Todd McShay 2021 Mock Draft: Steelers Select Alabama RB Najee Harris

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  • NorthCoast
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    • Sep 2008
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    Steelers don't need a special RB in Rd 1....and a strong OL improves both the run and passing games.

    • GB grabbed A. Jones in the 5th rd - 1,100+ yds rushing
    • James Robinson; undrafted - a 1000+ yd rusher for the Jags and add another 300+ receiving
    • David Montgomery - 3rd rd by the Bears - 1000+ yds rusher (and throw in another 400+ receiving)
    • Kenyan Drake - 3rd rd by MIA - 900+ yds for Zona
    • A Kamara - 3rd rd by NOR - 900+ yds rushing, 750+ receiving


    Tell me otherwise.

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    • feltdizz
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      • May 2008
      • 27226

      Originally posted by NorthCoast
      Steelers don't need a special RB in Rd 1....and a strong OL improves both the run and passing games.

      • GB grabbed A. Jones in the 5th rd - 1,100+ yds rushing
      • James Robinson; undrafted - a 1000+ yd rusher for the Jags and add another 300+ receiving
      • David Montgomery - 3rd rd by the Bears - 1000+ yds rusher (and throw in another 400+ receiving)
      • Kenyan Drake - 3rd rd by MIA - 900+ yds for Zona
      • A Kamara - 3rd rd by NOR - 900+ yds rushing, 750+ receiving


      Tell me otherwise.
      I’m sure we could do that with OL as well. No way all these teams with these RB’s are drafting all their OL early.

      While its possible to find a needle like Kamara or Jones.. it’s not a given. For every Kamara you have another 12 RB’s taken in the 3rd who didn’t have the juice.

      That’s part of the problem with the draft. Not saying we cant get lucky and find a guy like Kamara but these examples aren’t the norm.

      We could wait and get another Conner, Dwyer, Redman or maybe we get a Barry Foster. Who knows.. but I do know the earlier you draft talent the higher the chances are for success.

      I would definitely take Sermon if he dropped to the 3rd round and think he would work out well for us. But the longer you wait.. the less likely it is to find that next star.
      Last edited by feltdizz; 01-25-2021, 04:28 PM.
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      • Steel Maniac
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        • Apr 2017
        • 19472

        Originally posted by NorthCoast
        Steelers don't need a special RB in Rd 1....and a strong OL improves both the run and passing games.

        • GB grabbed A. Jones in the 5th rd - 1,100+ yds rushing
        • James Robinson; undrafted - a 1000+ yd rusher for the Jags and add another 300+ receiving
        • David Montgomery - 3rd rd by the Bears - 1000+ yds rusher (and throw in another 400+ receiving)
        • Kenyan Drake - 3rd rd by MIA - 900+ yds for Zona
        • A Kamara - 3rd rd by NOR - 900+ yds rushing, 750+ receiving


        Tell me otherwise.
        Excellent examples on why we can hold off on taking a RB in the first round. Be lucky if any RB is taken in the first round.

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        • NJ-STEELER
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          • May 2008
          • 12563

          Originally posted by NorthCoast
          Steelers don't need a special RB in Rd 1....and a strong OL improves both the run and passing games.

          • GB grabbed A. Jones in the 5th rd - 1,100+ yds rushing
          • James Robinson; undrafted - a 1000+ yd rusher for the Jags and add another 300+ receiving
          • David Montgomery - 3rd rd by the Bears - 1000+ yds rusher (and throw in another 400+ receiving)
          • Kenyan Drake - 3rd rd by MIA - 900+ yds for Zona
          • A Kamara - 3rd rd by NOR - 900+ yds rushing, 750+ receiving


          Tell me otherwise.
          there's a ton more Ol drafted after the 1st round that perform well. even within our own team.

          now take a look at the recent track record of RBs this team has taken after the 2nd round

          where have they drafted better?

          mcfarland 124
          snell 122 overall pick
          samuels 165
          connor 105
          dri archer 97
          chris rainly 159
          baron batch 232
          jon dwyer 188

          OL
          AV- UDFA
          Banner - UDFa
          ramon -UDFA
          Beachum 248
          okorafor 92
          Last edited by NJ-STEELER; 01-25-2021, 06:17 PM.

