Congrats Bruce Arians

[feltdizz]

You guys were watching a different game then. That wasn't the BA offense the Steelers had. How many 7 step drops did Brady have in that game? Yea, I thought so.

Roethlisberger would never have made it to his last contract if BA was the OC.

That is a Brian Leftwich offense and its a balanced attack. They run the rock, use play action and Brady had the best long ball completion rate.

Ben got hit a ton but he also feasted off the BA play action that was the cornerstone of our offense.

Does Ben change with BA? Probably not.. but Ben was also much younger and willing to take hits to go downfield.

[whatever]

Why would he feel threatened by the coach of the weakest link on the team?

You mean the super bowl winning offense lead by arians?

[Buzz]

Not bad for a guy who "retired" over a decade ago

[Joel Buchsbaum]

Under Arians as the OC.

2011 12-4
2010 12-4, won 2 Playoff games, lost in the super bowl
2009 - 9-7
2008 12-4, won 3 playoff games including the super bowl
2007 10-6

2012, let go by the Steelers ( Tomlin ) and replaced by Todd Haley. Team goes 8-8

[flippy]

Was cute seeing his 90 year old mom at the game. Also interesting hearing she told him to go back to coaching.

[Northern_Blitz]

That is a Brian Leftwich offense and its a balanced attack. They run the rock, use play action and Brady had the best long ball completion rate.

Ben got hit a ton but he also feasted off the BA play action that was the cornerstone of our offense.

Does Ben change with BA? Probably not.. but Ben was also much younger and willing to take hits to go downfield.

Leftwitch was my pick on the "who would you hire" thread a while back.

Seems like the kind of think the Steelers would do at HC with a young guy that has ties to the team.

But we won't be looking for a coach for a while I don't think.

[Northern_Blitz]

Under Arians as the OC.

2011 12-4
2010 12-4, won 2 Playoff games, lost in the super bowl
2009 - 9-7
2008 12-4, won 3 playoff games including the super bowl
2007 10-6

2012, let go by the Steelers ( Tomlin ) and replaced by Todd Haley. Team goes 8-8

What was happening on the defensive side of the ball over that time period? Seems like the defensive rebuild was a big reason they weren't as competitive after that. It would also be interesting to see how Ben's cap hit on the 2nd contract was distributed. Because I think his cap hit started to escalate around then as well.

So while Arians was part of the good play we had, I think it's a bit disingenuous to suggest that he was the most important thing going on.

Arians wasn't a bad OC for us. But ownership didn't want to shorten Ben's career.

Haley was also not a bad OC for us. But he was probably a huge jackass to people on the team and Ben didn't want him here anymore (he even threatened to retire).

Fitchner was a bad OC for us. And he got fired. Maybe would have happened a year earlier if Ben didn't get injured, but it wasn't unreasonable to think that a big part of us sucking was all the injuries on O.

[NorthCoast]

Under Arians as the OC.

2011 12-4
2010 12-4, won 2 Playoff games, lost in the super bowl
2009 - 9-7
2008 12-4, won 3 playoff games including the super bowl
2007 10-6

2012, let go by the Steelers ( Tomlin ) and replaced by Todd Haley. Team goes 8-8

First of all if you want to make valid comparisons, looking at the overall record is of little value. Let's keep it simple. BA was in charge of the offense;

2007 - Pts for rank - 9th
2008 - 20th
2009 - 12th
2010 - 12th
2011 - 21st
2012 - 22nd (Haley)
2013 - 16th
2014 - 7th
2015 - 4th
2016 - 10th
2017 - 8th

Yea, the Steelers did let go of the wrong OC...but it wasn't BA.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

What was happening on the defensive side of the ball over that time period? Seems like the defensive rebuild was a big reason they weren't as competitive after that. It would also be interesting to see how Ben's cap hit on the 2nd contract was distributed. Because I think his cap hit started to escalate around then as well.

So while Arians was part of the good play we had, I think it's a bit disingenuous to suggest that he was the most important thing going on.

Arians wasn't a bad OC for us. But ownership didn't want to shorten Ben's career.

Haley was also not a bad OC for us. But he was probably a huge jackass to people on the team and Ben didn't want him here anymore (he even threatened to retire).

