Tomlin

[Joel Buchsbaum]

'Obsession with the SB is lame'? Did you seriously just write that? You're right, nobody should really care about winning a championship in anything! Awesome thinking.

But I see your point. So let's forget about SBs for a minute. How about playoff wins? Is that a bad obsession too? How about having our team not collapse in humiliating fashion every year? You know what I'd be happy with? Finishing most seasons where our talent level says we should finish. If we finish as the 2 seed in AFC and lose in the championship to a betterPats team, so be it. Finishing as the 2 seed and losing the first game to a total inferior team is unacceptable.

Let's just shoot for 9 win seasons and sneak into the playoffs every few years. Better yet, let's all hope we go 2-14 every year, so we're never disappointed

Feltdizz is obsessed with Tomlin and fails to tell me ( I have to review 20 pages if he has! ) why a coach who 3-7 in his last ten playoff games, two of the wins of which vs back up qb's, and has failed to win a playoff game since 2016 deserves a 3 year extension. 3 years? The bald truth is any coach with that type of record would not get a 3 year deal.

The Houston Oilers fired Bum Phillips for going 11-5 and failing to beat the Pittsburgh Steeler in the playoffs after several tries. With Art Rooney II, Tomlin has a virtual for life contract. He'll live when he wants to. Meanwhile fans who know the deal are going to have to accept the fact that winning a playoff game is unlikely, and just be happy we are playing football.

I predict Tomlin fans, we know who they are going to blame a near 40 year old quarterback for his demise. Wait for it... I'll be there to point it out if they try. Meanwhile the same man saved his rear end from lousy coaching 35 times with 4th quarter comebacks, only to fire the OC as his scapegoat for lousy results when it counts.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

Are there any posters out there who are completely against Tomlin as the Steelers coach and who are also NOT Trump supporters? I have noticed very similar rhetoric between the Anti-Tomlin and Pro-Trump groups. Same words, same tone. Just curious as to the correlation.

I voted fr Biden. Felt like I had to, but think the Steelers deserve a better head coach.

[Starlifter]

wow. 24 hours. 20 pages dominated by 10 posters who haven't changed anyones mind. entertaining for sure.

my 2 cents.

the extension was never in doubt. Tomlin is too good a coach to fire.

But I don't think he's good enough in January - and the last 10 years resume supports that IMO.

[BURGH86STEEL]

'Obsession with the SB is lame'? Did you seriously just write that? You're right, nobody should really care about winning a championship in anything! Awesome thinking.

But I see your point. So let's forget about SBs for a minute. How about playoff wins? Is that a bad obsession too? How about having our team not collapse in humiliating fashion every year? You know what I'd be happy with? Finishing most seasons where our talent level says we should finish. If we finish as the 2 seed in AFC and lose in the championship to a betterPats team, so be it. Finishing as the 2 seed and losing the first game to a total inferior team is unacceptable.

Let's just shoot for 9 win seasons and sneak into the playoffs every few years. Better yet, let's all hope we go 2-14 every year, so we're never disappointed

The team didn't collapse in humiliating fashion every year. No need to make that up to fit your agenda.

It's not about the level of talent. Ultimately, it boils down to how the players perform. Where do injuries fall into the equation? The Steelers LB core was decimated with injuries last season. The Oline dealt with several injuries. Teams can over come injuries. It's difficult to overcome injuries when teams get down to 3rd and 4th string players. The injuries on the Oline had an impact on continuity. Where do turnovers fall into the equation? Again, player performance.

No such thing to an inferior opponent in the NFL. Pay attention long enough and you will reach this conclusion. The Steelers rarely snuck into the playoffs with Tomlin as HC.

I think some fans need for the Steelers to go 2-14 consistently so they can appreciate winning again.

[NorthCoast]

Feltdizz is obsessed with Tomlin and fails to tell me ( I have to review 20 pages if he has! ) why a coach who 3-7 in his last ten playoff games, two of the wins of which vs back up qb's, and has failed to win a playoff game since 2016 deserves a 3 year extension. 3 years? The bald truth is any coach with that type of record would not get a 3 year deal.

The Houston Oilers fired Bum Phillips for going 11-5 and failing to beat the Pittsburgh Steeler in the playoffs after several tries. With Art Rooney II, Tomlin has a virtual for life contract. He'll live when he wants to. Meanwhile fans who know the deal are going to have to accept the fact that winning a playoff game is unlikely, and just be happy we are playing football.

I predict Tomlin fans, we know who they are going to blame a near 40 year old quarterback for his demise. Wait for it... I'll be there to point it out if they try. Meanwhile the same man saved his rear end from lousy coaching 35 times with 4th quarter comebacks, only to fire the OC as his scapegoat for lousy results when it counts.

