Paul Zeise: Steelers' standard under Mike Tomlin has been lowered

[hawaiiansteel]

You sit around and hold your dicks all day and squirt off

many of the "ball washers"and some ball washing fans

this is something you like to think and talk about often, huh?

[WindyCitySteel]

Which begs the question why was Cowher drafting the likes of Tee Martin instead of Brees?

Question is why Martin over Brady, not Brees. 5th and 6th round QBs are long term projects, if he was looking for a starter maybe he looks at Brees.

[WindyCitySteel]

- Mark Brunell
- Jake Plummer
- Charlie Batch
- Tom Brady

That's about it, shockingly.

I went through all of the Cowher drafts, there were slim pickings at QB where they were drafting. He didn't pass on any first rounders that became stars.

[Bawb the Revelator]

I won't pretend to have been a Tomlin fan or, for that matter, a Rooney fan during my 73 "Steeler Sentient Years" since age 10
But once Dan hired Noll who then drafted Greene and Bradshaw and got one Super Fortunate 1975 Draft where even late round
Donnie Shell is an NFL HOFerb Big Fun Happened. That written, Tomlin's starting his 16th year and doesn't want to spend his final years doing a top to bottom
team rebuild. Age 83, I don't blame him! OTOH, NOBODY HAS EVER BEATEN TIME and I'm a living witness That's just the cold reality.
Here's a Malik Willis YouTube although any of 2022's top QB prospects could fit here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhIjCt8SfK4

I'd like another Super Bowl win before I check out too. But reality tells me the only 21st century TRUE STEELER REBUILD begins with the offensive line, WR, DB and above all Best Player Available. Cheers an' 'at

[Steel Maniac]

Question is why Martin over Brady, not Brees. 5th and 6th round QBs are long term projects, if he was looking for a starter maybe he looks at Brees.

Tee Martin had national championship pedigree when Tennessee won by beating Michael Vick .

[Steel Maniac]

I went through all of the Cowher drafts, there were slim pickings at QB where they were drafting. He didn't pass on any first rounders that became stars.

They attack Ciwher for not having a QB yet not once do they mention the GM; who’s job that primarily falls on.

Let me teach …

When a team is lacking in an area; the replenishment of that area of weakness is the primary responsibility of the GM (Colbert).

[LPMAN]

I went through all of the Cowher drafts, there were slim pickings at QB where they were drafting. He didn't pass on any first rounders that became stars.

No not first rounders but he could have drafted Tom Brady in 2000 or traded for someone like Kurt Warner before he became a starter. I mean Warner did light up NFL Europe. But that takes foresight. Something i'm hoping our current Steelers might be able to pull off. Like trading the Falcons for an unwanted Brett Favre. Not every great QB is drafted round 1.

[NorthCoast]

They attack Ciwher for not having a QB yet not once do they mention the GM; who’s job that primarily falls on.

Let me teach …

When a team is lacking in an area; the replenishment of that area of weakness is the primary responsibility of the GM (Colbert).

Cowher had his original GM fired. He got what he wanted in Colbert.

[Northern_Blitz]

People wanted Cowher fired. Especially, "The Legion of Doom".

I don't need to go through some of the issues (Cowher cushion, owned by BB, ect) of the Cowher era that people expressed on forums. Simply put, some fans wanted him fired and never believed he would help the organization win a championship. Last laugh on Cowher SB winning coach and HOFer. Now he is looked upon as a good/great coach. The same will happen with Tomlin.

This.

Ben too. Because not that he's retired, I'll think way more about the great games he had and all the awesome memories. Instead of grappling with the likelihood that he'd never win again because he either (i) throws too many picks or (ii) doesn't take any chances. Not I can just be happy with the unbelievably good career he had instead of always wanting more from him.

I think it's exactly the same with Tomlin (and was exactly the same with Cowher).

[Northern_Blitz]

Except Tomlin will be known as the HC that only could win with cowhers players and coaches.
Deep down, Tomlin knows this also.

Did Cowher know deep down that he was a guy that could just never, ever win on the biggest state?

[Northern_Blitz]

I went through all of the Cowher drafts, there were slim pickings at QB where they were drafting. He didn't pass on any first rounders that became stars.

Probably because (i) there aren't many franchise QBs, (ii) they probably tend to go early, (iii) Cowher - like Tomlin - was consistently successful and tended not to pick early.

We only got Ben because we had a bad year (for us...still didn't pick super early), it was among the best QB classes ever, and the owner forced Cowher to pick a QB.

[NorthCoast]

Probably because (i) there aren't many franchise QBs, (ii) they probably tend to go early, (iii) Cowher - like Tomlin - was consistently successful and tended not to pick early.

We only got Ben because we had a bad year (for us...still didn't pick super early), it was among the best QB classes ever, and the owner forced Cowher to pick a QB.

That last part really stings. When he finally got his chance for that QB Cowher was looking elsewhere in the draft. Fortune smiled on us fans that day when Rooney stepped in.

[Steel Maniac]

That last part really stings. When he finally got his chance for that QB Cowher was looking elsewhere in the draft. Fortune smiled on us fans that day when Rooney stepped in.

Again… the constant ignoring of Colbert in your discussion makes it null and void. It is the GM’s primary job to get the team what it needs.

Stop blaming Cowher for something that is not his primary job.

***Yet , when a team is constantly is unprepared and getting blown out playoff game after playoff game , you say it isn’t the coaches job to have a team prepared to play a playoff game.

This is why I have no long dialog anymore. No consistency in thinking.

Go write down what a GM’s responsibilities are and then go write down a head coaches responsibilities.

[hawaiiansteel]

You sit around and hold your dicks all day and squirt off

Lololol

Dude, what's with the constant sexual references?

you really need to stop watching so much gay porn...

[Captain Lemming]

Again… the constant ignoring of Colbert in your discussion makes it null and void. It is the GM’s primary job to get the team what it needs.

Stop blaming Cowher for something that is not his primary job.

***Yet , when a team is constantly is unprepared and getting blown out playoff game after playoff game , you say it isn’t the coaches job to have a team prepared to play a playoff game.

This is why I have no long dialog anymore. No consistency in thinking.

Go write down what a GM’s responsibilities are and then go write down a head coaches responsibilities.

Agreed.

Stop CREDITING Cowher for something that is not his primary job. They are NOT Cowhers players.

Tomlin "coached" the same players Cowher coached better than Cowher did.

They are Rooneys team.

I take no issue with assigning responsibility to Tomlin for having the team unprepared in recent playoff failures.

But consistency demands credit for having teams prepared when we win playoff games.

To give him no credit for having the team be prepared SPECIFICALLY to take any turnover to the house resulting in one of the greatest display of defensive blocking EVER resulting in the difference in winning and losing is ridiculous.