Congrats Bruce Arians

[hawaiiansteel]

what a second, peter king thinks troy doesn't belong in the HOF?

Peter King Explains His (Absurd) Reason For Not Voting Troy Polamalu Into Hall Of Fame

https://steelersdepot.com/2020/02/peter-king-explains-his-absurd-reason-for-not-voting-troy-polamalu-into-hall-of-fame/

[Northern_Blitz]

So it appears Tomlin keeps hiring worse OCs as time goes on.

I would say that Haley was a better OC than Arians, but Arians was a better HC (or at least he had better QBs as a HC).

[Northern_Blitz]

I think he was accomplished in several palaces. An overachiever. ( Steelers, Colts, Cardinals, and of course Tampa ) I don't really put much stock into what Peter King says, the guys a story teller, not a football guy, but I do think Troy deserves to be in the pro football HOF.

I agree with you about guys like King.

And they're the guys that decide who gets into the Hall.

[Northern_Blitz]

Peter King Explains His (Absurd) Reason For Not Voting Troy Polamalu Into Hall Of Fame

https://steelersdepot.com/2020/02/pe...-hall-of-fame/

If you don't want to read this. King's take was "Troy's going to get in anyway, so I'll vote him down and vote for someone who isn't as good. Other people will vote for Troy and the guy I like (who doesn't really deserve it) will get in".

There must be a lot of politics that goes into HoF decisions. That's why it's mostly BS IMO.

[Oviedo]

First of all if you want to make valid comparisons, looking at the overall record is of little value. Let's keep it simple. BA was in charge of the offense;

2007 - Pts for rank - 9th
2008 - 20th
2009 - 12th
2010 - 12th
2011 - 21st
2012 - 22nd (Haley)
2013 - 16th
2014 - 7th
2015 - 4th
2016 - 10th
2017 - 8th

Yea, the Steelers did let go of the wrong OC...but it wasn't BA.

This...let's not engage in revisionist history to make Arians look better than he was. Typically by those looking for a backhanded way to criticize the organization.

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This...let's not engage in revisionist history to make Arians look better than he was. Typically by those looking for a backhanded way to criticize the organization.

He had much less talent on offense to work with and the team still won and went farther in the playoffs

[hawaiiansteel]

This...let's not engage in revisionist history to make Arians look better than he was. Typically by those looking for a backhanded way to criticize the organization.

the offense wasn't incredible under Arians. Ben's sack totals were unsustainable, had Ben kept playing in Arians' system Ben would definitely have had a shorter career.

people seem to conveniently forget that Steelers fans were calling for Arians' head for a couple of years before he was finally let go.

[feltdizz]

I was a BA fan. Given what he was working with and the way our team was built the offense did its job. It was a rope-a-dope offense. Ugly and boring but the play action bombs used to kill the other team.

Haley had better players, better coach play design and better production but in-game adjustments were TRASH. He used to kill momentum with those stupid subs.

AV running routes as a WR or Bell on the sideline vs the Pats on our RZ possession were head scratching. Haley would outsmart himself with some of his decisions.

[feltdizz]

the offense wasn't incredible under Arians. Ben's sack totals were unsustainable, had Ben kept playing in Arians' system Ben would definitely have had a shorter career.

people seem to conveniently forget that Steelers fans were calling for Arians' head for a couple of years before he was finally let go.

half the people praising BA were screaming for him to be fired when he was here.

[NorthCoast]

I was a BA fan. Given what he was working with and the way our team was built the offense did its job. It was a rope-a-dope offense. Ugly and boring but the play action bombs used to kill the other team.

Haley had better players, better coach play design and better production but in-game adjustments were TRASH. He used to kill momentum with those stupid subs.

AV running routes as a WR or Bell on the sideline vs the Pats on our RZ possession were head scratching. Haley would outsmart himself with some of his decisions.

Maybe that's the reason Roethlisberger no longer wants to be under center? Too many horrible memories of getting hammered during PA? BA's offense worked because Roethlisberger was willing to take those hits.

[NorthCoast]

If you don't want to read this. King's take was "Troy's going to get in anyway, so I'll vote him down and vote for someone who isn't as good. Other people will vote for Troy and the guy I like (who doesn't really deserve it) will get in".

There must be a lot of politics that goes into HoF decisions. That's why it's mostly BS IMO.

And he didn't give Faneca the nod for the Hall either.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

half the people praising BA were screaming for him to be fired when he was here.

After taking us to two super bowls with a terrible OL? After seeing Haley and Fichtner , I wanted him back. His susses outside the Steelers speaks for itself.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

And he didn't give Faneca the nod for the Hall either.

This is a good class. I'd like to see the vote breakdown.

Aug 8th is Alan's day.

https://www.profootballhof.com/pro-football-hall-of-fames-class-of-2021/

[NorthCoast]

After taking us to two super bowls with a terrible OL? After seeing Haley and Fichtner , I wanted him back. His susses outside the Steelers speaks for itself.

Terrible OL? Starks, Colon, Kemo were far from terrible. And if it was so terrible, why would any sane OC call for so many 7 step drops?

Let this sink in for a moment: Roethlisberger's avg sack rate under BA was 8.6% (one season was over 10%!). In 2020, that means more than 50 sacks! Tomlin wasn't dumb. He saw his QB getting killed and had to make a change. And BA did the same thing to Luck.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

Terrible OL? Starks, Colon, Kemo were far from terrible. And if it was so terrible, why would any sane OC call for so many 7 step drops?

Let this sink in for a moment: Roethlisberger's avg sack rate under BA was 8.6% (one season was over 10%!). In 2020, that means more than 50 sacks! Tomlin wasn't dumb. He saw his QB getting killed and had to make a change. And BA did the same thing to Luck.

Colon was not a good player. Very flag prone, and gave up his share of sacks. Good for an average of near 1 flag or sack a game. Look it up.

Kemo was a power player only. Essex the other guard was on the weak side. In fact I think he was weak. Our center Hartings was on his last legs, which is why Pouncey was the 1st pick.

Starks was solid but hardly special. The sacks are on the OL as much as Ben. Ben did like to hold the ball a little long, but look at what he did with the extra 1/2 second.

Take a look at the OL, and tell me if you think it was " good "

https://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/roster/2009?sort=pos


Two points. 1 ) This OL was below par. 2 ) You wont do well arguing how Bruce did outside the Steelers.