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[feltdizz]

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Guys, I bet there wasn't one of you ready to scream your F-ing heads off at Tomlin if the Steelers blew a 28 point lead.

These are the things that really gnaw at me about Tomlin. When in the history of the Steelers has a 28 point lead not been safe? Did he learn anything from the Bears and Bengals game? Why in the world was he not thinking on-side kick right after the Chargers scored and the game was winding down? Did he think the Chargers were content and the game was over? Everyone knew it was coming and the hands team wasn't even out there. He didn't even have the side overloaded anticipating an onside kick. It's stupid decisions like this which swing momentum. No way, no how should this game have come down to us kicking a field goal to preserve the win when we were up by 28 points.

Then there is Mendenhall-gate. We all knew this kid could be special but it takes a FWP injury to get him into the lineup fulltime. Did he really expect Mendenhall to produce getting 4 to 5 carries a game. Now he has a delimma on his hands when FWP is ready to come back. He has already proclaimed FWP as his runner so let's see if he saw what every other Steeler fan saw and this is actually Mendenhall's job to lose now.

I'm curious to see what he is going to do.

I agree on the Mendenhall deal.. he should start.. just like Ben and FWP kept their spots after getting them thru injury.

[LasVegasGuy]

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Guys, I bet there wasn't one of you ready to scream your F-ing heads off at Tomlin if the Steelers blew a 28 point lead.

These are the things that really gnaw at me about Tomlin. When in the history of the Steelers has a 28 point lead not been safe? Did he learn anything from the Bears and Bengals game? Why in the world was he not thinking on-side kick right after the Chargers scored and the game was winding down? Did he think the Chargers were content and the game was over? Everyone knew it was coming and the hands team wasn't even out there. He didn't even have the side overloaded anticipating an onside kick. It's stupid decisions like this which swing momentum. No way, no how should this game have come down to us kicking a field goal to preserve the win when we were up by 28 points.

Then there is Mendenhall-gate. We all knew this kid could be special but it takes a FWP injury to get him into the lineup fulltime. Did he really expect Mendenhall to produce getting 4 to 5 carries a game. Now he has a delimma on his hands when FWP is ready to come back. He has already proclaimed FWP as his runner so let's see if he saw what every other Steeler fan saw and this is actually Mendenhall's job to lose now.

I'm curious to see what he is going to do.

the onside kick was a bad bad move no doubt, but why doesnt lebeau take any blame? its all tomlin with you. i know you think lebeau has carried tomlin thus far so what about now when the offense is carrying the defense? no arguement here when it comes to rb rotation. but i would even include moore in the running game too. moore has proved more than mendenhall has. no reason why both players shouldnt share carries. the bengals game was an exception though. you cant fault tomlin for being strict and inforcing some discipline. cowher would have done exactly the same in that situation. i would think winning a sb in year two for a young coach would definetly exceed expectations wouldnt you?

Tomlin is the head coach. He has every right to call Lebeau into his office on Monday and fire his butt. So when things go bad in a game it's the fault of the coach for allowing it to happen. If Tomlin doesn't like something override it. You were given the head coaching job not the defensive coordinator position. If you don't like the defense change it. You don't like the offense change it. All calls go through his headset.

[LasVegasGuy]

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[quote=stlrz d]

LVG is certainly not a troll. His predictions regarding the demise of Parker, give or take one more piss poor performance, appear to be accurate.

I would advise you to click on his profile, search all posts by user and re-think that statement.[/quote:3n4xe6ei]


Let me know STLRZ-DOUCHE if you find something that isn't Tomlin or FWP related? I think it's apparent to everyone on here I don't have the same lovefest everyone else has for Tomlin or FWP. Don't try to stir up something that isn't there. Just grab your deer piss, tree stand and head off into the woods and wait for Sunday.

[feltdizz]

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It's still is a group of players mostly from the Cowher era. You can't say it isn't. Go down through the roster and take a look.

Yes, as each year passes, there is more turnover, but there are still (without going down through the roster) close to 15 starters that are from the old regime.

On O the new starters not from the Cowher era are Hartwig and C. Davis.

On D you have Woodley, Timmons, and Gay.

The rest were already here.

Just be realistic.

I never understood why this was such a big deal. Name one coach who fired 53 players and started over. Tomlins job is to keep winning..

