Ever notice...

[BDESteel]

Re: Ever notice...

Yea, you are right. I wasn't going to respond to that post regarding Timmons, Woodley, etc. but did anyway.

We will never know, but I would assume that with each passing year, he becomes more entrenched in those decisions. I'd imagine that his 1st year, he had say in the matter, but Colbert was/is calling the shots. Again, successful companies, organizations, etc. are successful because they have a 'team' effort in getting things done, so I'm sure the entire coaching staff has something to say on who gets drafted.

I also agree with Snarky. My point is Tomlin can plug in people that aren't Cowher people and continue to win games. That in my opinion is the sign of a good coach. There has been argument from LVG (who the original poster seems to allude to) makes the argument that this current Steelers team is a nucleus of Cowher people and when they're gone the teams winning ways will go with them. I don't believe that is going to be true.

[LasVegasGuy]

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Guys, I bet there wasn't one of you ready to scream your F-ing heads off at Tomlin if the Steelers blew a 28 point lead.

These are the things that really gnaw at me about Tomlin. When in the history of the Steelers has a 28 point lead not been safe? Did he learn anything from the Bears and Bengals game? Why in the world was he not thinking on-side kick right after the Chargers scored and the game was winding down? Did he think the Chargers were content and the game was over? Everyone knew it was coming and the hands team wasn't even out there. He didn't even have the side overloaded anticipating an onside kick. It's stupid decisions like this which swing momentum. No way, no how should this game have come down to us kicking a field goal to preserve the win when we were up by 28 points.

Then there is Mendenhall-gate. We all knew this kid could be special but it takes a FWP injury to get him into the lineup fulltime. Did he really expect Mendenhall to produce getting 4 to 5 carries a game. Now he has a delimma on his hands when FWP is ready to come back. He has already proclaimed FWP as his runner so let's see if he saw what every other Steeler fan saw and this is actually Mendenhall's job to lose now.

I'm curious to see what he is going to do.

[pfelix73]

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It's still is a group of players mostly from the Cowher era. You can't say it isn't. Go down through the roster and take a look.

Yes, as each year passes, there is more turnover, but there are still (without going down through the roster) close to 15 starters that are from the old regime.

On O the new starters not from the Cowher era are Hartwig and C. Davis.

On D you have Woodley, Timmons, and Gay.

The rest were already here.

Just be realistic.

[LasVegasGuy]

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It's still is a group of players mostly from the Cowher era. You can't say it isn't. Go down through the roster and take a look.

Yes, as each year passes, there is more turnover, but there are still (without going down through the roster) close to 15 starters that are from the old regime.

On O the new starters not from the Cowher era are Hartwig and C. Davis.

On D you have Woodley, Timmons, and Gay.

The rest were already here.

Just be realistic.

Woodley is non exist this year. Timmons makes a presence every now and then and Gay is good in spots.

[BDESteel]

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It's still is a group of players mostly from the Cowher era. You can't say it isn't. Go down through the roster and take a look.

Yes, as each year passes, there is more turnover, but there are still (without going down through the roster) close to 15 starters that are from the old regime.

On O the new starters not from the Cowher era are Hartwig and C. Davis.

On D you have Woodley, Timmons, and Gay.

The rest were already here.

Just be realistic.

I truly believe you just like to argue. I think you know what I'm saying. It would be easy to lose games with the turnover of players we have and just the fact that if he was a poor coach we wouldn't have won the SB.

[quote="LasVegasGuy"]Guys, I bet there wasn't one of you ready to scream your F-ing heads off at Tomlin if the Steelers blew a 28 point lead.

I would have. I've blamed Coach T for things I thought were his fault. He's doing a good job keeping the team together and you should acknowledge that. But, you seem to hate no matter what he does.

[LasVegasGuy]

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It's still is a group of players mostly from the Cowher era. You can't say it isn't. Go down through the roster and take a look.

Yes, as each year passes, there is more turnover, but there are still (without going down through the roster) close to 15 starters that are from the old regime.

On O the new starters not from the Cowher era are Hartwig and C. Davis.

On D you have Woodley, Timmons, and Gay.

The rest were already here.

Just be realistic.

I truly believe you just like to argue. I think you know what I'm saying. It would be easy to lose games with the turnover of players we have and just the fact that if he was a poor coach we wouldn't have won the SB.

Guys, I bet there wasn't one of you ready to scream your F-ing heads off at Tomlin if the Steelers blew a 28 point lead.

I would have. I've blamed Coach T for things I thought were his fault. He's doing a good job keeping the team together and you should acknowledge that. But, you seem to hate no matter what he does.

Not necessarily. I was curious to see how the team would respond after losing two games in a row and he passed the test in my opinion. I was a proud fan for 3 quarters because the Steelers were playing like I expect the Steelers to play. Then I was left scratching my head on how in the world we needed a late field goal to hold of the Chargers. WTF!!!!!!!!!!

[BDESteel]

Re: Ever notice...

