Tomlin

[whatever]

What I find incredible is those who criticize Rooney for his support of Tomlin. This is a man who literally has spent his ENTIRE life working at all levels of not only the Steelers but the NFL.

Yet there are posters who actually think they know more and have greater insights.

Be man enough to just say you hate Tomlin and you just make up rationale to try to prove your points

As soon as fans say they love Tomlin and just make up rationale to prove your points.

[whatever]

There you go again referencing a franchise QB as the one piece Cowher needed to win a SB. But what did Cowher do when the Steelers got to the playoffs that year? They took it out of Roethlisberger's hands. He attempted less than 25 passes in 3 out of 4 post season games. And he threw more INTs in that SB than he did TDs.

So why does Tomlin get passes for bens turnovers in the playoffs but cowher doesn’t?

[NorthCoast]

So why does Tomlin get passes for bens turnovers in the playoffs but cowher doesn’t?

He doesn't.

[feltdizz]

So why does Tomlin get passes for bens turnovers in the playoffs but cowher doesn’t?

Depends on who you talk to..

I’ve always said Ben fans who were upset when we were winning games with Ben only throwing 20 times were delusional.

Ben was amazing his rookie season but people forget about his playoff games vs the Jets and Pats.

He was amazing in the playoff run but in the SB... whew, he was not good.

Yet people act like Ben would’ve been slinging the football around 40 times a game efficiently if Cowher never retired.

I always felt like Ben and Cowher bumped heads and didn’t really get along. Especially with Ben and Cowher going wt it over injuries on the press.

I think Cowher leaving after his SB gave fans this delusional view of Cowher winning more SB’a if he didn’t retire. IMO Cowher was done. He tapped out.. it took him 15 years to finally get a ring and it wasn’t pretty. I could see Cowher with more .500 seasons if he remained the coach because I think his desire to coach left after he finally won a SB.

[Mr.wizard]

Our owner has major issues valuing politics over winning and can't seem to see his head coaches's flaws, which will become more apparent as Ben declines. That's right politics. Tomlin only hosted Hillary Clinton campaign in his house ordered and his team to vote on whether to come out of not for a game with a Bears ( And lost due partly the distractions per Ben). NEVER mix politics and football. His father was made an ambassador of Ireland. His father knew football. His son, I think isn't half the man he is. It's an open secert that many Steeler minority owners want a better head coach. With Tomlin extended three years, which is two years longer than our last playoff win, this team is going to bottom out.

Bottoming out should be no playoff wins for 5 seasons for the Steelers. New flash, that is happening. What sane owner would give a head coach a 3 year extension oder those terms? Examples please.

Free agency bleed this team thin, our schedule is brutal. We only play 5 playoff teams on the road next year. How's that going to work out for us? The OL and DB's are a mess, and it could take two full good drafts to re-bound. And Ben is approaching 40. Haskins and Rudy will get you no where. Don't assume Tomlin know how to hire an assistant, he doesn't. The flee from us or he makes them the scapegoat after hiring that person. His mistake.

Now can someone please tell me what he did to deserve a 3 year extension?

Oh here comes fox news again with his conspiracy theories.

[Mr.wizard]

Let me help you....

Once you see a coach has lost it (in Shula's case) you have to move on. So you just sit there 22 years after the fact and continue to hold on to nothing???? Change is always difficult my friend; and moving on to find the good head coach for your francise is difficult...but necessary none the less.

The example I'm using is how a fanbase stayed delusional for what a guy did over 20 years prior. They held on to him too long by an entire decade....thus passing on coaches who could have possibly brought them back. When you hold on to something too long, you let other viable opportunities (coaches) pass you by. That's where the dolphins made their mistake.

Tomlin has lost it?? Didnt we just win the division?

[Northern_Blitz]

Steel Maniac should just come back after Tomlin isn't our head coach anymore.

it would be better for everyone.

I disagree.

I think SM brings value to the board, especially on non Tomlin related stuff.

And even though I think his arguments re Tomlin aren't good, I still think it's good to hear them. I think his comments on my posts have helped improve my thinking.

I also think that SM has done a good job of not being a one trick pony, particularly in the last year.

Talking Tomlin on this thread makes sense because it's the topic.

But he hasn't generally made it the topic of every thread, especially in the last year.

Kind of an "I often disagree with what he says, but strongly support that he should be able to say it" kind of thing.

