Did Harrison start the mudslide?

[Steel Maniac]

This is correct. JH just wanted to compete and was denied the chance.
Not a fan of how Harrison was treated for YEARS.

Never mind Dupree....what was he EVER doing being the backup to Jarvis Jones?

People forget THE VERY SEASON BEFORE his last season when he they wouldnt play him HE LEAD THE LEAGUE in post season sacks!!!!

Now I got a big problem with JH and the video with Brown......but I "get" his being upset with Tomlin.

That is why I take his recent "potshots" as being a result of his (understandable) lingering bitterness.

All you have proven with those regular season stats is that Tomlin got “A”s on his homework & classwork ( regular season games) but he got “D”s and “F”s on the test ( playoffs)

[Captain Lemming]

All you have proven with those regular season stats is that Tomlin got “A”s on his homework & classwork ( regular season games) but he got “D”s and “F”s on the test ( playoffs)

Is this a reply to the post you quoted?
Considering I CRITICIZED Tomlin's decisions around JH I kinda figured you'd agree.

[Northern_Blitz]

Yet with all that, he’s won 3 playoff games in the last 8 years.

Still waiting for your justification for using different time frames and success criteria when judging the HC and QB.

Especially when half of your anti-Tomlin rant is how his success was because players (particularly the QB) are more important to outcomes than the coach.

But i don't think you have an answer, because the argument doesn't make sense.

[Steel Maniac]

Captain, come on. You know it makes sense. The total responsibilities of the head coach are way different then the total responsibilities of the qb. This Ben vs. Tomlin debate of yours makes no sense whatsoever and is a deflection argument for Tomlin apologist. Everyone in this poster room knows what head coaches have been responsible for for decades. And then you guys come up with some brand new crap of what Tomlin isn’t responsible for. It’s not working.

The bottom line is Tomlin put up all those regular season stats ( and the majority of those were with Cowher coaches and players) but since 2010 ( with most of Cowhers coaches and players gone ) he’s won 3 playoff games. Boom. Bottom line. You can’t get around it or explain that away. Checkmate.

[Northern_Blitz]

Captain, come on. You know it makes sense. The total responsibilities of the head coach are way different then the total responsibilities of the qb. This Ben vs. Tomlin debate of yours makes no sense whatsoever and is a deflection argument for Tomlin apologist. Everyone in this poster room knows what head coaches have been responsible for for decades. And then you guys come up with some brand new crap of what Tomlin isn’t responsible for. It’s not working.

The bottom line is Tomlin put up all those regular season stats ( and the majority of those were with Cowher coaches and players) but since 2010 ( with most of Cowhers coaches and players gone ) he’s won 3 playoff games. Boom. Bottom line. You can’t get around it or explain that away. Checkmate.

I assume you mean me and not Captain.

Your argument doesn't make sense and I'd like you to clarify it for me. Here's what I hear you saying:
- Tomlin should be fired because he's only won 3 playoff games in 8 years.
-- From that, I assume you think that 8 years is the right time line to judge performance, that 3 wins is bad performance, and that playoff wins are the only thing that matters.

- Tomlin win with Cowher's players.
-- From this I assume that you think player execution is more important than coaching.
-- Also since Cowher never won until he got Ben, I also assume that you think Ben is the most important player.

So if you think:
(1) players are more important than coaches,
(2) Ben is the most important player, and
(3) playoff wins in the last 8 years are the only things that matter,

why wouldn't you be calling for us to get rid of Ben AND Tomlin?

Especially when Ben's performance in those playoff games (which are the only things that matter) isn't good.

Ben hasn't won a playoff game in 8 years when we didn't have over 165 rushing yards. Your argument suggests he's the biggest problem.

Why don't YOU think he's the biggest problem?

You talk about responsibilities being different. Why do you think it's not the QB's responsibility to be the main reason the team wins a playoff game in 8 years?

I'd love to hear your answer to any of these questions.

[Steel Maniac]

Northern , we have gone round and round on this. And your argument doesn’t make sense. You can’t hold a qb accountable for the same things you hold a head coach accountable for. I’m sorry but it doesn’t make sense.m

Anybody who’s watched football for at least 20 years knows that.

[Sword]

Northern , we have gone round and round on this. And your argument doesn’t make sense. You can’t hold a qb accountable for the same things you hold a head coach accountable for. I’m sorry but it doesn’t make sense.m

Anybody who’s watched football for at least 20 years knows that.

Agree! these post defending MT is crazy.....And the Rooney's saying the main problem was turnovers and kicks without, not mentioning DB issues , Red Flag calls, situational football calls , drama is insane ....

[Steel Maniac]

Agree! these post defending MT is crazy.....And the Rooney's saying the main problem was turnovers and kicks without, not mentioning DB issues , Red Flag calls, situational football calls , drama is insane ....

Exactly.....

[Northern_Blitz]

Northern , we have gone round and round on this. And your argument doesn’t make sense. You can’t hold a qb accountable for the same things you hold a head coach accountable for. I’m sorry but it doesn’t make sense.m

Anybody who’s watched football for at least 20 years knows that.

But you still haven't answered the question.

Why do you think Ben still has it in him to win a SB?

[Steel Maniac]

But you still haven't answered the question.

Why do you think Ben still has it in him to win a SB?

Because he's a competitor like Brady, Brees , Eli, Rivers. He's competitive with all the QB's of his era. That's not hard to figure.

[squidkid]

But you still haven't answered the question.

Why do you think Ben still has it in him to win a SB?

if things stay the same, neither will win a super bowl.
what scenario is more likely?
ben and a new HC winnings a super bowl OR
tomlin and a new QB winning a super bowl?
the answer should be easy to figure out

[Steel Maniac]

if things stay the same, neither will win a super bowl.
what scenario is more likely?
ben and a new HC winnings a super bowl OR
tomlin and a new QB winning a super bowl?
the answer should be easy to figure out

True......................... But I know damn well that Tomlin isn't going to win jack here anymore. He is who he is after 12 years.

[Northern_Blitz]

if things stay the same, neither will win a super bowl.
what scenario is more likely?
ben and a new HC winnings a super bowl OR
tomlin and a new QB winning a super bowl?
the answer should be easy to figure out

I'd say Tomlin staying is more likely to win.

I think changing HC burns burns at least one year while everyone learns new systems (if we actually made changes unlike our new OC and DC).

I think that wastes Ben's best year he has left (because I think he's likely to decline moving forward).

[Steel Maniac]

How many more years do you think Ben has? I think two..tops.

[squidkid]

I'd say Tomlin staying is more likely to win.

I think changing HC burns burns at least one year while everyone learns new systems (if we actually made changes unlike our new OC and DC).

I think that wastes Ben's best year he has left (because I think he's likely to decline moving forward).

tomlin has proven to have no useful offensive or defensive knowledge. he cant time manage, call challenges or make game time adjustments. he cant control his locker room.
the only thing making him successful is a HOF qb. once ben is gone, tomlin has no chance to win a super bowl. he cant draft and develop the absolute elite talent he needs to win. tomlin isnt all of a sudden going to change who he is, he is only going to get exposed more