It's still is a group of players mostly from the Cowher era. You can't say it isn't. Go down through the roster and take a look.

Yes, as each year passes, there is more turnover, but there are still (without going down through the roster) close to 15 starters that are from the old regime.

On O the new starters not from the Cowher era are Hartwig and C. Davis.

On D you have Woodley, Timmons, and Gay.

The rest were already here.

Just be realistic.

I truly believe you just like to argue. I think you know what I'm saying. It would be easy to lose games with the turnover of players we have and just the fact that if he was a poor coach we wouldn't have won the SB.

Guys, I bet there wasn't one of you ready to scream your F-ing heads off at Tomlin if the Steelers blew a 28 point lead.

I would have. I've blamed Coach T for things I thought were his fault. He's doing a good job keeping the team together and you should acknowledge that. But, you seem to hate no matter what he does.

Not necessarily. I was curious to see how the team would respond after losing two games in a row and he passed the test in my opinion. I was a proud fan for 3 quarters because the Steelers were playing like I expect the Steelers to play. Then I was left scratching my head on how in the world we needed a late field goal to hold of the Chargers. WTF!!!!!!!!!!

On that, I concur.

[LasVegasGuy]

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LVG is certainly not a troll. His predictions regarding the demise of Parker, give or take one more piss poor performance, appear to be accurate.

It wasn't about his predicting the demise of Parker, rather he had Mendenhall starting week 1 one of his rookie season over FW. I believe that's what most were arguing, but he seemed to think everyone who didn't want to start a rook over thousand-yard back was an idiot. I don't think anyone had a problem with seeing that Mendenhall had the potential to end up being a more complete back eventually. But if memory serves me correctly, that's wasn't his take, or at least that's not how he presented it.

It wasn't that I thought Mendenhall as a rookie was better then FWP. I couldn't watch as this coaching staff stood behind FWP as he gained 1 and 2 yards a carry. He was constantly putting our offense in 3rd and long situations which in turned led to Ben holding the ball to long waiting for recievers to run long routes. His running I believe hamstrung our offense in what it could and couldn't do.

I figured with Mendenhall in there our situation couldn't get any worse over FWP. I'm surprised it took this coaching staff so long to finally give the kid a legitimate shoot to get into the rhythm of the game.

[stlrz d]

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LVG is certainly not a troll. His predictions regarding the demise of Parker, give or take one more piss poor performance, appear to be accurate.

I would advise you to click on his profile, search all posts by user and re-think that statement.

[NC Steeler Fan]

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[quote=stlrz d]

LVG is certainly not a troll. His predictions regarding the demise of Parker, give or take one more piss poor performance, appear to be accurate.

I would advise you to click on his profile, search all posts by user and re-think that statement.[/quote:2lxw6pbb]

Well, maybe so.

But, he's doing a damn good job of contributing on this thread...

[NC Steeler Fan]

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LVG is certainly not a troll. His predictions regarding the demise of Parker, give or take one more piss poor performance, appear to be accurate.

It wasn't about his predicting the demise of Parker, rather he had Mendenhall starting week 1 one of his rookie season over FW. I believe that's what most were arguing, but he seemed to think everyone who didn't want to start a rook over thousand-yard back was an idiot. I don't think anyone had a problem with seeing that Mendenhall had the potential to end up being a more complete back eventually. But if memory serves me correctly, that's wasn't his take, or at least that's not how he presented it.

It wasn't that I thought Mendenhall as a rookie was better then FWP. I couldn't watch as this coaching staff stood behind FWP as he gained 1 and 2 yards a carry. He was constantly putting our offense in 3rd and long situations which in turned led to Ben holding the ball to long waiting for recievers to run long routes. His running I believe hamstrung our offense in what it could and couldn't do.

I figured with Mendenhall in there our situation couldn't get any worse over FWP. I'm surprised it took this coaching staff so long to finally give the kid a legitimate shoot to get into the rhythm of the game.

I'm not sure they should get much credit here though...Mendenhall was in because Parker was out, no?

[frankthetank1]

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Guys, I bet there wasn't one of you ready to scream your F-ing heads off at Tomlin if the Steelers blew a 28 point lead.

These are the things that really gnaw at me about Tomlin. When in the history of the Steelers has a 28 point lead not been safe? Did he learn anything from the Bears and Bengals game? Why in the world was he not thinking on-side kick right after the Chargers scored and the game was winding down? Did he think the Chargers were content and the game was over? Everyone knew it was coming and the hands team wasn't even out there. He didn't even have the side overloaded anticipating an onside kick. It's stupid decisions like this which swing momentum. No way, no how should this game have come down to us kicking a field goal to preserve the win when we were up by 28 points.

Then there is Mendenhall-gate. We all knew this kid could be special but it takes a FWP injury to get him into the lineup fulltime. Did he really expect Mendenhall to produce getting 4 to 5 carries a game. Now he has a delimma on his hands when FWP is ready to come back. He has already proclaimed FWP as his runner so let's see if he saw what every other Steeler fan saw and this is actually Mendenhall's job to lose now.

