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  • Northern_Blitz
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    • Dec 2008
    • 23985

    Originally posted by BURGH86STEEL
    I think many of us would be fine with a coaching change if it happened. Just like many of us understand why the organization choose to extend Tomlin.
    I'm in this camp.

    I don't think a coaching change would fundamentally fix our problems. And I think it likely makes us worse since most HCs fail.

    But I think it would be much less of a blow than the aging of Ben and the increased cap hit devoted to the QB position.
    Last edited by Northern_Blitz; 04-21-2021, 10:57 AM.

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    • feltdizz
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      • May 2008
      • 27222

      Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
      Yes, I have his email, dude you're a joke. Not that you really know who you are talking to, or what resources I have to work with. You strike me as a typical Yinzer, not that there's anything wrong with that.
      The joke is thinking having an email address will lead to anything. Art doesn’t care what you think.
      Steelers 27
      Rats 16

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      • feltdizz
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        • May 2008
        • 27222

        Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
        Most will forget this extension 3 years from now.
        he will more than likely get another extension in 2 years and people will continue to tell us to wait or trust their opinion that ONE DAY Tomlin will be gone.
        Steelers 27
        Rats 16

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        • Northern_Blitz
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          • Dec 2008
          • 23985

          Originally posted by Flasteel
          Are there any posters out there who are completely against Tomlin as the Steelers coach and who are also NOT Trump supporters? I have noticed very similar rhetoric between the Anti-Tomlin and Pro-Trump groups. Same words, same tone. Just curious as to the correlation.
          My guess is that there are red and blue team members that support Tomlin and that want to fire him. It seems like it's always about 50% of the voting population that goes for each team in the hopes of picking the lesser evil every 4 years.

          I think we've got enough division on the topic of Tomlin without bringing politics into it.

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          • Oviedo
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            • May 2008
            • 23776

            Originally posted by feltdizz
            he will more than likely get another extension in 2 years and people will continue to tell us to wait or trust their opinion that ONE DAY Tomlin will be gone.
            Like weathermen saying it is going to rain...sooner or later it does but that doesn't mean they know sh!t
            "My team, may they always be right, but right or wrong...MY TEAM!"

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            • Northern_Blitz
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              • Dec 2008
              • 23985

              Originally posted by feltdizz
              he will more than likely get another extension in 2 years and people will continue to tell us to wait or trust their opinion that ONE DAY Tomlin will be gone.
              And eventually that prediction will come true. Nostradamus style!

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              • NorthCoast
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                • Sep 2008
                • 26225

                Originally posted by feltdizz
                he will more than likely get another extension in 2 years and people will continue to tell us to wait or trust their opinion that ONE DAY Tomlin will be gone.
                Like analysts predicting the stock market will fall. Some day they will be right...

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                • Northern_Blitz
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                  • Dec 2008
                  • 23985

                  Originally posted by NorthCoast
                  Like analysts predicting the stock market will fall. Some day they will be right...
                  Yep, lots of people have predicted several of the last zero firings of Tomlin (you won't believe our #2 prediction: a trade to Washington!).

                  Just like shock jock stock market pundits predict 10 of the last 2 recessions.

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                  • whatever
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                    • Sep 2019
                    • 5789

                    Originally posted by BURGH86STEEL
                    The Steelers won plenty over the years. Not sure how winning is secondary in their equation? Care to explain?

                    Making money and winning seem to go hand in hand with this franchise. I really don't understand how you remain a fan if this is the way you think?
                    As far as I know, the stadium has been sold out for decades, regardless of record.
                    How is it possible to have the best owner, best front office, best gm, best HC, good/great drafts every year and good FA acquisitions every year, but only have 3 playoff wins in 14 years?

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                    • whatever
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                      • Sep 2019
                      • 5789

                      Originally posted by NorthCoast
                      It's the only way you are likely to get your wish, and chance to gloat. But until it happens you are barking at a wall thinking ownership will change direction. And for the record, if they go that long with a losing record I'd be fine with a change of coaching.
                      I get a chance to gloat every year.
                      So you say with 3 years of a losing record, you’ll support a coaching change.
                      So if that is your barometer for a change , why is that what you think mine and other fans that want him gone 5 years ago, barometer should be?
                      Why can’t we have a different one than you?
                      How is it possible to have the best owner, best front office, best gm, best HC, good/great drafts every year and good FA acquisitions every year, but only have 3 playoff wins in 14 years?

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                      • whatever
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                        • Sep 2019
                        • 5789

                        Originally posted by BURGH86STEEL
                        You are mistaken when you think this is about being right or wrong. It's a simple understanding of the dynamics at play. Either you understood why the organization choose to resign Tomlin or you don't.
                        He does understand. They are satisfied with what he brings to the team. I’m sure they like a lot of the things he does. They value those attributes over his post season success.
                        How is it possible to have the best owner, best front office, best gm, best HC, good/great drafts every year and good FA acquisitions every year, but only have 3 playoff wins in 14 years?

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                        • Northern_Blitz
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                          • Dec 2008
                          • 23985

                          Originally posted by whatever
                          He does understand. They are satisfied with what he brings to the team. I’m sure they like a lot of the things he does. They value those attributes over his post season success.
                          What do you think is the most important factor for a team's post season success?

                          Or even the top 3, since I'm sure you'll want to list coaching as important for post season success.
                          Last edited by Northern_Blitz; 04-21-2021, 01:20 PM.

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                          • BURGH86STEEL
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                            • May 2008
                            • 6908

                            Originally posted by whatever
                            He does understand. They are satisfied with what he brings to the team. I’m sure they like a lot of the things he does. They value those attributes over his post season success.
                            He doesn't understand when he believes it's simply about right vs wrong.

                            I believe that Ben's post season poor play is more at fault than Tomlin.

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                            • BURGH86STEEL
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                              • May 2008
                              • 6908

                              Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                              What do you think is the most important factor for a team's post season success?
                              Tomlin needs to buckle up his chin strap and play better at QB.

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                              • Northern_Blitz
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                                • Dec 2008
                                • 23985

                                Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                                What do you think is the most important factor for a team's post season success?

                                Or even the top 3, since I'm sure you'll want to list coaching as important for post season success.
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                                I think my top 3 would be something like (not necessarily in order):

                                • QB play (I'll lump other player execution in here so that it doesn't take more than one spot and we can add coaching to the list
                                • Team health and other things that are related to chance
                                • Coaching


                                Let's say they're of similar importance so we don't have to argue about ranking them.

                                Of these three things, I think it's hard to make the argument that coaching has been the major driver of our lack of playoff success. But others may disagree.

                                Our last 2 losses have been mostly due to lack of execution (mostly Ben, but Pouncey and the D certainly didn't help this year).

                                Losses prior to that (and including the last two) have injuries at key positions that were difficult to overcome (particularly against the Jags with an ILB off the street).

                                Lots of times, the team that wins the trophy is the one that makes the fewest mistakes while avoiding the most critical injuries (see KC's OL).

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