Ever notice...

[NC Steeler Fan]

Re: Ever notice...

You shot Bambi!

Just kidding, I live in WV, we eat Bambi off the interstate. LMAO!

No...she shot Bambi's mom. Girl on girl crime. Almost an interspecies cat fight.

BTW, I think the pink turtleneck kind of ruins the whole concept of camoflauge. It is difficult to pretend that you are a tree with a fuchsia-colored neck-line showing through.

Dude, I had a full, camoflauged face and head cover on going to the stand and
while I was up the tree. It has a cowl that drapes down onto the shoulders.

You don't think that shiney, white face wouldn't spook a deer too?

[LasVegasGuy]

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It's still is a group of players mostly from the Cowher era. You can't say it isn't. Go down through the roster and take a look.

Yes, as each year passes, there is more turnover, but there are still (without going down through the roster) close to 15 starters that are from the old regime.

On O the new starters not from the Cowher era are Hartwig and C. Davis.

On D you have Woodley, Timmons, and Gay.

The rest were already here.

Just be realistic.

I never understood why this was such a big deal. Name one coach who fired 53 players and started over. Tomlins job is to keep winning..

I could see if Cowher had 4 rings but he lost a ton of AFCCG's.. his era was filled with great a win % and a dismal AFCCG record.

But in Cowher's defense the minute he was given a franchise quarterback he won a Super Bowl. The same franchise quarterback that Tomlin has today. Plus, he ran up against some pretty good Patriot teams and John Elway.

please the minute he was GIVEN a franchise qb? cowher didnt even want ben, it was all dan rooney with picking ben. if cowher had his way he would of drafted differently and would have never won a sb

He was eyeballing Philip Rivers that year (NC State guy) and was dissapointed when he was selected 4th. To say he didn't want Ben is a bit of a reach especially when you consider we had Tommy Maddox. I'm sure they didn't hold a gun to his head and forced Ben on him.

[LasVegasGuy]

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Also in Cowher's defense, I believe he had the best record in the NFL for his enitre tenure of what? 15 years or so. He was consistent in his coaching and had a great nucleus of players for most of the 2000's decade up until he stepped down.

Whoever took over was to benefit from that.

the same could be said about cowher when he took over for chuck noll. the steelers were a solid team, not great but solid when cowher became the head coach. you can always use the same arguement for any coach that has taken over a good team

Come back to us when Tomlin keeps the ship straight for 15 years. By the time Cowher retired Nolls team were already grandparents and we were still winning.

[frankthetank1]

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It's still is a group of players mostly from the Cowher era. You can't say it isn't. Go down through the roster and take a look.

Yes, as each year passes, there is more turnover, but there are still (without going down through the roster) close to 15 starters that are from the old regime.

On O the new starters not from the Cowher era are Hartwig and C. Davis.

On D you have Woodley, Timmons, and Gay.

The rest were already here.

Just be realistic.

I never understood why this was such a big deal. Name one coach who fired 53 players and started over. Tomlins job is to keep winning..

I could see if Cowher had 4 rings but he lost a ton of AFCCG's.. his era was filled with great a win % and a dismal AFCCG record.

But in Cowher's defense the minute he was given a franchise quarterback he won a Super Bowl. The same franchise quarterback that Tomlin has today. Plus, he ran up against some pretty good Patriot teams and John Elway.

please the minute he was GIVEN a franchise qb? cowher didnt even want ben, it was all dan rooney with picking ben. if cowher had his way he would of drafted differently and would have never won a sb

He was eyeballing Philip Rivers that year (NC State guy) and was dissapointed when he was selected 4th. To say he didn't want Ben is a bit of a reach especially when you consider we had Tommy Maddox. I'm sure they didn't hold a gun to his head and forced Ben on him.

so why give cowher the benefit of the doubt and never give tomlin the same? so what if we had tommy maddox. we had korkie all those years and never drafted a decent qb. again you have to blame cowher a good deal for that one too. rivers is a good qb but he definetly is no ben. how many games has rivers won in the postseason? a couple maybe?

[snarky]

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Everything I've read about it says that Cowher wanted Shawn Andrews and that Rooney and Colbert over-ruled him.

[Oviedo]

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Everything I've read about it says that Cowher wanted Shawn Andrews and that Rooney and Colbert over-ruled him.

That is also consistent with everything I have heard.

[LasVegasGuy]

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so why give cowher the benefit of the doubt and never give tomlin the same? so what if we had tommy maddox. we had korkie all those years and never drafted a decent qb. again you have to blame cowher a good deal for that one too. rivers is a good qb but he definetly is no ben. how many games has rivers won in the postseason? a couple maybe?