I could see if Cowher had 4 rings but he lost a ton of AFCCG's.. his era was filled with great a win % and a dismal AFCCG record.

[feltdizz]

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Tomlin is the head coach. He has every right to call Lebeau into his office on Monday and fire his butt. So when things go bad in a game it's the fault of the coach for allowing it to happen. If Tomlin doesn't like something override it. You were given the head coaching job not the defensive coordinator position. If you don't like the defense change it. You don't like the offense change it. All calls go through his headset.

but firing Lebeau would be idiotic... you suggest things that would clearly be used against Tomlin a week later..

I think you have this view of Tomlin patting guys on the back and giving Lebeau a party for his recent failure..

you read too much into the cliche press conferences..

[LasVegasGuy]

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LVG is certainly not a troll. His predictions regarding the demise of Parker, give or take one more piss poor performance, appear to be accurate.

It wasn't about his predicting the demise of Parker, rather he had Mendenhall starting week 1 one of his rookie season over FW. I believe that's what most were arguing, but he seemed to think everyone who didn't want to start a rook over thousand-yard back was an idiot. I don't think anyone had a problem with seeing that Mendenhall had the potential to end up being a more complete back eventually. But if memory serves me correctly, that's wasn't his take, or at least that's not how he presented it.

It wasn't that I thought Mendenhall as a rookie was better then FWP. I couldn't watch as this coaching staff stood behind FWP as he gained 1 and 2 yards a carry. He was constantly putting our offense in 3rd and long situations which in turned led to Ben holding the ball to long waiting for recievers to run long routes. His running I believe hamstrung our offense in what it could and couldn't do.

I figured with Mendenhall in there our situation couldn't get any worse over FWP. I'm surprised it took this coaching staff so long to finally give the kid a legitimate shoot to get into the rhythm of the game.

Actually they could get worse with Mendy in ... face it, our o-line was in shambles for most of last year and even the 1st half of the Titans game this year. Then, starting in the 2nd half of that game, it seemed like magic and they became a wall in pass protection. Yes, there was the occasional breakdown but overall the pass protection has been great. Instead of Ben running for his life he gets to pump fake the ball 2, 3 or even 4 times.

But the run blocking has taken longer to improve. It started getting better in the bengal game but you have to admit that in the games FWP played in last year or this year he NEVER saw holes like the ones from the last Charger game. The only thing close to that was the playoff game against the chargers last year. I don't want to take anything away from Mendy's performance but I think Willie would have come close to matching it if he had played. Notice I said close. I think this is the first time Mendy has shown he has the skills to outperform Willie ... and he has had chances before. Last year in pre-season and the regular season he had trouble holding on to the ball. This year in pre-season he showed little to nothing and evidently he wasn't into learning the playbook. Tomlin and Arians have given Mendy chances but he hasn't taken advantage of them until now.

You can't blame the coaches if the players don't take advantage of the opportunities offered to them. Look at Wallace and Sweed ... they have both had chances and one has performed while the other hasn't.

Was the blocking better in the San Diego game or did we have the Chargers off balance between a guy that can actually run and Ben's passing? Mendy was running with vigor, something we don't see out of FWP. How many times did we see Mendy get hit once, twice and three times and keep moving his feet? That is the difference in my opinion. While the holes were there they just didn't magically appear in this game. While Mendy hits the hole straight on, FWP likes to dance around. Lineman can't be expected to hold blocks forever you have a short window of opportunity as a running back. Mendy takes advantage of it while FWP doesn't, in my opinion.

And by the way look how well Mendy did without a fullback. So it is possible to have success without utilizing a fullback fulltime as most people on here preach is the problem we have with Willie.

[LasVegasGuy]

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It's still is a group of players mostly from the Cowher era. You can't say it isn't. Go down through the roster and take a look.

Yes, as each year passes, there is more turnover, but there are still (without going down through the roster) close to 15 starters that are from the old regime.

On O the new starters not from the Cowher era are Hartwig and C. Davis.

On D you have Woodley, Timmons, and Gay.

The rest were already here.

Just be realistic.

I never understood why this was such a big deal. Name one coach who fired 53 players and started over. Tomlins job is to keep winning..

I could see if Cowher had 4 rings but he lost a ton of AFCCG's.. his era was filled with great a win % and a dismal AFCCG record.

