Poll Question for Everyone

[Steel Maniac]

Northern_Blitz told me in another thread that Coaching isn't as important as the players. When I told him he was wrong, I sited how Sean Mcvay took the exact same players as Jeff Fisher had and made them a 12 game winner, he said that was just "Luck".

In your opinion, Is coaching just as important, less important or more important than the players?? You can just give your answer; you don't have to be detailed if you choose not to.

[Terrapin]

Just as.

BB wins championships with less talented players
Tomlin couldn't win with the best roster in the league

Most teams need a combination, but a great coach couldn't win with a terrible roster, and a great roster likely won't win with an awful coach

[steeler_george]

Coach by far....

Every player who makes it into the NFL can ball IMHO, but they have to be in the right situation. (schemes, motivation,corrected, taught, and discipline, etc...) You can have all the talent in world, but if the team doesn't play as a team they are a mess...

[Mr.wizard]

Northern_Blitz told me in another thread that Coaching isn't as important as the players. When I told him he was wrong, I sited how Sean Mcvay took the exact same players as Jeff Fisher had and made them a 12 game winner, he said that was just "Luck".

In your opinion, Is coaching just as important, less important or more important than the players?? You can just give your answer; you don't have to be detailed if you choose not to.

That's funny because you tell us in every thread how bad of a coach Tomlin is but he has never had a losing season.

[Eich]

Why not create an actual poll with a thread subject that says, “What’s more important: Coach or Player or equal?”

no big deal but these threads with non-descriptive titles are odd/funny

[Steel Maniac]

Why not create an actual poll with a thread subject that says, “What’s more important: Coach or Player or equal?”

no big deal but these threads with non-descriptive titles are odd/funny

Sorry Eich, I couldn't find the actual poll creation so I went with the next best thing.

[pittpete]

At this level i'd say coaching.
To be fair though you need to have a good coaching staff all around.

[Northern_Blitz]

Maniac.

For the record, what I said was that we won't know if McVay's success was luck or skill until he has more of a track record. Clearly both are important. But when your DBs are in the right place and drop the ball, that's execution. Same as when your kicker misses

1. Why did Cowher miss the playoffs the year after winning the SB?

2. Also why didn't he win (or even make) the SB the 4 times he was the 1 seed?

3. Also if coaching is more important than talent why do you argue that comparing Tomlin to Cowher isn't reasonable because Tomlin has had a more talented QB for his whole career?

4. And why does it matter that Tomlin won with Cowher's players?

5. Finally, can you explain the difference between BB on the Browns and the Pat's?

[Captain Lemming]

Northern_Blitz told me in another thread that Coaching isn't as important as the players. When I told him he was wrong, I sited how Sean Mcvay took the exact same players as Jeff Fisher had and made them a 12 game winner, he said that was just "Luck".

In your opinion, Is coaching just as important, less important or more important than the players?? You can just give your answer; you don't have to be detailed if you choose not to.

Players BY A LARGE MARGIN.

How many SBs did the great Chuck Noll win without EVERY LAST ONE OF NINE hall of fame players entering the AFC championship?

Even during the dynasty, we failed if even ONE of those players was injured.

People bring up BB.
Belichick is a notable exception.....not the rule which is why he is GOAT without question.

The Patriots are the only dynasty ever that wasn't driven primary by player talent.

[Northern_Blitz]

Maybe another good question is how do you determine who is a good coach?

[hawaiiansteel]

Players BY A LARGE MARGIN.

How many SBs did the great Chuck Noll win without EVERY LAST ONE OF NINE hall of fame players entering the AFC championship?

Even during the dynasty, we failed if even ONE of those players was injured.

People bring up BB.
Belichick is a notable exception.....not the rule which is why he is GOAT without question.

how did BB the coaching genius do while he coached the Browns?

[pittpete]

25 years ago?

[tiproast]

how did BB the coaching genius do while he coached the Browns?

He did pretty well. He inherited a 3-13 team, doubled that win total in his first year, and then had two 7-9 seasons.

He then had an 11-5 year and went to the playoffs, where the Browns won a game. Belichick coached the only Browns playoff win in the last 30 years.

In his final year, the owner (Art Modell) pulled the rug out from under the team and announced, in the middle of the season, that he was moving the franchise to Baltimore.

The Belichick of that time was not as strong a coach as he is today - the franchise move wasn't something he had anticipated and he was unable to hold the team together through that turmoil.

[Terrapin]

Maybe another good question is how do you determine who is a good coach?

A good coach is one that meets or exceeds expectations. A great coach does this on a regular basis.

If Tomlin went to the Lions and won 7 games his first year, they'd erect a statue of him. But here in Pittsburgh, with the best roster in the league for years, it's Superbowl appearance or better. Possibly AFC championship is acceptable. 1 and done, missing playoffs, etc is well below expectations, which is why Tomlin is a lousy coach for THIS team. That is a fact

[Steel Maniac]

Maniac.

For the record, what I said was that we won't know if McVay's success was luck or skill until he has more of a track record. Clearly both are important. But when your DBs are in the right place and drop the ball, that's execution. Same as when your kicker misses

1. Why did Cowher miss the playoffs the year after winning the SB?

2. Also why didn't he win (or even make) the SB the 4 times he was the 1 seed?

3. Also if coaching is more important than talent why do you argue that comparing Tomlin to Cowher isn't reasonable because Tomlin has had a more talented QB for his whole career?

4. And why does it matter that Tomlin won with Cowher's players?

5. Finally, can you explain the difference between BB on the Browns and the Pat's?

That’s not what you said. You flat out said what he did was luck because you had no answer for my example of Mcvay. Don’t start back peddling now. You are not a cornerback. Lol