One has to wonder if Tomlin ever had the urge to fire Roethlisberger during the post season because he hasn't been getting it done? I think this might be the season they finally get serious with a running game and take it out of the QB's hands. It was the way Cowher won his SB. It will be the way Tomlin wins his second SB.

[BURGH86STEEL]

Feltdizz is obsessed with Tomlin and fails to tell me ( I have to review 20 pages if he has! ) why a coach who 3-7 in his last ten playoff games, two of the wins of which vs back up qb's, and has failed to win a playoff game since 2016 deserves a 3 year extension. 3 years? The bald truth is any coach with that type of record would not get a 3 year deal.

The Houston Oilers fired Bum Phillips for going 11-5 and failing to beat the Pittsburgh Steeler in the playoffs after several tries. With Art Rooney II, Tomlin has a virtual for life contract. He'll live when he wants to. Meanwhile fans who know the deal are going to have to accept the fact that winning a playoff game is unlikely, and just be happy we are playing football.

I predict Tomlin fans, we know who they are going to blame a near 40 year old quarterback for his demise. Wait for it... I'll be there to point it out if they try. Meanwhile the same man saved his rear end from lousy coaching 35 times with 4th quarter comebacks, only to fire the OC as his scapegoat for lousy results when it counts.

Why? Because it's not only about winning in the playoffs or the Superbowl. Tomlin received and extension because this team finished 12-4 last season.

When individuals make everything about Tomlin then it's a failure by those individuals conduct a proper analysis. Did you analyze why the team failed to win in the playoffs? It wasn't simply because of Tomlin.

Fans don't have to accept anything. They can leave any time they like.

[NorthCoast]

Why? Because it's not only about winning in the playoffs or the Superbowl. Tomlin received and extension because this team finished 12-4 last season.

When individuals make everything about Tomlin then it's a failure by those individuals conduct a proper analysis. Did you analyze why the team failed to win in the playoffs? It wasn't simply because of Tomlin.

Fans don't have to accept anything. They can leave any time they like.

There has been two constants in those games so I don't know how you untangle them to assign fault for losses (or praise for wins). And no one seems to assign blame to injuries, which were key in at least a few of those post seasons.

By 2024 the Steelers will likely know their fate with the current crop of QBs on the roster or they will have a shiny new one from the draft that year. Canada will have 4 yrs as an OC. If he is successful, this could be the future HC direction maybe?

[Joel Buchsbaum]

Why? Because it's not only about winning in the playoffs or the Superbowl. Tomlin received and extension because this team finished 12-4 last season.

When individuals make everything about Tomlin then it's a failure by those individuals conduct a proper analysis. Did you analyze why the team failed to win in the playoffs? It wasn't simply because of Tomlin.

Fans don't have to accept anything. They can leave any time they like.

UM, Tomlin had another late season collapse, wining 1 of his last 5 games and firing the OC he hired. That's how the ended the season. Ya wanna extend that guy who is 3-7 in his last 10 playoff games, with two of the three wins coming against back up qb"s? Yes or no. I'l' guess yes you do because winning playoff games to me matters a lot more.

At least I understand why you think that way. Question, if Tomlin rotes 8-9 pr 9-8, this coming season do you think it was unwise to extend him? Yes or no?

Heck the Steelers could go 6-11, and his job will be 100% safe.

Tomlin should have bene shown the door by now. I'm more upset with Art Rooney II. Like it or not this guy is 68, in reasonable shape and to my best guess has 15-20 something years left. Oh how I wish one of his brothers was running this team. Tomlin can be the coach here as long as he wishes regardless of lack of significant wins. I'm sure Art's fine with whatever record we have as long as the fan's fill the stadium.

[Sword]

so holding onto Shula is how they got Adam Gase?

lmao..

no, you are just making up an alternative reality.

This is what happens when fans don’t like a coach. They think removing that coach brings instant SB success. It doesn’t. If it did you would see Cleveland with 30 SB’s in the last 15 years.

But how seriously did you even follow Miami from 86 to 95? You threw this out there but have given no history, no team stats or roster changes.

Just because you came up with what you believe is a great example (again, its horrible) doesn’t make it true. It just makes you awful at picking scenarios that support your argument.

This will be a good question to ask my friend, who is a long die hard fin fan when, I go to GA to watch the draft with him next week.

[BURGH86STEEL]

There has been two constants in those games so I don't know how you untangle them to assign fault for losses (or praise for wins). And no one seems to assign blame to injuries, which were key in at least a few of those post seasons.

By 2024 the Steelers will likely know their fate with the current crop of QBs on the roster or they will have a shiny new one from the draft that year. Canada will have 4 yrs as an OC. If he is successful, this could be the future HC direction maybe?

