Big Ben having a P. Manning career ending season?

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

I'm not too concerned anymore haha. Besides the perfect game and all the touchdowns, that thirty-something yard throw to Brown over the middle had some zip on it that I've been waiting to see again.

Looks like that elbow was probably the culprit after all, because he definitely looked different for a few games there

I agree with that also D Rock, and I also think Ben definitely has a cognitive issue sometimes where some games he sees the field as well as P. Manning or Brady**, and other times, well, you know!

[RuthlessBurgher]

Roethlisberger has his fourth career perfect passer rating

Posted by Mike Florio on November 9, 2018, 10:26 AM EST

The self-reports of Ben Roethlisberger‘s demise were greatly exaggerated.

Roethlisberger avoided injury after getting smushed on Sunday to put together on Thursday the fourth perfect passer rating of his career. It ties Peyton Manning for the NFL record.

Roethlisberger becomes the third quarterback to generate a perfect passer rating this year, joining Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson (at Detroit) and Rams quarterback Jared Goff (vs. Minnesota). There were none in 2016 or 2017.

Three happened in 2015 (Kirk Cousins, Ryan Tannehill, and Marcus Mariota). The record for most perfect passer ratings came in 2007, with four. (Roethlisberger had two that season.)

The NFL determines passer rating (not to be confused with the inherently flawed ESPN QBR) through a formula that places equal importance on completion percentage, yards per attempt, touchdown percentage, and interception percentage. The maximum number (and thus the perfect rating) is 158.3.

In all, NFL quarterbacks have generated a perfect rating 72 times.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/11/09/roethlisberger-has-his-fourth-career-perfect-passer-rating/

[papillon]

I still don't get it about Ben's demise. What has anyone seen in the past 3-4 years that indicates in any manner, shape or form that Ben is declining in perfomrance? I think everyone is looking at his age and the hits he's taken and are assuming that his play is declining. He was very good to great last year and the year before and this year up to this point he is as good as any quarterback playing including Brees, Rogers and Brady. I wish there would be an actual decline in play before people start burying Ben. We may never see a decline, I think Ben will get out before he looks like Manning did in his final year and barely being able to throw the ball 25 yards.

Pappy

[Eich]

I still don't get it about Ben's demise. What has anyone seen in the past 3-4 years that indicates in any manner, shape or form that Ben is declining in perfomrance? I think everyone is looking at his age and the hits he's taken and are assuming that his play is declining.

i think it’s mostky reaction when he has a bonehead game such as a 5-pick game, that a seasoned veteran shouldn’t have.

He clearly still has skills. But I must admit that he tends to make me more nervous now than he did 8-ish+ years ago.

[pittpete]

i think it’s mostky reaction when he has a bonehead game such as a 5-pick game, that a seasoned veteran shouldn’t have.

He clearly still has skills. But I must admit that he tends to make me more nervous now than he did 8-ish+ years ago.

Yes to this.........

[papillon]

i think it’s mostky reaction when he has a bonehead game such as a 5-pick game, that a seasoned veteran shouldn’t have.

He clearly still has skills. But I must admit that he tends to make me more nervous now than he did 8-ish+ years ago.

Well, we all have a different take I suppose. Eight plus years ago Ben was far more reckless with the ball than he is now, this version of Ben right now is a thing of beauty, taking what he's given, making the correct calls at the line of scrimmage, making good decisions, spreading the ball out to everyone, and then hitting the deep ball after he's cut you 1000 times. I'll take this version all day.

Pappy

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

Well, we all have a different take I suppose. Eight plus years ago Ben was far more reckless with the ball than he is now, this version of Ben right now is a thing of beauty, taking what he's given, making the correct calls at the line of scrimmage, making good decisions, spreading the ball out to everyone, and then hitting the deep ball after he's cut you 1000 times. I'll take this version all day.

Pappy

Agree, but it's not like we have to go way back to see the awful "that version" - just a few games ago this year, and of course playoff time last year.

I'm the eternal optimist, that "this game" is the one Ben turns his back on the bad "that version" for good ... no more focusing only on receivers 25 yards downfield or farther.

