteel]

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Ben is a winner, if he doesn't make this tackle we lose the game and never make it to the Super Bowl...



I'm certainly glad he's our QB, we may not always win but at least Ben always gives us a chance.
the only criticism I have of Ben is I hope he never gets his hair cut like this again...

[Blockhead]

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There really is no reason to debate with someone who can't see Ben's faults. They're clearly in denial and it's doubtful they come out of it.

As for holding the ball, anyone who says it's better to hold the ball than make a read and throw the ball is delusional and doesn't understand football.

There are many factors for QB's winning SB's or not. QB's don't win SB's alone but to suggest a few plays by Peyton Manning makes him a worse QB than Ben is ridiculous. Should we also say that minus a throw in SB XLIII, Ben is a complete bust of SB's? Minus that one throw, Ben would be 1/3 in SB's and played like hot garbage in the one he did win. No, of course not. That's why you can't deny the thousands of passes Manning has thrown and try to force a point by showing 2-3 sacks.

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Should we also say that minus a throw in SB XLIII, Ben is a complete bust of SB's?

Um, no, because Ben started XLIII on fire as well. The great defense couldn't get off the field after we went up 10-0 in that game.

Ben does have faults. But you clowns don't admit the faults of other QBs at all. When someone says Matt Ryan is better than Ben? Their opinion doesn't matter to me.

Bye.

[Blockhead]

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Should we also say that minus a throw in SB XLIII, Ben is a complete bust of SB's?

Um, no, because Ben started XLIII on fire as well. The great defense couldn't get off the field after we went up 10-0 in that game.

Ben does have faults. But you clowns don't admit the faults of other QBs at all. When someone says Matt Ryan is better than Ben? Their opinion doesn't matter to me.

Bye.

Reality is it wouldn't matter how he started if he lost.

Everyone knows the biggest reason we won the game was the 14 point swing James Harrison provided the team. Without that play, we don't win or even have a chance to win. Blaming the defense is as ridiculous as anything.

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Should we also say that minus a throw in SB XLIII, Ben is a complete bust of SB's?

Um, no, because Ben started XLIII on fire as well. The great defense couldn't get off the field after we went up 10-0 in that game.

Ben does have faults. But you clowns don't admit the faults of other QBs at all. When someone says Matt Ryan is better than Ben? Their opinion doesn't matter to me.

Bye.

Reality is it wouldn't matter how he started if he lost.

Everyone knows the biggest reason we won the game was the 14 point swing James Harrison provided the team. Without that play, we don't win or even have a chance to win. Blaming the defense is as ridiculous as anything.

The defense blew a 20-7 4th quarter lead. Those are facts. The defense also couldn't get off the field. Again, those are facts.

Deal in them, or STFU.

[grotonsteel]

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Should we also say that minus a throw in SB XLIII, Ben is a complete bust of SB's?

Ben does have faults. But you clowns don't admit the faults of other QBs at all. When someone says Matt Ryan is better than Ben? Their opinion doesn't matter to me.

Again why does one game make Ben inconsistent whereas if we point out failures of Peyton and Brady in playoffs we hear but it is just one game and neglected..???

[Blockhead]

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The defense blew a 20-7 4th quarter lead. Those are facts. The defense also couldn't get off the field. Again, those are facts.

Deal in them, or STFU.

The defense held the Cardinals to 7 points throught three quarters then backed off, as we always do, to preserve a lead. That's fantastic defense. If the offense could do anything or score in the fourth quarter, the lead is never surrendered. It's really nothing new. If you followed the Steelers and watched the games, you would know we did and have done this strategy for a long long time. The only difference now is our offfense can't milk a clock like the offenses of years ago. We have fallen in love with the pass too much and too many empty sets. In SB XLIII, our offense in the fourth quarter netted -2 total yards, 2 punts and a safety on the first three drives. Is that the defenses fault? You have to watch the games to understand the flow of the games. Blaming the defense for XLIII is completely ridiculous. You should be thanking them.

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Yeah it was real fantastic watching Jr. run past the secondary. Thanks defense!

Our "defense" is actually the OFFENSE controlling the clock.

And even then, they give up too many give back scores when the Steelers score points.