I'm curious to see what he is going to do.

the onside kick was a bad bad move no doubt, but why doesnt lebeau take any blame? its all tomlin with you. i know you think lebeau has carried tomlin thus far so what about now when the offense is carrying the defense? no arguement here when it comes to rb rotation. but i would even include moore in the running game too. moore has proved more than mendenhall has. no reason why both players shouldnt share carries. the bengals game was an exception though. you cant fault tomlin for being strict and inforcing some discipline. cowher would have done exactly the same in that situation. i would think winning a sb in year two for a young coach would definetly exceed expectations wouldnt you?

[ikestops85]

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LVG is certainly not a troll. His predictions regarding the demise of Parker, give or take one more piss poor performance, appear to be accurate.

It wasn't about his predicting the demise of Parker, rather he had Mendenhall starting week 1 one of his rookie season over FW. I believe that's what most were arguing, but he seemed to think everyone who didn't want to start a rook over thousand-yard back was an idiot. I don't think anyone had a problem with seeing that Mendenhall had the potential to end up being a more complete back eventually. But if memory serves me correctly, that's wasn't his take, or at least that's not how he presented it.

It wasn't that I thought Mendenhall as a rookie was better then FWP. I couldn't watch as this coaching staff stood behind FWP as he gained 1 and 2 yards a carry. He was constantly putting our offense in 3rd and long situations which in turned led to Ben holding the ball to long waiting for recievers to run long routes. His running I believe hamstrung our offense in what it could and couldn't do.

I figured with Mendenhall in there our situation couldn't get any worse over FWP. I'm surprised it took this coaching staff so long to finally give the kid a legitimate shoot to get into the rhythm of the game.

Actually they could get worse with Mendy in ... face it, our o-line was in shambles for most of last year and even the 1st half of the Titans game this year. Then, starting in the 2nd half of that game, it seemed like magic and they became a wall in pass protection. Yes, there was the occasional breakdown but overall the pass protection has been great. Instead of Ben running for his life he gets to pump fake the ball 2, 3 or even 4 times.

But the run blocking has taken longer to improve. It started getting better in the bengal game but you have to admit that in the games FWP played in last year or this year he NEVER saw holes like the ones from the last Charger game. The only thing close to that was the playoff game against the chargers last year. I don't want to take anything away from Mendy's performance but I think Willie would have come close to matching it if he had played. Notice I said close. I think this is the first time Mendy has shown he has the skills to outperform Willie ... and he has had chances before. Last year in pre-season and the regular season he had trouble holding on to the ball. This year in pre-season he showed little to nothing and evidently he wasn't into learning the playbook. Tomlin and Arians have given Mendy chances but he hasn't taken advantage of them until now.

You can't blame the coaches if the players don't take advantage of the opportunities offered to them. Look at Wallace and Sweed ... they have both had chances and one has performed while the other hasn't.

[LasVegasGuy]

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I think Tomlin is a good coach. However, there are times when he is inconsistent in his decisions and that could just be because he is new at being the main man. I do believe that his real coaching skills will be put to the test when this team starts on its downward spiral. I think all teams go through cycles, especially the good ones, and maybe we are starting to see that now with some of the veterans getting up there in age and past their primes.

Tomlin was given the reigns of a team already with a solid nucleus and a franchise QB. He didn't take over the Rams or Raiders, he took over a winning franchise with a lot of talent. Some of that talent will/is inevitably be leaving via FA, retirement, etc. It's how he and his staff who he is the boss of, continues to build the entire 'team'. This also includes what he does in the off season when he evaluates his coaching staff and decides who he keeps and lets go.

Let's remember that Switzer won a SB after JJ left the Cowgirls. I'm not saying Tomlin is another Switzer, but Switzer only won that SB against us, because of what JJ and his staff already had. History showed that Switzer was eventually fired because he couldn't keep up with the losses due to retirement, etc. Tomlin's time for this adjustment is coming soon, and we'll see how he handles it. I think he will handle it fairly well, but that's just a guess......

My thoughts exactly. Couldn't have said it better myself. While everyone on here is hoping the Steelers lock up Tomlin for many, mnay years I feel we still need to see what he is made of. I say a one or two year extension before we even consider locking him up for 4 or 5 years. I don't think we are out of the "Barry Switzer", "Mike Martz" woods yet of coaches who inherited good teams and had instant success early on.

[LasVegasGuy]

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3 of your 4 examples there are still up in the air.

Mendy has 1 good game and he's crowned the next Emmitt Smith, and Timmons is so-so at this point. He seems to have the ability, but he has to get better. He didn't have a good 2nd half against the Bolts. He totally got owned when he went up against Gates there on a few plays. One of his TD's as a matter of fact. Timmons missed a few tackles.

A 2nd round draft pick was used/ wasted on Sweed.

So, what's your argument again?

Don't forget 0 sacks for Woodley in 4 games. We may have another Kendrell Bell on our hands. 1, maybe 2, good years and then just disappears.