We were basically a playoff team every year regardless of who we had at quarterback. Whether or not we needed a change at the quarterback position is up for debate. Kinda the same thing that is going on with Arians. Do you fire the offensive coordinator after a Super Bowl win? I say fire him and some people say you just can't do that. The same thing happened with Korkie and Tommy. Cowher didn't consider drafting a quarterback because we were going to the playoffs each year? I believe if Cowher would have replaced these guys early on he may have a few more Super Bowl appearances to add to his resume.

[Oviedo]

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You shot Bambi!

Just kidding, I live in WV, we eat Bambi off the interstate. LMAO!

No...she shot Bambi's mom. Girl on girl crime. Almost an interspecies cat fight.

BTW, I think the pink turtleneck kind of ruins the whole concept of camoflauge. It is difficult to pretend that you are a tree with a fuchsia-colored neck-line showing through.

Fortunately deer are color blind.

However using a high powered rifle to kill and unarmed animal is hardly a sport. Would be more impressed to see an arrow sticking out of the deer or a flintlock musket on her back.

[LasVegasGuy]

Re: Ever notice...

You shot Bambi!

Just kidding, I live in WV, we eat Bambi off the interstate. LMAO!

No...she shot Bambi's mom. Girl on girl crime. Almost an interspecies cat fight.

BTW, I think the pink turtleneck kind of ruins the whole concept of camoflauge. It is difficult to pretend that you are a tree with a fuchsia-colored neck-line showing through.

Fortunately deer are color blind.

However using a high powered rifle to kill and unarmed animal is hardly a sport. Would be more impressed to see an arrow sticking out of the deer or a flintlock musket on her back.

For once we agree.

[frankthetank1]

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so why give cowher the benefit of the doubt and never give tomlin the same? so what if we had tommy maddox. we had korkie all those years and never drafted a decent qb. again you have to blame cowher a good deal for that one too. rivers is a good qb but he definetly is no ben. how many games has rivers won in the postseason? a couple maybe?

We were basically a playoff team every year regardless of who we had at quarterback. Whether or not we needed a change at the quarterback position is up for debate. Kinda the same thing that is going on with Arians. Do you fire the offensive coordinator after a Super Bowl win? I say fire him and some people say you just can't do that. The same thing happened with Korkie and Tommy. Cowher didn't consider drafting a quarterback because we were going to the playoffs each year? I believe if Cowher would have replaced these guys early on he may have a few more Super Bowl appearances to add to his resume.

i agree i think if cowher got a good qb earlier he would have more rings. i dont think there was ever a debate on wether or not a change at qb should have been made. korkie had one good year and that was pretty much it. well in regards to arians this season the offense has put up some unbelievable problem. besides one game against the leagues elite run stopping defense the offense has been excellent.

[snarky]

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Come back to us when Tomlin keeps the ship straight for 15 years. By the time Cowher retired Nolls team were already grandparents and we were still winning.

Well, Tomlin is two for two as far as making the playoffs. So I think if you are going to pull out the old 'get back to me in a decade or two' then you should wait until Tomlin falls below BC's in at least one of the following stats before saying the guy can't coach

1. average for making the playoffs
2. playoff winning percentage
3. playoff wins per year
4. percentage of time winning the division
5. regular season winning percentage
6. SB wins per year

Because, of course a third year coach is not going to have fifteen years of success - he hasn't been coaching that long. He isn't going to have 150 career wins because he's only coached 36 games at this point. So you are setting up a ridiculous (in the true sense of the word) criteria.

Seriously, is there any objective definition of coaching success in which Tomlin is actually behind Cowher other than something like total career wins or total career playoff wins.

[NC Steeler Fan]

Re: Ever notice...

You shot Bambi!

Just kidding, I live in WV, we eat Bambi off the interstate. LMAO!

No...she shot Bambi's mom. Girl on girl crime. Almost an interspecies cat fight.

BTW, I think the pink turtleneck kind of ruins the whole concept of camoflauge. It is difficult to pretend that you are a tree with a fuchsia-colored neck-line showing through.

Fortunately deer are color blind.

However using a high powered rifle to kill and unarmed animal is hardly a sport. Would be more impressed to see an arrow sticking out of the deer or a flintlock musket on her back.

For once we agree.

Bullchiiiiit...

Spoken like non-deer hunters. Busting a DECENT doe is tough.

Those skinny, spindly, city deer that so many of you are familiar with are easy prey.
But, they don't have any meat on them and are not worth cleaning.

