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[Steel Maniac]

I'm done. I can't talk to liers. Can't do it.

[Northern_Blitz]

I'm done. I can't talk to liers. Can't do it.

That must be why you didn't answer either of the questions I posed earlier. It's not because you can't deal with the cognitive dissonance.

I'll just assume that since you think coaching is significantly more important than players you must obviously conclude that the "Tomlin won with Cowher's players" argument makes no sense.

I'll look forward to you arguing against that position in the future.

[Captain Lemming]

A good coach is one that meets or exceeds expectations. A great coach does this on a regular basis.

If Tomlin went to the Lions and won 7 games his first year, they'd erect a statue of him. But here in Pittsburgh, with the best roster in the league for years, it's Superbowl appearance or better. Possibly AFC championship is acceptable. 1 and done, missing playoffs, etc is well below expectations, which is why Tomlin is a lousy coach for THIS team. That is a fact

THIS is the misconception. We have NEVER had the leagues best roster in recent seasons.

People talk about Brown and Bell. My BIGGEST CRITICISM OF THIS TEAM IS THAT WE HAVE BEEN INVESTING TOO MUCH IN THESE POSITIONS.

Paying elite money to those positions, are bad investments. The best rosters invest in SECONDARY.

People think I am a straight cheerleader for whatever the team does.

I am one of the few who was critical of EVER giving Brown elite money.

I argued with Dizz specifically, that the Patriots wisely invest in secondary over elite "skill" offensive players.

Gilmore and Brown happened to be signed in the same season.

I suggested BACK THEN that I would have gone after Gilmore, even if it meant losing Brown.

Considering his status as the leagues best corner.....best player in the SB.....and we have won jack squat with Brown....nothing but drama...I think I was right!

[Steel Maniac]

THIS is the misconception. We have NEVER had the leagues best roster in recent seasons.

People talk about Brown and Bell. My BIGGEST CRITICISM OF THIS TEAM IS THAT WE HAVE BEEN INVESTING TOO MUCH IN THESE POSITIONS.

Paying elite money to those positions, are bad investments. The best rosters invest in SECONDARY.

People think I am a straight cheerleader for whatever the team does.

I am one of the few who was critical of EVER giving Brown elite money.

I argued with Dizz specifically, that the Patriots wisely invest in secondary over elite "skill" offensive players.

Gilmore and Brown happened to be signed in the same season.

I suggested BACK THEN that I would have gone after Gilmore, even if it meant losing Brown.

Considering his status as the leagues best corner.....best player in the SB.....and we have won jack squat with Brown....nothing but drama...I think I was right!

True........you have been saying for years now that all our money is only on one side of the ball. And because of that, the team can't achieve at the highest level. And based on this teams overall performance, your theory is proving to have teeth.

[Captain Lemming]

Who’s crowning him???? He simply cane in with new coaching philosophy and schemes and that made the same 4-12 team a double digit winner the next. There’s no getting away from that. Or deflecting by saying,” you crowning him”.

Coaching was the difference.

Does Fisher get the credit because McVay did it with HIS players?

Or do you finally acknowledge that Tomlin inhereted an 8-8 team on the decline and won a SB without discrediting him.

[Steel Maniac]

Does Fisher get the credit because McVay did it with HIS players?

Or do you finally acknowledge that Tomlin inhereted an 8-8 team on the decline and won a SB without discrediting him.

Cap, Cowher won a Super Bowl with that team first. Of course the team was 8-8 when Tomlin took over but Cowher's Super Bowl nucleus was always there. Tomlin got a team with a franchise QB already, nucleus on defense and offense.

Exactly what was there for Mcvay other then possibly Gurley? And Gurley didn't become GURLEY until Mcvay unlocked him. How was Goeff playing with Fischer? Everyone was calling Geoff a bust. Mcvay made him a more then crediable QB.

You really can't compare the two; Tomlin had a Super Bowl nucleus team when he was hired; What did Mcvay have in the Rams as a team when he was hired?

With the Rams, there was no "winning nucleus" there when Mcvay took over. Hahaha. Not the same.

I rest my case judge Lemmings.

[Captain Lemming]

True........you have been saying for years now that all our money is only on one side of the ball. And because of that, the team can't achieve at the highest level. And based on this teams overall performance, your theory is proving to have teeth.