Coaches don't or can't make injuries as an excuse. They can only go with the players they had. Reality says injuries are a factor. Turnovers are even more of a factor.

Take care of the ball is paramount to success in the NFL. Ben came up small in the turnover department in the last two playoff games.

Finding the next QB will be key to the Steelers success regardless of who is the HC.

[whatever]

UM, Tomlin had another late season collapse, wining 1 of his last 5 games and firing the OC he hired. That's how the ended the season. Ya wanna extend that guy who is 3-7 in his last 10 playoff games, with two of the three wins coming against back up qb"s? Yes or no. I'l' guess yes you do because winning playoff games to me matters a lot more.

At least I understand why you think that way. Question, if Tomlin rotes 8-9 pr 9-8, this coming season do you think it was unwise to extend him? Yes or no?

Heck the Steelers could go 6-11, and his job will be 100% safe.

Tomlin should have bene shown the door by now. I'm more upset with Art Rooney II. Like it or not this guy is 68, in reasonable shape and to my best guess has 15-20 something years left. Oh how I wish one of his brothers was running this team. Tomlin can be the coach here as long as he wishes regardless of lack of significant wins. I'm sure Art's fine with whatever record we have as long as the fan's fill the stadium.

3 or 4 years of missing the playoffs or going below .500 will still have these Tomlin fans loving him. Then it will be, ‘cowher had X seasons below .500’.
And yes, any owners main goal is money. Winning is secondary. The same thinking that the players have.

[whatever]

Are there any posters out there who are completely against Tomlin as the Steelers coach and who are also NOT Trump supporters? I have noticed very similar rhetoric between the Anti-Tomlin and Pro-Trump groups. Same words, same tone. Just curious as to the correlation.

What your thoughts on the correlation between Biden supporters, rioters, cop haters and Tomlin lovers?

[BURGH86STEEL]

UM, Tomlin had another late season collapse, wining 1 of his last 5 games and firing the OC he hired. That's how the ended the season. Ya wanna extend that guy who is 3-7 in his last 10 playoff games, with two of the three wins coming against back up qb"s? Yes or no. I'l' guess yes you do because winning playoff games to me matters a lot more.

At least I understand why you think that way. Question, if Tomlin rotes 8-9 pr 9-8, this coming season do you think it was unwise to extend him? Yes or no?

Heck the Steelers could go 6-11, and his job will be 100% safe.

Tomlin should have bene shown the door by now. I'm more upset with Art Rooney II. Like it or not this guy is 68, in reasonable shape and to my best guess has 15-20 something years left. Oh how I wish one of his brothers was running this team. Tomlin can be the coach here as long as he wishes regardless of lack of significant wins. I'm sure Art's fine with whatever record we have as long as the fan's fill the stadium.

I don't simply blame everything on Tomlin. There many factors to consider. The ownership understands this. It's one reason why Tomlin received an extension. The Steelers extended a coach that helped this team win 12 games last season.

I don't make any decisions for the organization. I understood the decision to extend Tomlin. If Tomlin resigns or is fired tomorrow it won't impact me one bit. I realize the next guy probably won't be able to help the team win 10 games a year and make the playoffs 9 out of 14 seasons.

Every thing isn't about Tomlin? Why can't you see this? There are many factors involved that impact the out come of a season. In the organization's analysis Tomlin hasn't been the main factor why the team failed to win more.

For example, coaches have a difficult time overcoming turnovers and poor performances committed by the players.

[feltdizz]

'Obsession with the SB is lame'? Did you seriously just write that? You're right, nobody should really care about winning a championship in anything! Awesome thinking.

But I see your point. So let's forget about SBs for a minute. How about playoff wins? Is that a bad obsession too? How about having our team not collapse in humiliating fashion every year? You know what I'd be happy with? Finishing most seasons where our talent level says we should finish. If we finish as the 2 seed in AFC and lose in the championship to a betterPats team, so be it. Finishing as the 2 seed and losing the first game to a total inferior team is unacceptable.

Let's just shoot for 9 win seasons and sneak into the playoffs every few years. Better yet, let's all hope we go 2-14 every year, so we're never disappointed

yes.. if that is all you care about its lame. It means you will be disappointed and frustrated for 95% of your life because the reality is most years we will not win a SB.

[BURGH86STEEL]

3 or 4 years of missing the playoffs or going below .500 will still have these Tomlin fans loving him. Then it will be, ‘cowher had X seasons below .500’.
And yes, any owners main goal is money. Winning is secondary. The same thinking that the players have.

The Steelers won plenty over the years. Not sure how winning is secondary in their equation? Care to explain?

Making money and winning seem to go hand in hand with this franchise. I really don't understand how you remain a fan if this is the way you think?