Poll Question for Everyone

[SidSmythe]

There's no right answer to this question.

However it all starts with leadership and good communication.

[Steel Maniac]

Sid, you just answered it.

[Oh wow]

This doesn’t make sense.

First off McVey has to be able to show consistency before he is crowned.

The Rams also acquired Suh, Peters, Talib and Cooks because they had 45 mill in cap space and have Gohff on a rookie contract for 7.6 mill in cap space.

Jeff Fisher sucked, hates QB play and always went 7-9.

McVey also looked like a lost puppy in that SB.

McVey looks to be good but he also had a ton of talent added to the roster AND needed blind refs to help them beat the Saints.

[Steel Maniac]

This doesn’t make sense.

First off McVey has to be able to show consistency before he is crowned.

The Rams also acquired Suh, Peters, Talib and Cooks because they had 45 mill in cap space and have Gohff on a rookie contract for 7.6 mill in cap space.

Jeff Fisher sucked, hates QB play and always went 7-9.

McVey also looked like a lost puppy in that SB.

McVey looks to be good but he also had a ton of talent added to the roster AND needed blind refs to help them beat the Saints.

That’s not what I said.

The previous year, there was no Suh, Talib or Peterson. He took the exact same players from a 4-12 team and made them 11-5 or 12-4 with his coaching. And stop deflecting to “ we gotta wait”. Wait for what? He took the same players and made them double digit winners. Pure and simple coaching was the difference.

[Oh wow]

That’s not what I said.

The previous year, there was no Suh, Talib or Peterson. He took the exact same players from a 4-12 team and made them 11-5 or 12-4 with his coaching. And stop deflecting to “ we gotta wait”. Wait for what? He took the same players and made them double digit winners. Pure and simple coaching was the difference.

Look at the Jags 2 years ago. AFCCG and this year they were trash.

What changed?

Also remember this was a Ram team that was leaving St Louis in 2016.

Seems odd to crown a coach 3 years into his career. How successful was Tomlin 2 years into his career?

[steelz09]

Just as.

BB wins championships with less talented players
Tomlin couldn't win with the best roster in the league

Most teams need a combination, but a great coach couldn't win with a terrible roster, and a great roster likely won't win with an awful coach

Boom.

And Tomlin is easily the most overrated coach in the league.

[Steel Maniac]

Look at the Jags 2 years ago. AFCCG and this year they were trash.

What changed?

Also remember this was a Ram team that was leaving St Louis in 2016.

Seems odd to crown a coach 3 years into his career. How successful was Tomlin 2 years into his career?

Who’s crowning him???? He simply cane in with new coaching philosophy and schemes and that made the same 4-12 team a double digit winner the next. There’s no getting away from that. Or deflecting by saying,” you crowning him”.

Coaching was the difference.

[Oh wow]

Who’s crowning him???? He simply cane in with new coaching philosophy and schemes and that made the same 4-12 team a double digit winner the next. There’s no getting away from that. Or deflecting by saying,” you crowning him”.

Coaching was the difference.

So what happened with the Jags last year?

Andy Reid is an awesome coach.. no SB wins

Sean Peyton is pretty good. Why haven’t they won more?

Remember when the Vikings were a Kirk Cousin QB away from SB favorites before the year started? Didn’t you predict them to win the NFC? Was it coaching or talent?

It’s real easy to pick the flavor of the year after the fact and say it’s all coaching but you completely ignored all the talent they acquired after Fisher left.

I don’t think it’s one or the other. It’s both AND a bit of luck. Of the red throws that flag and lets be honest.. it was a blown call, the Rams aren’t in that SB.

Hell, look at our game vs the Saints. That Pass INT call was terrible and so was the late call in their favor when we stopped them on 4th down. It’s a thin line between winking and losing in this league. Hopefully we bounce back.

[Steel Maniac]

Oh wow....
Will you stop putting words in my mouth. I never mentioned championships.

The jags had injuries in the O-line and in their runningbacks. So they had no offense and subsequently left their defense on the field in the majority of games. And wore that defense down.

[Steel Maniac]

Nobody is picking the flavor of the year. I can say the same about the Bears too. Better coaching took them too to a winning record.

North_ blitz tried to say as long as the players are great, doesn’t matter who the coach neccessarily I s and that’s the biggest bunch of crap I’ve ever heard. They are both important but the Rams and Bears are classic examples that you can’t win without good coaching.

But we saw an average talent team like the patriots just beat a team with more talent in the super bowl. Why? Because they Had the better coaches.

[hawaiiansteel]

Nobody is picking the flavor of the year. I can say the same about the Bears too. Better coaching took them too to a winning record.

North_ blitz tried to say as long as the players are great, doesn’t matter who the coach neccessarily I s and that’s the biggest bunch of crap I’ve ever heard. They are both important but the Rams and Bears are classic examples that you can’t win without good coaching.

But we saw an average talent team like the patriots just beat a team with more talent in the super bowl. Why? Because they Had the better coaches.

Gurley being hurt helped also...

[Steel Maniac]

Patriots defense just didn’t let anyone run the ball that night. CJ Anderson was getting it done coming into that game but the patriots defense shut him down.

[hawaiiansteel]

Patriots defense just didn’t let anyone run the ball that night. CJ Anderson was getting it done coming into that game but the patriots defense shut him down.

yeah, the same run defense that allowed Jaylen Samuels to run for 142 yards on 19 carries against them.

[Northern_Blitz]

He did pretty well. He inherited a 3-13 team, doubled that win total in his first year, and then had two 7-9 seasons.

He then had an 11-5 year and went to the playoffs, where the Browns won a game. Belichick coached the only Browns playoff win in the last 30 years.

In his final year, the owner (Art Modell) pulled the rug out from under the team and announced, in the middle of the season, that he was moving the franchise to Baltimore.

The Belichick of that time was not as strong a coach as he is today - the franchise move wasn't something he had anticipated and he was unable to hold the team together through that turmoil.

This is a reasonable answer. Thanks for filling in some more context around BB with the move from Cle.

[Northern_Blitz]

A good coach is one that meets or exceeds expectations. A great coach does this on a regular basis.

If Tomlin went to the Lions and won 7 games his first year, they'd erect a statue of him. But here in Pittsburgh, with the best roster in the league for years, it's Superbowl appearance or better. Possibly AFC championship is acceptable. 1 and done, missing playoffs, etc is well below expectations, which is why Tomlin is a lousy coach for THIS team. That is a fact

How do you set reasonable expectations for a coach?