Shades better than McVay?

[Joel Buchsbaum]

yeah, its hard to be up for the first game of a new season after winning a SB. Especially when Stafford has been limited with that elbow.

Bills are on a mission and still fuming from last year. I wouldn’t put to much stock into the first game though, its a long season.

One thing I will say is Von Miller isn’t done. Dude is off to a nice start and maybe that contract is justified, I truly thought he was long in the tooth for a contract that big.

I agree Von Miller isn't done. I would put a lot of stock in the game. The Bills just beat the defending super bowl champions badly in their house. A big road win. Josh Allen looked really good last night. He has reached his potential. There isn't a QB like him. Did you see him face plant that defender?! He can run. He's big, he can throw on the run or in the pocket with accuracy and zip. He has a top 5 arm in the NFL. And his leadership has reached a point of maturity. He wasn't smiling much last night, rather he expects that. Very impressive perfomance.

[Northern_Blitz]

Mcvey took responsibility for the loss. He said it's one me. Tomlin never says this. Not once in 15 years. One of the differences between the two men.

Joel. You are not correct. I think it's just that you are so locked in to your current belief that you never hear him when he says it. Because hearing him say it would mean that you'd have to admit that you're wrong about this.

After a few millisecond on google, I found this.

Wild Card Loss to Browns: "We didn't perform well enough tonight. Not coaching. Not playing."

Tomlin on failed fake FG (I think the one where Boz go hurt?): "I take responsibility for it. I shouldn't have called it unless we were going to execute it with detailed execution and it's obvious that we weren't. And so that's on me."

https://www.nbcsports.com/video/mike-tomlin-takes-responsibility-failed-fake-field-goal-attempt

Also Mike Tomlin: "I take responsibility for everything we do both good, bad, and indifferent."

https://www.steelcityunderground.com/2018/12/10/tomlin-postgame-i-take-responsibility-for-everything-we-do-both-good-bad-indifferent/

Re: Team culture in 2019: "I accept responsibility and I foster and develop every aspect of our culture, so that's this game. That's leadership. You Embrace and respect and honor all aspects of that..."

https://steelersdepot.com/2019/01/mike-tomlin-i-accept-responsibility-for-culture-open-to-making-changes/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CI%20accept%20responsibility%20and%20I,asked%20to%20address%20the%20topic.

[Oviedo]

Joel. You are not correct. I think it's just that you are so locked in to your current belief that you never hear him when he says it. Because hearing him say it would mean that you'd have to admit that you're wrong about this.

After a few millisecond on google, I found this.

Wild Card Loss to Browns: "We didn't perform well enough tonight. Not coaching. Not playing."

Tomlin on failed fake FG (I think the one where Boz go hurt?): "I take responsibility for it. I shouldn't have called it unless we were going to execute it with detailed execution and it's obvious that we weren't. And so that's on me."

https://www.nbcsports.com/video/mike-tomlin-takes-responsibility-failed-fake-field-goal-attempt

Also Mike Tomlin: "I take responsibility for everything we do both good, bad, and indifferent."

https://www.steelcityunderground.com/2018/12/10/tomlin-postgame-i-take-responsibility-for-everything-we-do-both-good-bad-indifferent/

Re: Team culture in 2019: "I accept responsibility and I foster and develop every aspect of our culture, so that's this game. That's leadership. You Embrace and respect and honor all aspects of that..."
https://steelersdepot.com/2019/01/mi...20the%20topic.

Don't present facts

[Joel Buchsbaum]

Joel. You are not correct. I think it's just that you are so locked in to your current belief that you never hear him when he says it. Because hearing him say it would mean that you'd have to admit that you're wrong about this.

After a few millisecond on google, I found this.

Wild Card Loss to Browns: "We didn't perform well enough tonight. Not coaching. Not playing."

Tomlin on failed fake FG (I think the one where Boz go hurt?): "I take responsibility for it. I shouldn't have called it unless we were going to execute it with detailed execution and it's obvious that we weren't. And so that's on me."

https://www.nbcsports.com/video/mike-tomlin-takes-responsibility-failed-fake-field-goal-attempt

Also Mike Tomlin: "I take responsibility for everything we do both good, bad, and indifferent."

https://www.steelcityunderground.com/2018/12/10/tomlin-postgame-i-take-responsibility-for-everything-we-do-both-good-bad-indifferent/

Re: Team culture in 2019: "I accept responsibility and I foster and develop every aspect of our culture, so that's this game. That's leadership. You Embrace and respect and honor all aspects of that..."
https://steelersdepot.com/2019/01/mi...20the%20topic.

Did he say ME, or just refer to the coaching staff for the game? Okay he did take some responsibility for a failed field goal.

[feltdizz]

Did he way ME, or just refer to the coaching staff for the game? Okay he did take some responsibility for a failed field goal.

and this is why folks don’t take you seriously.

Facts are presented and you respond with “where did he say exactly what I wanted?”

Tomlin says “I take responsibility” and you ask “where does he way (say) ME?” Either you are an idiot or a great actor. Sorry to question your intelligence but when you post a dumb question it needs to be pointed out.

Tomlin is the HC. The wins AND losses go on his resume.

Its extremely weird to see another coach lose and find a way to praise him and use it against Tomlin.

[TheRealTazz864]

Did he way ME, or just refer to the coaching staff for the game? Okay he did take some responsibility for a failed field goal.

He did not way "ME," but he did SAY "ME..." When you claim Tomlin "NEVER" takes responsibility, it only takes one example to prove you're wrong...

[Northern_Blitz]

and this is why folks don’t take you seriously.