Fitchner was a bad OC for us. And he got fired. Maybe would have happened a year earlier if Ben didn't get injured, but it wasn't unreasonable to think that a big part of us sucking was all the injuries on O.

The Steelers had a shaky OL during Arians time. Not his fault. What I'm focusing on is the 5 year period.. 2 super bowls played, and many playoff games won. IMO, great years.

I wish we kept Arians. Today we have Canada.

As for points scored tell me how New England did during their past 5 seasons? In 2008, our worst year for points scored, it wasn't a problem in the playoffs dropping 35, 23, and 27 points on our opponents.

Arians was clearly better than Haley, or Fichtner and didn't have prime AB or Bell to use. As a head coach, he's very good.

[Northern_Blitz]

Congrats Bruce. Tomlin was so wrong to let you go. Stick around another 1-2 years if health allows, the Hall of fame may come knocking.

Super Bowl champion (LV)
2× AP NFL Coach of the Year (2012, 2014)
As assistant coach:
2× Super Bowl champion (XL, XLIII)


Head coaching record

NFL: 77–47–1 (.620)

Postseason: 5–2 (.714)

NFL overall: 82–49–1 (.625)

It is interesting to see his accomplishments all in one place.

Like Tomlin, I think he's currently at very good but not Hall worthy.

I thought that about Cowher too though, so what do I know.

I do think that P. King really devalued the HoF last year with his comments about how he was voting on Troy.

[whatever]

First of all if you want to make valid comparisons, looking at the overall record is of little value. Let's keep it simple. BA was in charge of the offense;

2007 - Pts for rank - 9th
2008 - 20th
2009 - 12th
2010 - 12th
2011 - 21st
2012 - 22nd (Haley)
2013 - 16th
2014 - 7th
2015 - 4th
2016 - 10th
2017 - 8th

Yea, the Steelers did let go of the wrong OC...but it wasn't BA.

He had no talent and the talent he had didn’t execute.

[whatever]

What was happening on the defensive side of the ball over that time period? Seems like the defensive rebuild was a big reason they weren't as competitive after that. It would also be interesting to see how Ben's cap hit on the 2nd contract was distributed. Because I think his cap hit started to escalate around then as well.

So while Arians was part of the good play we had, I think it's a bit disingenuous to suggest that he was the most important thing going on.

Arians wasn't a bad OC for us. But ownership didn't want to shorten Ben's career.

Haley was also not a bad OC for us. But he was probably a huge jackass to people on the team and Ben didn't want him here anymore (he even threatened to retire).

Fitchner was a bad OC for us. And he got fired. Maybe would have happened a year earlier if Ben didn't get injured, but it wasn't unreasonable to think that a big part of us sucking was all the injuries on O.

So it appears Tomlin keeps hiring worse OCs as time goes on.

[NJ-STEELER]

Why would he feel threatened by the coach of the weakest link on the team?

when you’re supplied with starting RBs like Jon Dwyer, Gary Russell.
what do you expect?

when you have (as analysts pointed out) the worst OL to ever win a championship.
what do you expect?

when you’re top receivers are guys drafted in the 3rd round or later.
what do you expect?

when the FO chooses to constantly address the defensive side of the ball. For example having 70% of the salary cap on the defense side of the ball in the SB 43 championship season.
what do you expect?

[Joel Buchsbaum]

It is interesting to see his accomplishments all in one place.

Like Tomlin, I think he's currently at very good but not Hall worthy.

I thought that about Cowher too though, so what do I know.

I do think that P. King really devalued the HoF last year with his comments about how he was voting on Troy.

I think he was accomplished in several palaces. An overachiever. ( Steelers, Colts, Cardinals, and of course Tampa ) I don't really put much stock into what Peter King says, the guys a story teller, not a football guy, but I do think Troy deserves to be in the pro football HOF.

[NJ-STEELER]

I think he was accomplished in several palaces. An overachiever. ( Steelers, Colts, Cardinals, and of course Tampa ) I don't really put much stock into what Peter King says, the guys a story teller, not a football guy, but I do think Troy deserves to be in the pro football HOF.

what a second, peter king thinks troy doesn't belong in the HOF?