Out in the woods, an old doe with meat on her will actually let her fawns walk out into
an open field to see if anything goes after them before she breaks the cover of
the woods to graze herself.

Even good bucks in rut are dumber than big, fat old does. A buck will stumble out into a
clearing to check a mock scrape in heartbeat, as opposed to the doe who will see you long before you ever see her, no matter how still or scent-free you are and how closely you are listening for the slightest hint of movement near you.

As for the weapon of choice, I prefer a quick, clean, sure kill hunting in thicker cover. Not everyone hunts in high fence, park-like settings like you see on TV you know.

S'kay. I'm used to the lack of knowledge out there...

[Oviedo]

Re: Ever notice...

You shot Bambi!

Just kidding, I live in WV, we eat Bambi off the interstate. LMAO!

No...she shot Bambi's mom. Girl on girl crime. Almost an interspecies cat fight.

BTW, I think the pink turtleneck kind of ruins the whole concept of camoflauge. It is difficult to pretend that you are a tree with a fuchsia-colored neck-line showing through.

Fortunately deer are color blind.

However using a high powered rifle to kill and unarmed animal is hardly a sport. Would be more impressed to see an arrow sticking out of the deer or a flintlock musket on her back.

For once we agree.

Let me reevaluate my position

[ikestops85]

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I think Cowher was a great coach and loved him. One of the best motivational coaches of all time. To me he did more with less than any coach around during his coaching days. I believe many over estimate the talent he had to work with. He had very few "stars" at the skill positions during his tenure. He never had a QB that he could turn the game over to and have him win it. That's the reason I think he didn't have more championship seasons.

However, I don't think he was much of an X and O type of coach. He wasn't a perfect coach by any means. He was out coached in quite a few big games and the reason he did win a championship was he finally let his coordinators do their job that year and that enabled us to out coach our opponents. Other years it seemed like his testicles shrunk up inside him and we would play that "turtle" ball type of game which is hard to win against the type of opponents you face in conference championship games or SBs.

I have to say Tomlin was not my choice for the head coaching job. However, I have liked him from the first time I heard him speak and I like him more every time I hear him. He holds his players, his coaching staff and himself accountable which is something I love about him. The players seem to respect him and want to play for him. He also is not a perfect coach and is the first one to admit it. After his first season he said that he had a lot to improve on. I think he has done that.

I give Tomlin a lot of credit for the job he has done. Not as much credit as Cowher because he hasn't been around that long but I think he has done a good enough job to get a contract extension of 4 or 5 years. Of course all this is JMHO.

[Oviedo]

Re: Ever notice...

You shot Bambi!

Just kidding, I live in WV, we eat Bambi off the interstate. LMAO!

No...she shot Bambi's mom. Girl on girl crime. Almost an interspecies cat fight.

BTW, I think the pink turtleneck kind of ruins the whole concept of camoflauge. It is difficult to pretend that you are a tree with a fuchsia-colored neck-line showing through.

Fortunately deer are color blind.

However using a high powered rifle to kill and unarmed animal is hardly a sport. Would be more impressed to see an arrow sticking out of the deer or a flintlock musket on her back.

For once we agree.

Bullchiiiiit...

Spoken like non-deer hunters. Busting a DECENT doe is tough.

Those skinny, spindly, city deer that so many of you are familiar with are easy prey.
But, they don't have any meat on them and are not worth cleaning.

Out in the woods, an old doe with meat on her will actually let her fawns walk out into
an open field to see if anything goes after them before she breaks the cover of
the woods to graze herself.

Even good bucks in rut are dumber than big, fat old does. A buck will stumble out into a
clearing to check a mock scrape in heartbeat, as opposed to the doe who will see you long before you ever see her, no matter how still or scent-free you are and how closely you are listening for the slightest hint of movement near you.

As for the weapon of choice, I prefer a quick, clean, sure kill hunting in thicker cover. Not everyone hunts in high fence, park-like settings like you see on TV you know.

S'kay. I'm used to the lack of knowledge out there...

Sorry to bust your little pink bubble but I started hunting when I was 12 years old.

I just realized that sport meant something that was competitive and difficult. Let's see high powered rifle that will shoot 600 yards plus. High powered optics so the target looks like it is 20 yards away. Multi round magazine just in case you aren't really that good a shot. I'd cut you a break if you had at least tried with open sights but I guess girls just aren't that good a shot

Be honest. Until deer start wearing flack jackets and can plant anti-personnel mines and claymores along your path to deer stands it is hardly a sport.