But in Cowher's defense the minute he was given a franchise quarterback he won a Super Bowl. The same franchise quarterback that Tomlin has today. Plus, he ran up against some pretty good Patriot teams and John Elway.

[stlrz d]

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[quote=LasVegasGuy]

LVG is certainly not a troll. His predictions regarding the demise of Parker, give or take one more piss poor performance, appear to be accurate.

I would advise you to click on his profile, search all posts by user and re-think that statement.

Let me know STLRZ-DOUCHE if you find something that isn't Tomlin or FWP related? I think it's apparent to everyone on here I don't have the same lovefest everyone else has for Tomlin or FWP. Don't try to stir up something that isn't there. Just grab your deer piss, tree stand and head off into the woods and wait for Sunday.

[/quote:hmufzfi9]

See NC...not only is he a troll, he's a sad, angry bitter little man who doesn't know the first thing about those whom he attempts to insult.

The last time I hunted with a gun was 27 years ago...and I've never bow hunted...or used any kind of masking agents. Oh yeah, and then there's that matter of me originally being from a metro area of nearly 13 million people...perhaps some of you have [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Metropolitan_Area]heard of it[/url]?

[pfelix73]

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Also in Cowher's defense, I believe he had the best record in the NFL for his enitre tenure of what? 15 years or so. He was consistent in his coaching and had a great nucleus of players for most of the 2000's decade up until he stepped down.

Whoever took over was to benefit from that.

[feltdizz]

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Also in Cowher's defense, I believe he had the best record in the NFL for his enitre tenure of what? 15 years or so. He was consistent in his coaching and had a great nucleus of players for most of the 2000's decade up until he stepped down.

Whoever took over was to benefit from that.

or completely muck it up...

[Chadman]

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Chadman has never had a problem with LVG- so long as you are not insulting to other posters, you're entitled to an opinion, no matter how right or wrong you are.

There are some posters that ONLY post after a loss- 'truefan' comes to mind- LVG posts after losses & wins, so it's hard to say that he's anti-steelers, he's here for the good & bad.

Any dislike for Tomlin, FWP, Woodley or any other player is fine- again, so long as it's not insulting to other posters. Chadman has personally had an issue with the abilities of the Steelers CB's for a few years- sometimes Chadman's issues are backed up by poor play from the CB's, sometimes they show Chadman up. Being a Steeler fan isn't about being completely in love with everything that happens in the club. It's about wanting the best for the black & gold.

Now- the Cowher/Tomlin debate.... firstly, Cowher's record speaks for itself- a hugely successful HC & a Steeler legend. Could he have won more SB's? Perhaps, if he hadn't shown so much faith in some players. Chadman wanted Cowher replaced when he left- not because Cowher 'sucked', but because the Steelers stopped playing FOR HIM, and he didn't seem to care. That just shows that he'd had enough. Did Tomlin inherit a great team? Yes & no. There were issues with the roster- decisions that needed to be made, to freshen up the squad & make them competitive once more. The pieces were in place, they just needed....tweeking. And last year showed that Tomlin can 'tweek'. we'll start to see in the next year or so if Tomlin can produce a team of his own, but for now he is overseeing the transition of old players to young- a challenge in itself. Tomlin doesn't 'suck', but it's hard to claim him as 'great' at this point too. Chadman likes what he sees though, as a roster manager. As a HC, on game day, yeah, there are some areas he can improve- but he's young in terms of coaching- experience will most likely make him better. If he's making the same mistakes in 5 years time, there's a problem.

[NKySteeler]

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Personally, I think we all like everything as long as it goes smoothly... If the road gets rough, everyone has opinions as to where blame should fall, and that's rightly so... I personally think there have been a few poor coaching decisions made as well in past weeks, but that is also acceptable given that we have a young coach and he is still developing IMO, and is only going to get better from the great start he's had... I wouldn't change it for anything. I seem to recall a message I got shortly after the season (or maybe during the playoffs) about accepting Tomlin, so I take some of this with a grain of salt... Cowher is gone, and comparison might as well be made to Noll because both are in the past... It will get better (not that it's too darn bad right now... It could be alot worse). I have faith...



As for Parker, I don't think he is utilized appropriately, and that is part of the problem. Part of it... But he isn't running as of old IMO. We also drafted Mendy for a reason, and to expect him to sit behind Parker if Willy is healthy is crazy. That would be a poor use of a draft pick IMO.