[Blockhead]

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Yeah it was real fantastic watching Jr. run past the secondary. Thanks defense!

Our "defense" is actually the OFFENSE controlling the clock.

And even then, they give up too many give back scores when the Steelers score points.

You've made it pretty clear you have not followed the Steelers very long. If you had, you would know this is typical of our defense. We play lights out, then protect a lead by running the ball and controlling the clock. The only difference now is we have a moron for a OC who likes to keep passing and risking the lead or causing shorter drives and less consuming clock with incompletions.

Again, in SB XLIII, our offense in the fourth quarter netted -2 total yards, 2 punts and a safety on the first three drives.

How is that the defense's fault? I'd suggest you study up on the Steelers by actually watching the games, both past and present, and you'll see what I wrote above is exactly the facts.

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The only difference now is we have a moron for a OC who likes to keep passing and risking the lead or causing shorter drives and less consuming clock with incompletions.

The Steelers were #3 in TOP in 2009. 17 seconds LESS per game than the NFL leader.

The "short drives" excuse of 2009 doesn't wash either. The defense in fact was guilty of giving up LONG TD drives AFTER the Steelers would score points of their own. That's why they missed the playoffs. If anything Tomlin proved when he kicked that onsides kick against Green Bay that he had no confidence in his defense to make a stop, and if anything they would at least get the ball back when the defense gave up their TD by shortening the Packers drive.

Of course, I'm not saying anything that anyone who watches the games wouldn't know themselves.

[Blockhead]

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The only difference now is we have a moron for a OC who likes to keep passing and risking the lead or causing shorter drives and less consuming clock with incompletions.

The Steelers were #3 in TOP in 2009. 17 seconds LESS per game than the NFL leader.

The "short drives" excuse of 2009 doesn't wash either. The defense in fact was guilty of giving up LONG TD drives AFTER the Steelers would score points of their own. That's why they missed the playoffs. If anything Tomlin proved when he kicked that onsides kick against Green Bay that he had no confidence in his defense to make a stop, and if anything they would at least get the ball back when the defense gave up their TD by shortening the Packers drive.

Of course, I'm not saying anything that anyone who watches the games wouldn't know themselves.

You watch the games? I highly doubt that. You clearly study box scores. Everyone of your examples in this topic is picking apart stats to try and show your point yet ignoring those that do not.

If you had watched the Steelers over the years, you'd know what you're saying is completely wrong.

I see you want to ignore the truth on SB XLIII and the first three drives of the 4th quarter.

Judging by your replies in this topic alone, you are in complete denial of the truth about our offense.

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I see you want to ignore the truth on SB XLIII and the first three drives of the 4th quarter.

Yeah, they started slow in the 4th quarter. But what was the defense's excuse for giving up another TD after we scored a TD ourselves? 10-0 and our defense bends over. I guess they were tired after 5 plays right?

In the last five SB quarters for this defense, five TD passes given up.

Stellar.

The four games without pass happy Ben and Arians proves my point this season. They gave up a 4th quarter lead against the Falcons, they were one missed PI call on McFadden from giving up a HUGE 4th quarter lead against the Titans if they convert a 2 point try, and blew a 4th quarter lead and lost to the Ravens.

Ben was nowhere to be found, and the same 2009 problems existed didn't they? In fact, in the last 5 games that Ben hasn't played? The defense has blown three 4th quarter leads.

So much for passing too much.

Oh let me guess, it was all by design, right?

[williar]

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Ben is not one of the better deep ball passers.

The facts on the field say he is.
Look it up.

[quote:1jn2p72o]I am not going to change my opinion of Ben until he develops more consistency

Once again, home/road splits:

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Now, you have gone to far. Ben a good deep ball passer? Yeah! those deep ball he connected to Wallace for TD's in XLV were a thing of beauty. Oh! Wait!!

Where's the inconsistency?[/quote:1jn2p72o]

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Now, you have gone to far. Ben a good deep ball passer? Yeah! those deep ball he connected to Wallace for TD's in XLV were a thing of beauty. Oh! Wait!!

So again, one game? That's your evidence?

Wallace averages 20 yards a catch for his career, he and Ben have already connected for more 40+ yard TDs than any combo in franchise history, and somehow Ben can't throw a deep ball.

Hilarious.