Facts are presented and you respond with “where did he say exactly what I wanted?”

Tomlin says “I take responsibility” and you ask “where does he way (say) ME?” Either you are an idiot or a great actor. Sorry to question your intelligence but when you post a dumb question it needs to be pointed out.

Tomlin is the HC. The wins AND losses go on his resume.

Its extremely weird to see another coach lose and find a way to praise him and use it against Tomlin.

This.

I think it's unfortunate that people think saying "I was wrong about <insert thing here>" is a sign of weakness instead of a sign of strength.

Also, saying "And so that's on me" requires that he did in fact say "me". It's in the 2nd example in what I posted...I even made it gold for you.

[Rocky Mtn]

I agree Von Miller isn't done. I would put a lot of stock in the game. The Bills just beat the defending super bowl champions badly in their house. A big road win. Josh Allen looked really good last night. He has reached his potential. There isn't a QB like him. Did you see him face plant that defender?! He can run. He's big, he can throw on the run or in the pocket with accuracy and zip. He has a top 5 arm in the NFL. And his leadership has reached a point of maturity. He wasn't smiling much last night, rather he expects that. Very impressive perfomance.

He appears to be the absolute prototype

[feltdizz]

This.

I think it's unfortunate that people think saying "I was wrong about <insert thing here>" is a sign of weakness instead of a sign of strength.

Also, saying "And so that's on me" requires that he did in fact say "me". It's in the 2nd example in what I posted...I even made it gold for you.

everyone else can see him taking responsibility but only the Tomlin basher need EXACT word formatting or it doesn’t count..lol

who really has a hard time taking responsibility?

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

This is such a ridiculous thread it is politics on Twitter level ridiculous.

If we start with the premise that Tomlin is a bad coach, why do we use McVey, one of the best young coaches in the game as a comparison? If we want to talk about how awful he is we should be comparing him to a bad coach, not a good coach, and when he compares poorly then there is a reasonable argument against him.

when that fails, we see points like Tomlin isn't as good as McVey because McVey takes responsibility after his team lays an egg. Is that now the mark of a good coach? If a team goes 0-17 but after every game the coach takes the blame then he would be the greatest coach in the league!

Tomlin gets way too much discussion on this board, despite the fact that a Head Coach should be talked about a lot. However, to blame/credit him for every draft pick, every individual player development, the accuracy of every quote, the given timeline of every injury and how it is reported is ridiculous, and just shows how far people will go to inject him into the conversation.

[Captain Lemming]

to blame/credit him...

Close but I think it is ONLY the "blame" part he gets.
People argue Watt and Pickett COULD NEVER be Tomlins choices.

Just like ignoring the fact that Tomlin ROUTINELY takes responsibility, for bad decisions, if it does not fit the fire Tomlin agenda they just make up what they WANT to believe.

I don't disrespect people who want a change. Heck, at one point it was time to move on from Noll. I do take issue with dismissing every Tomlin accomplishment, or making stuff up that is simply false in pursuit of a false narrative.

[Captain Lemming]

This is such a ridiculous thread it is politics on Twitter level ridiculous.

If we start with the premise that Tomlin is a bad coach, why do we use McVey, one of the best young coaches in the game as a comparison? If we want to talk about how awful he is we should be comparing him to a bad coach, not a good coach, and when he compares poorly then there is a reasonable argument against him.

when that fails, we see points like Tomlin isn't as good as McVey because McVey takes responsibility after his team lays an egg. Is that now the mark of a good coach? If a team goes 0-17 but after every game the coach takes the blame then he would be the greatest coach in the league!

Tomlin gets way too much discussion on this board, despite the fact that a Head Coach should be talked about a lot. However, to blame/credit him for every draft pick, every individual player development, the accuracy of every quote, the given timeline of every injury and how it is reported is ridiculous, and just shows how far people will go to inject him into the conversation.

Should have never kept Ben beyond his rookie contract. He is no Tom Brady.

[NorthCoast]

Yea Von Miller had "it" for game 1. We will see if he can keep up this pace throughout the entire season.

He was playing against a LT ranked lower than Dan Moore in preseason. Miller had better have 'it' facing that scrub.

[Northern_Blitz]

Should have never kept Ben beyond his rookie contract. He is no Tom Brady.

For the "SB are the only thing that matters" crowd, it's probably more like beyond his 2nd contract.

[feltdizz]

This is such a ridiculous thread it is politics on Twitter level ridiculous.

If we start with the premise that Tomlin is a bad coach, why do we use McVey, one of the best young coaches in the game as a comparison? If we want to talk about how awful he is we should be comparing him to a bad coach, not a good coach, and when he compares poorly then there is a reasonable argument against him.

when that fails, we see points like Tomlin isn't as good as McVey because McVey takes responsibility after his team lays an egg. Is that now the mark of a good coach? If a team goes 0-17 but after every game the coach takes the blame then he would be the greatest coach in the league!

Tomlin gets way too much discussion on this board, despite the fact that a Head Coach should be talked about a lot. However, to blame/credit him for every draft pick, every individual player development, the accuracy of every quote, the given timeline of every injury and how it is reported is ridiculous, and just shows how far people will go to inject him into the conversation.

I believe we know the reason for that and its not because Tomlin is the head coach.

I know there is a portion of fans that always blame the coach for everything but I do wonder if those fans of other teams blame the head coach for a player getting a DUI or an injury being worse than first mentioned after a practice.

The nitpicking is ridiculous on here. Even when we didn’t draft Willis these folks tried to blame Tomlin for not having enough power to draft him. Just weird.