Le'Veon Bell

[Oh wow]

That wasnt your arguement, your arguement was Jackson runs because he cant read defenses. That is not what his coach is saying, he just thinks Jackson is a dynamic runner.

With the way college is going you are going to see more dual threats.

We saw what Watson was able to do to Bama and what he has done for the Texans.

When you have a QB who can run and pass why would you not use their legs as a weapon?

Again, I know Russell Wilson is a smart passer but the offense relies on the threat of his legs to keep teams off balance.

[Oh wow]

So... at this point, i'm neither supporting or discrediting that argument

SO... go back to Mike Vick and take Lamar out of the equation.... would you expect a coach to say that i know we just went 11-5, but, he has no clue what's happening in the playbook... we just keep winning cuz when he doesn't see an open guy, he runs and picks up 3rd and 15... has nothing to do with the plays i called or designed...

I guess i wouldn't expect any coach to say that while a player is active - now, if you asked those guys about Mike Vick NOW... hell, Mike Vick says it about himself...

Having said all that...NOW, infusing my opinion... Lamar's Wonderlic was 13.... I'm not judging, but.... dayum

Lmao. You are judging.

McNabb had a 14. I think that test is overrated.

[Steel Maniac]

Disagree strongly; no one except maybe the crazy redskins would have offered him an 18 mil a year deal. No one with half a brain is going to give him that deal. He’s not worth that amount. 14mil a year was great; 6mil more then the next rb. Anything more and Steeler management is bidding only against itself.

So... at this point, i'm neither supporting or discrediting that argument

SO... go back to Mike Vick and take Lamar out of the equation.... would you expect a coach to say that i know we just went 11-5, but, he has no clue what's happening in the playbook... we just keep winning cuz when he doesn't see an open guy, he runs and picks up 3rd and 15... has nothing to do with the plays i called or designed...

I guess i wouldn't expect any coach to say that while a player is active - now, if you asked those guys about Mike Vick NOW... hell, Mike Vick says it about himself...

Having said all that...NOW, infusing my opinion... Lamar's Wonderlic was 13.... I'm not judging, but.... dayum

Boom... nuff said.

[Steel Maniac]

That wasnt your arguement, your arguement was Jackson runs because he cant read defenses. That is not what his coach is saying, he just thinks Jackson is a dynamic runner.

Dude, at this level of football , no qb can constantly run. It’s a sure heatlh hazard. If you as a coach are saying your qb is going to run over 139 times this year, it is a condemnation of his passing skills. He can’t read defenses.

[hawaiiansteel]

McNabb had a 14. I think that test is overrated.

and Dan Marino scored a 15...

[Steel Maniac]

and Dan Marino scored a 15...

But he was coked up that day he took the test.

[Steel Maniac]

I know I like mark andrews as a TE fantasy sleeper because qbs like Jackson who can’t pass to WRs always lean heavy on the TE.

[Eich]

Dude, at this level of football , no qb can constantly run. It’s a sure heatlh hazard. If you as a coach are saying your qb is going to run over 139 times this year, it is a condemnation of his passing skills. He can’t read defenses.

At the same time, does any coach put out the whole truth this time of year? If Hairball is saying they're going to run over 139 times this year, that could just as easily mean that they're actually going to run him a lot less this year.

[Oh wow]

At the same time, does any coach put out the whole truth this time of year? If Hairball is saying they're going to run over 139 times this year, that could just as easily mean that they're actually going to run him a lot less this year.

Yeah. How many coaches tell you exactly what they plan to do this season at this time of year?

Of course they will use his legs this year but most reports so far talk about how much better his delivery is this year throwing the ball.
... and why the hell is Lamar the topic in a Bell thread? Lmao.

[Steel Maniac]

At the same time, does any coach put out the whole truth this time of year? If Hairball is saying they're going to run over 139 times this year, that could just as easily mean that they're actually going to run him a lot less this year.

I'll give you that; good point. But I've seen this type of QB too many times not to know the outcome.

[NorthCoast]

Dude, at this level of football , no qb can constantly run. It’s a sure heatlh hazard. If you as a coach are saying your qb is going to run over 139 times this year, it is a condemnation of his passing skills. He can’t read defenses.

I agree with Maniac on the first statement. A running QB is a death sentence in the NFL.
BUT, a 'scrambling' QB can give a defense fits.
The difference is a 'run' is designed, a scramble is a QB trying to make some yards.

[Northern_Blitz]

I agree with Maniac on the first statement. A running QB is a death sentence in the NFL.
BUT, a 'scrambling' QB can give a defense fits.
The difference is a 'run' is designed, a scramble is a QB trying to make some yards.

Was it Hines that pointed out this difference between Stewart and Ben?

Something like it's nice to have a QB that keeps his eyes down field when he breaks the pocket.

[hawaiiansteel]

Stephen Jones: RB market re-set with Le’Veon Bell deal

Posted by Josh Alper on August 6, 2019

When discussing Ezekiel Elliott‘s next contract in February, Cowboys executive vice president Stephen Jones said that the deal the Rams struck with Todd Gurley is “probably where it starts” for negotiations with Elliott.

Jones seems to feel a bit differently now. Gurley’s average annual salary is $14.375 million, but Le'Veon Bell signed a deal with the Jets that calls for average salaries of $13.125 million since those comments. Bell also got $10 million less in guaranteed money than Gurley, which is how his name came up in a question for Jones during an appearance on 105.3 The Fan Tuesday.

Jones was asked if he regrets intimating that the team would be using Gurley’s contract as a jumping off point in Elliott talks and his answer touched on the Bell deal reshaping the playing field for running back contracts.

“No, I still think that’s within the realm. At the same time, I think the market re-set with Le’Veon,” Jones said. “I think you see what happens with Gurley and you get a great player like Le’Veon, who’s every bit as well thought of as Gurley and he had unfettered free agency. He had 32 teams with no draft picks attached, and the market was $13.5 million . . . less than Gurley’s. At the end of the day, business changes, and we pay attention to that.”

Jones was asked if the difference between the two deals was so great, even at the actual figures, that the team would risk going into next season without Elliott. Jones said the team’s made a “very generous” offer to the running back, although it’s clear Elliott doesn’t agree that it is as generous as it should be and he likely wouldn’t agree with being comped to Bell rather than Gurley either.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/08/06/stephen-jones-rb-market-re-set-with-leveon-bell-deal/

[Oh wow]

With all the extra stuff they put in contracts I have no idea which one is better.

Gurley makes kore than Bell but if they both hit all their incentives Bell makes more.

I think it comes down to Zeke making more than both for it to be a good deal.. lol.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

but if they both hit all their incentives Bell makes more.

Sounds like the type of thing that Bell turned down and sat out a year for. He wanted guarantees, not a performance based contract.