[flippy]

And in fact given the odds of reaching a SB year after year, some fans lives will be spent mostly in misery rather than joy if SBs are the only thing that matters.

Not calling you out specifically here, but I think this thinking is a bit flawed and we all do it.

EveryoneÂ’s got different DNA, experience in life, and different perspectives as a result.

The flaw is projecting how we would feel if we lived our lives like another person. But weÂ’re bringing a whole different set of our own baggage into that thought process leading us to assumptions that often arenÂ’t true.

Im obsessed with SuperBowls and winning shapes my thinking about things. And no one that knows me thinks IÂ’m miserable at all. I can vent and overreact with the best of them, but venting and getting out emotion is generally a healthy way to cope with life. Even our own Mike Tomlin says winning Lombardis is his goal every year. He doesnÂ’t seem miserable to me either.

I typically assume 99.9% of people are good and am always interest what drives other people. Most of the time when I really talk to someone, I usually learn that all people have gone thru loads of challenges and struggles in life and theyÂ’re waking up every day trying to cope the best they can.

Often these people arenÂ’t miserable in life. They have just learned to cope. ItÂ’s no different than you coping telling yourself SuperBowls arenÂ’t the be all end all of life.

Bottom line, weÂ’re all obsessed with the Steelers to a level that most people outside of our community would never likely understand. WeÂ’re all coping with something.

IÂ’m guilty of making assumptions all the time. I assume everyone is a passionate and crazy fan like me or otherwise they wouldnÂ’t be here.

Im personally more interested in the point of view of people who think different than me. Even when it seems irrational. I already know what I think and thatÂ’s boring to me. Always upward and onward.

And the real reason IÂ’m obsessed with SuperBowls as a fan is itÂ’s one more game. And winning is extra coverage. So there are rewards for fans and to some I can see why they would think fans that arenÂ’t obsessed with SuperBowls are nuts.

[Northern_Blitz]

As soon as fans say they love Tomlin and just make up rationale to prove your points.

I don't love Tomlin and I'd happily replace him if I thought replacing him was more likely than not to improve the team.

I think the data suggests that is not the case. Although the case is softening compared to say 5 years ago.

Hard (impossible?) to disentangle the HC and QB now, which is why I think this next 5 years will be interesting.

I'm happy to shift my support of the coach when I think the probability of it improving the team changes.

[Northern_Blitz]

Not calling you out specifically here, but I think this thinking is a bit flawed and we all do it.

EveryoneÂ’s got different DNA, experience in life, and different perspectives as a result.

The flaw is projecting how we would feel if we lived our lives like another person. But weÂ’re bringing a whole different set of our own baggage into that thought process leading us to assumptions that often arenÂ’t true.

Im obsessed with SuperBowls and winning shapes my thinking about things. And no one that knows me thinks IÂ’m miserable at all. I can vent and overreact with the best of them, but venting and getting out emotion is generally a healthy way to cope with life. Even our own Mike Tomlin says winning Lombardis is his goal every year. He doesnÂ’t seem miserable to me either.

I typically assume 99.9% of people are good and am always interest what drives other people. Most of the time when I really talk to someone, I usually learn that all people have gone thru loads of challenges and struggles in life and theyÂ’re waking up every day trying to cope the best they can.

Often these people arenÂ’t miserable in life. They have just learned to cope. ItÂ’s no different than you coping telling yourself SuperBowls arenÂ’t the be all end all of life.

Bottom line, weÂ’re all obsessed with the Steelers to a level that most people outside of our community would never likely understand. WeÂ’re all coping with something.

IÂ’m guilty of making assumptions all the time. I assume everyone is a passionate and crazy fan like me or otherwise they wouldnÂ’t be here.

Im personally more interested in the point of view of people who think different than me. Even when it seems irrational. I already know what I think and thatÂ’s boring to me. Always upward and onward.

And the real reason IÂ’m obsessed with SuperBowls as a fan is itÂ’s one more game. And winning is extra coverage. So there are rewards for fans and to some I can see why they would think fans that arenÂ’t obsessed with SuperBowls are nuts.

Nice post Flippy.

1) You can be obsessed with winning SBs and not have it be the only way to quantify success and failure. I think NC's point was that if you think anytime you don't win the SB is complete failure, you are almost always going to feel like the team is a complete failure.