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          • NorthCoast
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            • Sep 2008
            • 26228

            Originally posted by NJ-STEELER
            there's a ton more Ol drafted after the 1st round that perform well. even within our own team.

            now take a look at the recent track record of RBs this team has taken after the 2nd round

            where have they drafted better?
            I thought that was the great Munchak coaching them up? He's not here now.

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            • NJ-STEELER
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              • May 2008
              • 12563

              Originally posted by NorthCoast
              I thought that was the great Munchak coaching them up? He's not here now.
              well, I would follow up a 1st round Rb with a 2nd and 3rd round OL. not exactly UFDA level talent where we were successful in getting them to be productive players

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              • feltdizz
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                • May 2008
                • 27226

                Originally posted by Captain Lemming
                How many championships did that second rounder get us?

                Who was the last one to start a SB victory?
                5th rounder.

                Let me ask you this-
                How would "fast Willie" look like behind THIS line?
                here comes Cap with the his dusty ass Fast Willie SB line.

                Lets look at FWP in the 2005 playoffs

                Cincy game: 16 for 38 yards
                Colts game: 17 for 59 yards
                Denver game: 14 for 35 yards.

                SB: now he had an amazing TD run for 75 yards. But with the other 9 attempts he only had 18 yards.

                The man was fast, straight line fast. Amazing speed. But if things weren’t set up perfect for FWP he was TRASH!!! No vision, no wiggle.. and hands like Ike.

                So for the last time, shut the hell up about FWP. The guy was fast as hell and I appreciate his contributions but don’t you ever, EVER, NEVER, EVER try to use FWP as justification for not drafting a RB early.

                drops mic
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                • feltdizz
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                  • May 2008
                  • 27226

                  Originally posted by NJ-STEELER
                  well, I would follow up a 1st round Rb with a 2nd and 3rd round OL. not exactly UFDA level talent where we were successful in getting them to be productive players
                  Thank you...

                  Now if there is an OL who dropped in our lap like DD due to teams going QB and WR early them sure.. get him but if Harris is available and the OL on the board are 2nd and 3rd round talents it would be foolish to reach just to say you drafted OL in the first round.

                  We are drafting late in the first, not top 10.
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                  • Captain Lemming
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                    • Jun 2008
                    • 15979

                    Originally posted by feltdizz
                    here comes Cap with the his dusty ass Fast Willie SB line.

                    Lets look at FWP in the 2005 playoffs

                    Cincy game: 16 for 38 yards
                    Colts game: 17 for 59 yards
                    Denver game: 14 for 35 yards.

                    SB: now he had an amazing TD run for 75 yards. But with the other 9 attempts he only had 18 yards.

                    The man was fast, straight line fast. Amazing speed. But if things weren’t set up perfect for FWP he was TRASH!!! No vision, no wiggle.. and hands like Ike.

                    So for the last time, shut the hell up about FWP. The guy was fast as hell and I appreciate his contributions but don’t you ever, EVER, NEVER, EVER try to use FWP as justification for not drafting a RB early.

                    drops mic
                    Mic drop... I don't think so.

                    Again you miss the point. I ain't calling him "great". He was "good", good enough. As are 90 percent of SB winning backs in today's game.

                    You make my point. Fast Willie was "enough" for us to beat THE BEST BACK IN THE LEAGUE that season.

                    Feel free to dis him... you make my point. For all we know if you had a Faneca, and Hartings, McFarland might look like Willie.
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                    • Captain Lemming
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                      • Jun 2008
                      • 15979

                      Originally posted by feltdizz
                      Thank you...

                      Now if there is an OL who dropped in our lap like DD due to teams going QB and WR early them sure.. get him but if Harris is available and the OL on the board are 2nd and 3rd round talents it would be foolish to reach just to say you drafted OL in the first round.

