Tomlin

[Steel Maniac]

wouldn't the owner/gm of the team ask the coach for his opinion on whether to bring ben back?
especially someone with so many years as coach.
he's the one that has to coach him / develop a game plan for the team.
do you think he objected to it but was overridden on the decision?

was this not a perfect time to cut him if he thought ben was done?
- high cap hit
cut ben and can try to keep bud and have most of the starters come back

- 1st round grade QB with the team now for 3 years.
some have said he played much better then ben in week 17. if he isn't ready now, will he ever be

You would think so....

[hawaiiansteel]

I’m sure your friend will blame Don Shula for the last 30 years.. lol.

Hahaahahahhaahahah

Boom.......

[Captain Lemming]

wouldn't the owner/gm of the team ask the coach for his opinion on whether to bring ben back?
especially someone with so many years as coach.
he's the one that has to coach him / develop a game plan for the team.
do you think he objected to it but was overridden on the decision?

was this not a perfect time to cut him if he thought ben was done?
- high cap hit
cut ben and can try to keep bud and have most of the starters come back

- 1st round grade QB with the team now for 3 years.
some have said he played much better then ben in week 17. if he isn't ready now, will he ever be

2 points
1. A Rooney pulled rank over coach to draft Ben. What tells you a Rooney didnt do the same to keep Ben?
2. UNTIL you have a deal, there is ZERO incentive for a coach to choose to go away from a known quantity.

What haters miss is that a contract NOW incentives long term decision making.

[hawaiiansteel]

What haters miss is that a contract NOW incentives long term decision making.

this is a great point.

Rooney is entrusting Tomlin with our upcoming rebuild, and that is going to require long-term decision making.

[NJ-STEELER]

2 points
1. A Rooney pulled rank over coach to draft Ben. What tells you a Rooney didnt do the same to keep Ben?
2. UNTIL you have a deal, there is ZERO incentive for a coach to choose to go away from a known quantity.

What haters miss is that a contract NOW incentives long term decision making.

1. with his tenure and record as a coach here. why would he put up with that?

wouldn't teams be lining up for that kind of coaching talent?


cowher was coming off 4 losing seasons in 6 years. after his boss says "we should look into drafting ben"
what's he going to come back with?
"no dan, you old geezer, shawn andrews is who we need to finally stop the drought and win a championship?"

[Northern_Blitz]

wouldn't the owner/gm of the team ask the coach for his opinion on whether to bring ben back?
especially someone with so many years as coach.
he's the one that has to coach him / develop a game plan for the team.
do you think he objected to it but was overridden on the decision?

was this not a perfect time to cut him if he thought ben was done?
- high cap hit
cut ben and can try to keep bud and have most of the starters come back

- 1st round grade QB with the team now for 3 years.
some have said he played much better then ben in week 17. if he isn't ready now, will he ever be

My guess is that keeping / cutting Ben was mostly Art II and Ben with input from Colbert and Tomlin.

I wouldn't be surprised if all were in favor of the current decision even though I'm not.

I hope they're right and I'm wrong.

Not sure what this has to do with everything wrong being mostly Tomlin's fault though. Although coaches often do take the fall for bad decisions at higher levels in other franchises I guess?

[NJ-STEELER]

My guess is that keeping / cutting Ben was mostly Art II and Ben with input from Colbert and Tomlin.

I wouldn't be surprised if all were in favor of the current decision even though I'm not.

I hope they're right and I'm wrong.

Not sure what this has to do with everything wrong being mostly Tomlin's fault though. Although coaches often do take the fall for bad decisions at higher levels in other franchises I guess?

ok got it.

you disagree with the decision of the owner, GM and coach of the team

duly noted

[Northern_Blitz]

2 points
1. A Rooney pulled rank over coach to draft Ben. What tells you a Rooney didnt do the same to keep Ben?
2. UNTIL you have a deal, there is ZERO incentive for a coach to choose to go away from a known quantity.

What haters miss is that a contract NOW incentives long term decision making.

Point 2 is why I hate the concept of putting coaches on the hot seat in the hope that something goes well because someone tries really hard.

But if they aren't trying hard to begin with, you don't want them around in super competitive positions like this.

[Northern_Blitz]

ok got it.

you disagree with the decision of the owner, GM and coach of the team

duly noted

Yep.

And I don't think I use appeal to authority to argue others are wrong.

If I do, please point it out because I don't think it's a great argument.

[hawaiiansteel]

Not sure what this has to do with everything wrong being mostly Tomlin's fault though. Although coaches often do take the fall for bad decisions at higher levels in other franchises I guess?

I think Marcia has proven that QBs and a good defense have more to do with winning Super Bowls than the head coach.

[Northern_Blitz]

1. with his tenure and record as a coach here. why would he put up with that?

wouldn't teams be lining up for that kind of coaching talent?


cowher was coming off 4 losing seasons in 6 years. after his boss says "we should look into drafting ben"
what's he going to come back with?
"no dan, you old geezer, shawn andrews is who we need to finally stop the drought and win a championship?"

My guess is that lots of people believe in Ben because of what he has done throughout his career.

Which isn't necessarily the same as what he will do next year.

And its also probably part realization that finding the next QB will be hard and failure is a pretty likely outcome. So it's not unreasonable to think one last kick at the can is worth it.

Even though I personally don't think agree, I think I understand the reasoning.

[Captain Lemming]

You should charge me rent because I live in your head! I’m right waaaaaaaay more than I’ve been wrong.

So he’s still here? It’s not a thing to celebrate because it means we’ll never be winning anything.

I also said 4 years ago , “ The Steelers will never win a chip again with Tomlin as head coach”. How’s that looking?

First of all...I like the fiestiness...Just bringin the smack!
Even if I disagree, glad you stopped blocking everybody. I can respect that.

Topic at hand....being right about a coach or team NOT winning the SB 4 years ago...dont make you a prophet.
One ranking of the top 5 head coaches in 2017 had this top 5:
1. Belichick
2. Pete Caroll
3 Tomlin
4. Harbaugh
5. McCarthy

You could have made the same prediction about ANY of those listed top coaches and been correct. Does not mean they should all be fired.

[Northern_Blitz]

I think Marcia has proven that QBs and a good defense have more to do with winning Super Bowls than the head coach.

I'm not ready to pronounce Billy B's success over.

I think he's the outlier HC. And I think they'll be good after solid use of cap space. Assuming Cam isn't awful again.

But maybe it's just that I'm still under rating Brady because of his pedigree and salary. Even though I reluctantly think he's the Goat.

[NJ-STEELER]

Yep.

And I don't think I use appeal to authority to argue others are wrong.

If I do, please point it out because I don't think it's a great argument.

no, i don't think you have. at least I don't remember you doing so.
of course you're allowed a to opine on a subject even it is in the minority of what others think.

but there are situations when others do so and are bashed on it.
good for future reference

[Captain Lemming]

I think Marcia has proven that QBs and a good defense have more to do with winning Super Bowls than the head coach.

Or diva receivers and all pro runningbacks.