2) I think you're 100% right about extrapolating posts on the internet to what people are like in real life. This is a big problem these days IMO (although I don't think NC was doing that specifically). Especially on platforms that entice people to faux outrage in an effort to collect likes...and then the outrage becomes real because it turns out that professing things publicly often makes us adopt those things instead of dealing with the cognitive dissonance of "I am an honest person" and "I lied about / massively exaggerated my thinking on that".

Doesn't help that talking to people irl is illegal in lots of places these days (hope Steelers fan in Toronto is doing OK with what sounds like very strict lockdown and seemingly crazy expanded police powers. I know many of my family in Ontario are struggling with isolation).

Steps down of soap box...

[Flasteel]

Are there any posters out there who are completely against Tomlin as the Steelers coach and who are also NOT Trump supporters? I have noticed very similar rhetoric between the Anti-Tomlin and Pro-Trump groups. Same words, same tone. Just curious as to the correlation.

[Terrapin]

the obsession with the SB is lame.

I like SB appearances but this constant reference to SB’s is just annoying.

“Don’t draft a position because when we won our last SB.. “

“Don’t celebrate a season unless its a SB”

We won 12 games but it doesn’t matter because we didn’t make a SB”

Fans have swallowed the kool aid. I get wanting to win SB’s. But if all you care about is SB’s.. that’s a miserable life.

My best memories of the Steelers aren’t the SB wins. Wasn’t old enough to remember the 70’s. Only have 2 SB’s to remember in my adult years.. those aren’t the only 2 years that matter as Steeler fans.

Get a life people.. lol.

'Obsession with the SB is lame'? Did you seriously just write that? You're right, nobody should really care about winning a championship in anything! Awesome thinking.

But I see your point. So let's forget about SBs for a minute. How about playoff wins? Is that a bad obsession too? How about having our team not collapse in humiliating fashion every year? You know what I'd be happy with? Finishing most seasons where our talent level says we should finish. If we finish as the 2 seed in AFC and lose in the championship to a betterPats team, so be it. Finishing as the 2 seed and losing the first game to a total inferior team is unacceptable.

Let's just shoot for 9 win seasons and sneak into the playoffs every few years. Better yet, let's all hope we go 2-14 every year, so we're never disappointed

[Terrapin]

Are there any posters out there who are completely against Tomlin as the Steelers coach and who are also NOT Trump supporters? I have noticed very similar rhetoric between the Anti-Tomlin and Pro-Trump groups. Same words, same tone. Just curious as to the correlation.

I've been anti Tomlin long before Trump was even a thing

[flippy]

Nice post Flippy.

1) You can be obsessed with winning SBs and not have it be the only way to quantify success and failure. I think NC's point was that if you think anytime you don't win the SB is complete failure, you are almost always going to feel like the team is a complete failure.

2) I think you're 100% right about extrapolating posts on the internet to what people are like in real life. This is a big problem these days IMO (although I don't think NC was doing that specifically). Especially on platforms that entice people to faux outrage in an effort to collect likes...and then the outrage becomes real because it turns out that professing things publicly often makes us adopt those things instead of dealing with the cognitive dissonance of "I am an honest person" and "I lied about / massively exaggerated my thinking on that".

Doesn't help that talking to people irl is illegal in lots of places these days (hope Steelers fan in Toronto is doing OK with what sounds like very strict lockdown and seemingly crazy expanded police powers. I know many of my family in Ontario are struggling with isolation).

Steps down of soap box...

My soap box had nothing to do with NC and I think he’s perfectly fine and reasonable always and I always appreciate his perspective.

[flippy]

'Obsession with the SB is lame'? Did you seriously just write that? You're right, nobody should really care about winning a championship in anything! Awesome thinking.

But I see your point. So let's forget about SBs for a minute. How about playoff wins? Is that a bad obsession too? How about having our team not collapse in humiliating fashion every year? You know what I'd be happy with? Finishing most seasons where our talent level says we should finish. If we finish as the 2 seed in AFC and lose in the championship to a betterPats team, so be it. Finishing as the 2 seed and losing the first game to a total inferior team is unacceptable.

Let's just shoot for 9 win seasons and sneak into the playoffs every few years. Better yet, let's all hope we go 2-14 every year, so we're never disappointed

I tend to think we’re all guilty of overrating/underrating the talent and coaching sometimes.

Even though it sucks when we lose, I think where we land at the end of the season is a reflection of how good we really are collectively plus some luck.

I think everyone knows this at the core abs would be happier if we won a little more and accepting that getting to a SuperBowl victory is hard and random some times.