Poll Question for Everyone

[Steel Maniac]

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Maniac, you know if Tomlin were to win ONE MORE SB.....he is unquestionably a HOF contender based on his career.

Cap, you don't have to worry about that ever happening.

[Northern_Blitz]

A terrible team?? That team was 8-8 team. Still having a Super Bowl nucleus team. Not many teams win back to back Super Bowls so just because Cowher didn't win back to back doesn't mean the team was garbage a year after he won the Super Bowl.

And the team did not have many different players..he went to Super Bowls with Cowher's players and coaches. He hasn't sniffed a Super Bowl without Cowher's players or coaches.

And he did that his first 4 years. The last 8 years, he's had regular season success but he's only won 3 playoff games in the last 8 years.

Remember, the argument you have in this thread is that coaching is more important than players.

You are now arguing against that point.

You even "Boomed" yourself in a post where you were arguing that players were more important than coaching.

Do you find it hard arguing both sides of this question?

Maybe your position is coaching is important for success unless it's Tomlin (then it's players)?

[Steel Maniac]

North, already answered those questions in another thread. I’m not Squid; I don’t like repeating things over and over again.

[RuthlessBurgher]

I was refering to what McVay did his first season. Not last season when I was using McVay as an example. Sorry for the confusion.

Okay...let's forget about this last season in which the Rams added Suh, Peters, Talib, Fowler, Cooks, etc.

Let's only compare Jeff Fisher's last season (2016) with Sean McVey's first season (2017) to see how McVey was so much better with the exact same players.

Fisher started Case Keenum at QB.
McVey started Jared Goff at QB.

The top 2 WR's for Fisher were Kenny Britt and Tavon Austin.
The top 2 WR's for McVey were Robert Woods and Sammy Watkins.

Fisher's starting TE was Lance Kendricks.
McVey's starting TE was Tyler Higbee.

On the OL, Fisher had Greg Robinson at LT, Tim Barnes at C, and Cody Wichmann at RG.
On the OL, McVey had Andrew Whitworth at LT, John Sullivan at C, and Jamon Brown at RG.

Moving on to defense, Fisher had William Hayes as an edge rusher.
Moving on to defense, McVey had Connor Barwin as an edge rusher.

In the secondary, Fisher had E.J. Gaines as a starting CB, T.J. McDonald as a starting SS, and Maurice Alexander as a starting FS.
In the secondary, McVey had Kayvon Webster as a starting CB, John Johnson as a starting SS, and Lamarcus Joyner as a starting FS.

Survey says...out of a possible 22 starters on offense and defense, 11 starters were different!
Half your starting roster! And that's your biggest evidence for new coach turning the "exact same players" into a winning team?

[Steel Maniac]

True Dizz.
Maniac, you know if Tomlin were to win ONE MORE SB.....he is unquestionably a HOF contender based on his career.
He had a terrible season true.
But you dont just dump a guy with a record like that prematurely.

Cap, Love that you brought in the "IF" word today. Let's play that game..

1. If my aunt had a package, she'd be my uncle
2. If evil knievel had gone just a little more, he'd have made that snake river jump
3. If Manafort hadn't gotten caught, he'd be in the White House with Trump


how about those?

Love you cap.

[Steel Maniac]

Okay...let's forget about this last season in which the Rams added Suh, Peters, Talib, Fowler, Cooks, etc.

Let's only compare Jeff Fisher's last season (2016) with Sean McVey's first season (2017) to see how McVey was so much better with the exact same players.

Fisher started Case Keenum at QB.
McVey started Jared Goff at QB.

The top 2 WR's for Fisher were Kenny Britt and Tavon Austin.
The top 2 WR's for McVey were Robert Woods and Sammy Watkins.

Fisher's starting TE was Lance Kendricks.
McVey's starting TE was Tyler Higbee.

On the OL, Fisher had Greg Robinson at LT, Tim Barnes at C, and Cody Wichmann at RG.
On the OL, McVey had Andrew Whitworth at LT, John Sullivan at C, and Jamon Brown at RG.

Moving on to defense, Fisher had William Hayes as an edge rusher.
Moving on to defense, McVey had Connor Barwin as an edge rusher.

In the secondary, Fisher had E.J. Gaines as a starting CB, T.J. McDonald as a starting SS, and Maurice Alexander as a starting FS.
In the secondary, McVey had Kayvon Webster as a starting CB, John Johnson as a starting SS, and Lamarcus Joyner as a starting FS.

Survey says...out of a possible 22 starters on offense and defense, 11 starters were different!
Half your starting roster! And that's your biggest evidence for new coach turning the "exact same players" into a winning team?

So are you trying to say that because of those new starters, that's why the Rams went from 4-12 to 11-5? And it had little to nothing to do with Mcvay?

[Captain Lemming]

North, I’m not Squid; I don’t like repeating things over and over again.

Boom????

[Steel Maniac]

Hahahahahahahaha..okay..checkmate Cap.

[RuthlessBurgher]

So are you trying to say that because of those new starters, that's why the Rams went from 4-12 to 11-5? And it had little to nothing to do with Mcvay?

No...I think McVey's a good coach. I'm trying to say that your assertion that Sean McVey took the EXACT SAME PLAYERS as Jeff Fisher had and made them a 12 game winner is patently false (and not only because the Rams won 11 games in 2017, not 12). On what planet would 11 out of 22 new starters be considered the exact same players?

[Northern_Blitz]

So are you trying to say that because of those new starters, that's why the Rams went from 4-12 to 11-5? And it had little to nothing to do with Mcvay?

Wouldn't it be reasonable to say that both factors probably played a role?

[Steel Maniac]

No...I think McVey's a good coach. I'm trying to say that your assertion that Sean McVey took the EXACT SAME PLAYERS as Jeff Fisher had and made them a 12 game winner is patently false (and not only because the Rams won 11 games in 2017, not 12). On what planet would 11 out of 22 new starters be considered the exact same players?

Okay. If that's your point, then point proven.

Better analogy then is how a better coach made a team that was less talented, beat a team with more talent but a lesser coach.

Patriots beating the Rams in the Super Bowl.

[fordfixer]

Boom????

You beat me to it Capt.

[Steel Maniac]

No...I think McVey's a good coach. I'm trying to say that your assertion that Sean McVey took the EXACT SAME PLAYERS as Jeff Fisher had and made them a 12 game winner is patently false (and not only because the Rams won 11 games in 2017, not 12). On what planet would 11 out of 22 new starters be considered the exact same players?

Also, are you saying also that with those players added, Jeff Fisher would have became a winner?

[Oh wow]

Jeff Fisher sucks too. He had like 1 good season. Not sure how a coach coming in and being better than a terrible coach proves coaching is more important than talent.

Some coaches flat out suck.

[Northern_Blitz]

Jeff Fisher sucks too. He had like 1 good season. Not sure how a coach coming in and being better than a terrible coach proves coaching is more important than talent.

Some coaches flat out suck.

I agree with this.

Good coaching is necessary but not sufficient (just like good talent)