Thanks Maniac. Let me add something. The difference in McVays success this season, and Tomlins a mere two seasons ago was.......WHEN IN THE POST SEASON PROCESS WE RAN INTO THE PATS.

The Pat's beat both teams.

Only difference is the Rams are unquestionably in the discussion of the leagues most talented teams. They were a preseason SB favorite. Elite on the Dline AND the secondary.

True we had an elite back and receiver, but we agree those positions are less important.

Nobody expected our talent to go that far.

Was McVays accomplishment better than Tomlins as far as how far they got in the playoffs (BTW I am critical of anybody including Tomlin who chose to overpay the wrong positions).

[Steel Maniac]

I disagree.

Everybody was expecting us to go in our 13-3 season. We got the easiest schedule, but we underachieved against a team that just plain beat us up both times we saw them. They punked us; and there is no nicer way to say it. And they bragged about it and did it again to us...........all in our own stadium. Punked us so bad that Ben was talking about quitting after the first game.

We made Blake Bortles look like Tom Brady in the 4th quarter when he scored 17 points . Because of that, Bortles got a new contract with the Jags only to show that he was really a bum all along and our defense just made him look good.

When Bortles renegotiated his extension last year, all he did was show his highlights of the game against us in the playoffs...and that was enough to get his extension.

[Captain Lemming]

I disagree.

Everybody was expecting us to go in our 13-3 season. We got the easiest schedule, but we underachieved against a team that just plain beat us up both times we saw them. They punked us; and there is no nicer way to say it. And they bragged about it and did it again to us...........all in our own stadium. Punked us so bad that Ben was talking about quitting after the first game.

We made Blake Bortles look like Tom Brady in the 4th quarter when he scored 17 points . Because of that, Bortles got a new contract with the Jags only to show that he was really a bum all along and our defense just made him look good.

When Bortles renegotiated his extension last year, all he did was show his highlights of the game against us in the playoffs...and that was enough to get his extension.

I am talking about the season we lost to the Pat's.

How is what McVay did last season different than Tomlin did the season we lost to the Pat's in the championship game......we we're never favor to do jack that season.

[Jigawatts]

Does this apply to position coaches? Because I'm more concerned about the loss of Mike Munchak than Antonio Brown.

[Oh wow]

THIS is the misconception. We have NEVER had the leagues best roster in recent seasons.

People talk about Brown and Bell. My BIGGEST CRITICISM OF THIS TEAM IS THAT WE HAVE BEEN INVESTING TOO MUCH IN THESE POSITIONS.

Paying elite money to those positions, are bad investments. The best rosters invest in SECONDARY.

People think I am a straight cheerleader for whatever the team does.

I am one of the few who was critical of EVER giving Brown elite money.

I argued with Dizz specifically, that the Patriots wisely invest in secondary over elite "skill" offensive players.

Gilmore and Brown happened to be signed in the same season.

I suggested BACK THEN that I would have gone after Gilmore, even if it meant losing Brown.

Considering his status as the leagues best corner.....best player in the SB.....and we have won jack squat with Brown....nothing but drama...I think I was right!

Blah blah blah.. you guys need to stop using the Pats to prove your points. Other teams get elite DB’s and don’t win jack.

It’s like using the Bulls with Jordan to prove you can win with a rebounder who doesn’t contribute much on offense.

When you have Brady you have a big advantage over most teams.

Look at how the Pats stopped us in the regular season with their defense last year.

The only reason the Pats were in the SB last year was because KC’s DL was offsides and negated Brady’s 3rd INT which would’ve lost them the game.

[Northern_Blitz]

I am talking about the season we lost to the Pat's.

How is what McVay did last season different than Tomlin did the season we lost to the Pat's in the championship game......we we're never favor to do jack that season.

[Mr.wizard]

It's on full display in this thread.

[Steel Maniac]

I am talking about the season we lost to the Pat's.

How is what McVay did last season different than Tomlin did the season we lost to the Pat's in the championship game......we we're never favor to do jack that season.

I was refering to what McVay did his first season. Not last season when I was using McVay as an example. Sorry for the confusion.

[Steel Maniac]

Does this apply to position coaches? Because I'm more concerned about the loss of Mike Munchak than Antonio Brown.

yeah..this.