Everyone this side of Rio knows I am not an Arians supporter. It's not because of one or two weeks of poor performance, but much more. I have no issue with people telling me I'm f**ked in the head for it... But LeBeau gets a mulligan in my book. He is without possibly the biggest "gamechanger" in his schemes right now. If it persists, then someone more knowledgable than me needs to ask what the problem is, and why there is suddenly no qb pressure from this group... But LeBeau is possibly the greatest DC ever in my opinion, and to cast too much too soon is not a rational idea. But that's just me...

Basically, I just want to say that opinions are what makes a board go 'round. And as my mother used to tell me (actually she still does), "it's not what you say, but how you say it that will effect people".... Nothing wrong with pointing-out deficiencies in our team if they exist IMO.

[stlrz d]

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Chadman has never had a problem with LVG- so long as you are not insulting to other posters, you're entitled to an opinion, no matter how right or wrong you are.

There are some posters that ONLY post after a loss- 'truefan' comes to mind- LVG posts after losses & wins, so it's hard to say that he's anti-steelers, he's here for the good & bad.

Any dislike for Tomlin, FWP, Woodley or any other player is fine- again, so long as it's not insulting to other posters. Chadman has personally had an issue with the abilities of the Steelers CB's for a few years- sometimes Chadman's issues are backed up by poor play from the CB's, sometimes they show Chadman up. Being a Steeler fan isn't about being completely in love with everything that happens in the club. It's about wanting the best for the black & gold.

Now- the Cowher/Tomlin debate.... firstly, Cowher's record speaks for itself- a hugely successful HC & a Steeler legend. Could he have won more SB's? Perhaps, if he hadn't shown so much faith in some players. Chadman wanted Cowher replaced when he left- not because Cowher 'sucked', but because the Steelers stopped playing FOR HIM, and he didn't seem to care. That just shows that he'd had enough. Did Tomlin inherit a great team? Yes & no. There were issues with the roster- decisions that needed to be made, to freshen up the squad & make them competitive once more. The pieces were in place, they just needed....tweeking. And last year showed that Tomlin can 'tweek'. we'll start to see in the next year or so if Tomlin can produce a team of his own, but for now he is overseeing the transition of old players to young- a challenge in itself. Tomlin doesn't 'suck', but it's hard to claim him as 'great' at this point too. Chadman likes what he sees though, as a roster manager. As a HC, on game day, yeah, there are some areas he can improve- but he's young in terms of coaching- experience will most likely make him better. If he's making the same mistakes in 5 years time, there's a problem.

With all due respect I don't think you've honestly paid it close enough attention over the last few years.

He's here to bitch after losses...and even after a win he only shows up to complain about something or to say that he was right about something that he was bitching about previously. Which in this case is Parker. Mendy had one good game against a team that we have historically run well against...but it's "I told you so" time now. He's bitched about Tomlin's hiring since day one. If there is an issue or a loss it is because of Tomlin. If credit is deserved it's directed every where but Tomlin's way.

LVG has proved himself to be racist and hateful back on the trib forum and it's carried over to this one. He joined another board started by Kipper and Toro and the reason I stayed away from that forum was because of him...even though I was invited by a few decent folks to go there. He can spew all his hateful, racist childish crap all he wants there...this is a place where grown ups talk...we don't need his kind of crap here.

[NKySteeler]

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I will also say that I like LVG, and have met him personally. His love for the Steelers should never be questioned. We all are entitled to varying opinions.... I also like stlrz d, and have talked to him via phone, and his love for the Steelers, or opinions should never be questioned either.... Thus said, everyone should enjoy the reason everyone posts here and use the different opinions as a method of "growth of knowledge and/or perception"... I'll back out of this now and shut my pie-hole....

[Chadman]

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I will also say that I like LVG, and have met him personally. His love for the Steelers should never be questioned. We all are entitled to varying opinions.... I also like stlrz d, and have talked to him via phone, and his love for the Steelers, or opinions should never be questioned either.... Thus said, everyone should enjoy the reason everyone posts here and use the different opinions as a method of "growth of knowledge and/or perception"... I'll back out of this now and shut my pie-hole....

Shut up NKY you righteous S.O.B.!!!!