Then ... we will be friggin' unstoppable. "The Greatest Show On Turf" will have nothing on us.

[Captain Lemming]

i think it’s mostky reaction when he has a bonehead game such as a 5-pick game, that a seasoned veteran shouldn’t have.

He clearly still has skills. But I must admit that he tends to make me more nervous now than he did 8-ish+ years ago.

Ben has ALWAYS been that way.

Ben 2005 goes 9 for 21, 42 percent, 123 yards, 0 TDS and 2 pick....22 rating.....SB champ.

Ben 2017 playoffs he goes 37 of 58 5 tds, 1 pick, 110 rating Steelers TEAM SCORES MOST POINTS IN PLAOFFS EVER.....and we can’t trust him anymore.

Defense is the ONLY DIFFERENCE between that Ben and this Ben. In fact he is MUCH better than he was back then.

[Captain Lemming]

Got a problem with “bad Ben” this season?
Bens worst game he had 3 picks and a mere 60 QB rating.

2008…clutch Ben had not one not two but FIVE games with a sub 60 QB rating.
1 game he had 3 picks, a second, 4 picks,
3 times he completed less than half of his passes including the playoff win versus the Ravens.
Speaking of playoffs......TWICE in the postseason we did not score more than 20 offensive points. In BOTH the Ravens game and the SB he was aided by defensive scores.

Again.....defense is the difference......Ben is better than he used to be.

[SanAntonioSteelerFan]

[QUOTE=Captain Lemming;743252]Got a prob

Got a problem with “bad Ben” this season?

Bens worst game he had 3 picks and a mere 60 QB rating.

2008…clutch Ben had not one not two but FIVE games with a sub 60 QB rating.
1 game he had 3 picks, a second, 4 picks,
3 times he completed less than half of his passes including the playoff win versus the Ravens.
Speaking of playoffs......TWICE in the postseason we did not score more than 20 offensive points. In BOTH the Ravens game and the SB he was aided by defensive scores.

Again.....defense is the difference......Ben is better than he used to be.

He *should* be better with the experience of the years, of course!

I think the main thing to me is that you never know when "Bad Ben" is going to show up. Yeah, maybe stats say he's better lately, but it just takes one play to lose the game, and none of the impressive stats presented above can reflect that sort of thing, it's one time where the "eyeball" test may be more meaningful. Maybe he was just as wildly uneven in the old days … but, as you say, our defense acted as a buffer to prevent Ben's bonehead plays from losing us the game back then. Nowadays, with the D we've had for the last few years, all I know is I'm on edge way too much whenever he drops back to throw. I'm feeling more at ease since these last few games, but not too much.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

i think it’s mostly OVER reaction when he has a bonehead game such as a 5-pick game, that a seasoned veteran shouldn’t have.

He clearly still has skills. But I must admit that he tends to make me more nervous now than he did 8-ish+ years ago.

Fixed that for you.

[Captain Lemming]

Got a prob

He *should* be better with the experience of the years, of course!

I think the main thing to me is that you never know when "Bad Ben" is going to show up. Yeah, maybe stats say he's better lately, but it just takes one play to lose the game, and none of the impressive stats presented above can reflect that sort of thing, it's one time where the "eyeball" test may be more meaningful. Maybe he was just as wildly uneven in the old days … but, as you say, our defense acted as a buffer to prevent Ben's bonehead plays from losing us the game back then. Nowadays, with the D we've had for the last few years, all I know is I'm on edge way too much whenever he drops back to throw. I'm feeling more at ease since these last few games, but not too much.

The playoff last year wasn't "bad Ben".

What would the "eyeball test" of last seasons playoff loss looked like if we allowed say 20 points and we win 42-20? Against perhaps the leagues best secondary?

Seriously, I have no doubt it would be lauded as one of the best if not the best playoff game of his career.

[Steel Maniac]

The playoff last year wasn't "bad Ben".

What would the "eyeball test" of last seasons playoff loss looked like if we allowed say 20 points and we win 42-20? Against perhaps the leagues best secondary?

Seriously, I have no doubt it would be lauded as one of the best if not the best playoff game of his career.

It was “ bad defense” not “ bad Ben” that killed us against Jacksonville.