                      We are drafting late in the first, not top 10.
                      I don't even disagree Dizz.
                      But we can use a center, Tackle, AND a guard. Odds that there is no first round value among those THREE positions are pretty much zero.
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                      • pfelix73
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                        • Aug 2008
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                        Originally posted by Captain Lemming
                        I don't even disagree Dizz.
                        But we can use a center, Tackle, AND a guard. Odds that there is no first round value among those THREE positions are pretty much zero.
                        Depends on who comes back. Re-sign Feiler, and we don't need a guard. Our perspectives are a bit different. I don't think all of our problems are in the players that we have.

                        Way back when Fournette was released, I wanted the Steelers to sign him. He's been a beast here in the playoffs for the Bucs. Conner isn't our answer. He goes down as soon as he is hit.
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                        • Captain Lemming
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                          • Jun 2008
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                          Originally posted by pfelix73
                          Depends on who comes back. Re-sign Feiler, and we don't need a guard. Our perspectives are a bit different. I don't think all of our problems are in the players that we have.

                          Way back when Fournette was released, I wanted the Steelers to sign him. He's been a beast here in the playoffs for the Bucs. Conner isn't our answer. He goes down as soon as he is hit.
                          I wanted Fournette too. Again THAT is my point. It is EASY to get a good cheap free agent back who can replace Conner. Why use a number one pick?

                          Feiler as a guard? Dude he was worthless trash as an interior lineman.
                          Last edited by Captain Lemming; 01-26-2021, 01:05 AM.
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                          In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

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                          • feltdizz
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                            • May 2008
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                            Originally posted by Captain Lemming
                            Mic drop... I don't think so.

                            Again you miss the point. I ain't calling him "great". He was "good", good enough. As are 90 percent of SB winning backs in today's game.

                            You make my point. Fast Willie was "enough" for us to beat THE BEST BACK IN THE LEAGUE that season.

                            Feel free to dis him... you make my point. For all we know if you had a Faneca, and Hartings, McFarland might look like Willie.
                            FWP wasn’t enough to beat the best back in the league that year.

                            We had Bettis and Duce on our roster and FWP was insurance. We need a legit RB and an FWP type guy on our roster as insurance. I think McFarland can be our FWP but we damn sure don’t have a Bettis as a finisher/punisher right now. Snell
                            and Conner aren’t anywhere near Bettis so don’t even think about saying it.. lol.

                            but I would take a former first rounder like Williams or Bettis in a heartbeat if available in FA. Thing is, a pick at 24 might still be cheaper than a RB in FA who was a first round pedigree.

                            CEH was drafted in the first but at 32 for KC. He makes 1.9 this year, Fournette makes 2 mill on a one year deal. just remember, Fournette has Brady under center and... BA of all people as a HC, lol.

                            but this revisionists history of what we had when we won a SB is fools gold. That was 15 years ago. Stop living in the past dude.
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                            • feltdizz
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                              • May 2008
                              • 27226

                              Originally posted by Captain Lemming
                              I wanted Fournette too. Again THAT is my point. It is EASY to get a good cheap free agent back who can replace Conner. Why use a number one pick?

                              Feiler as a guard? Dude he was worthless trash as an interior lineman.
                              A pick at 24 isn’t a premium first round pick. Look at KC’s OL. I believe they have 1 first round pick on their OL who was the number 1 pick in 2013 and the rest are UDFA’s or other people’s property they acquired in FA but none drafted in the first.
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                              • NorthCoast
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                                • Sep 2008
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                                Originally posted by pfelix73
                                Depends on who comes back. Re-sign Feiler, and we don't need a guard. Our perspectives are a bit different. I don't think all of our problems are in the players that we have.

                                Way back when Fournette was released, I wanted the Steelers to sign him. He's been a beast here in the playoffs for the Bucs. Conner isn't our answer. He goes down as soon as he is hit.
                                Conner's other problem, and it's been written about a few times, is his poor vision finding creases at the line. His running has changed from just a year or two ago. Much more hesitant and little burst. Really, his biggest asset was as a blocker in the pass game. But I'd still keep him as a cheap #2. No way I give him a starter's contract.

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