Arians 'retirement"

[SteelCrazy]

Crash isnt delusional... maybe a bit sensational but he has stats, facts, game tapes, etc to back up his argument. Notice how all the stat post stopped after he dropped a few stats of his own.

It real easy to say the defense carried us to SB's but that wasnt the case. One thing arians was great at was scripting the first 15 plays. We had grrat results. He was also a vertical guy and while that was frustrating at times we also led the league on big plays and those were some game changing plays.

I know people love the dink and dunk but a draw back is kicking FG's instead of scoring TD's. I also remember Arians getting bashed for bubble screens... lmao, we still run a ton and no one complains.

IMO it was a whole bunch of dog piling on Arians because we only made it to 2 SB's. That is delusional IMO.

one more thing, how does a number 1 D get us to a SB last year? Thats just yapping IMO. We have no idea if that gets us a SB. Its all about matchups and splash plays. Its delusional to say 1 play would change the whole outcome of a game.

The reason I hated Arians is the timing of plays ran, not the plays themselves. On more then one occasion he would rutm from inside the 5 on three consecutive plays. I would then lead the charge asking for his head.

Also, he was not worried about protecting Ben long term, which really wasn't his job, but if he had a better success rate it wouldn't have been a big deal. Arians defenders also like to place blame on Ben for holding onto the ball too long, but for the plays Arians called he had no choice.

Haley hasn't had the consistency Arians had with our Defense. Also, Haley has improved every year as our OC, something Arians didn't do. Truth is, stats wise, Haley has had better luck with the O then Arians.

[Captain Lemming]

I also said that Dick LeBeau would finally get blame now that Arians is gone, and a local OC was hired.

Funny how that quote is never mentioned by YOU or Lemming.

And it's exactly what happened.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

[SteelCrazy]

Then why did I fire Mr. Arians? He went to Denver without his starting center, his starting tailback, his franchise QB was playing hurt and he scored 23 points.

What the hell was I thinking? I knew I shouldn't have chugged that 5th of Jameson after that game. That damned Tebow.

Defense can't bail you out every time. Some times the Offense has to bail out the Defense.

[BURGH86STEEL]

The offense is probably statistically better under Haley. It's debatable that Haley's had/has a more mature Ben, a better Oline, and possibly better overall weapons to work with then Arians had. One factor that may not be debatable is that Ben seemed to be more of a clutch QB under Arians.

Arians was a good coach here. I don't think the organization handled the Arians situation properly.

[Art Rooney II]

Defense can't bail you out every time. Some times the Offense has to bail out the Defense.

Mr. Arians and Mr. Roethlisberger did that plenty. It didn't matter to me.

Toddy offered me a full time fullback and free golf lessons at Scally's.

Problems solved.

[feltdizz]

Defense can't bail you out every time. Some times the Offense has to bail out the Defense.

Like the AZ superbowl drive or scoring 23 points vs a Denver team with Tebow and still losing due to the D being paper champs.

[BradshawsHairdresser]

Seems to me the best way to try to win a Super Bowl is to have a championship-caliber offense AND defense. Then the O can "bail out" the D, or the D can "bail out" the O as needed, if either unit is having an off day. I'm NOT saying that either unit has to be ranked #1, but they both need to be able to rise to the occasion.

[Art Rooney II]

Seems to me the best way to try to win a Super Bowl is to have a championship-caliber offense AND defense. Then the O can "bail out" the D, or the D can "bail out" the O as needed, if either unit is having an off day. I'm NOT saying that either unit has to be ranked #1, but they both need to be able to rise to the occasion.

My brilliant front office gave Mr. Roethlisberger in 2005:

Ward, Randle El, Cedrick Wilson, Nate Washington.

Not exactly the 1978 or even the 1995 group right there.

An undrafted free agent at running back.

A rookie #1 pick tight end.

In 16 games that season he was:

226 of 361 (62% ) for 3188 yards (8.3 YPA) for 24 TDS 12 INTS, 99.3 QB rating 5 rush tds = 29 total TDs

While my millionaire's on defense struggled in the 4th quarter early in the year and gave up 17 straight points to start the 2005 playoffs in Cincy that season.

[Captain Lemming]

LMAO.. Crash schooled the #### outta you guys. All these stats were thrown out (not my thing) and after Crash threw a few more out there the whole conversation changed to bashing Crash for his predictions that are obviously bathed in hyperbole.

We went to 2 SB's in 5 years with Arians and you guys bitched and moaned the whole time about Arians being the reason we didn't win 4 SB's.

"Ben would be out of the league if Arians was still here" is another bulls### lie. Ben has been hurt more often with Haley than with Arians. When Ben gets into a groove he still reverts back to who he is and takes hits cause he is that type of QB.

I can't understand how an OC who Ben loved and had success with is bashed so often. I guess it's because it's Pittsburgh and that hate is usually reserved for the QB but since Ben is loved by most they put it on Arians.

Stat ended because "I" have a job Dizz.
Here is a stat:
Dizz, how many times has Ben been to a playoff with less than a top defense? TWICE.
Who was the ONLY OC to do that. Haley.

If your defense gives up 14 points (2008 SB team average), your offense only needs to score 15 to win. We scored 21 a game, sufficient ONLY if the defense is dominant.
If your defense gives up 23 points (2014 average), your offense needs AT LEAST TWO MORE SCORES to win on average. 2014 we scored 27 a game, enough to overcome a struggling defense.

Now I know Crash "dazzles you" with his "But on a full moon, on artificial surfaces, in the second week of October, on a leap year, when playing teams with bird mascots, on the west coast, Arians is better" gibberish.


Not rocket science Dizz
How bout this, we score way more with Haley period.

Say what you want about "wins". They are a function of BOTH sides of the ball.
Arian HAS won more. But:
With the Steelers and Cardinals Arians has NEVER won with a "weak" defense. NEVER.
Almost his entire career he has had the help of a top defense while his offensive points are average.
EVEN ON AZ last season was his FIRST elite offense.

Haley has gotten to the playoffs AND a Superbowl with weak defenses.

"Schooled" by Crash Dizz? Me?

I Don't Think So

[Slapstick]

even without those 2 we still should have more than 1 playoff win and I dont think its a good thing to point to arians right now as proof we are better.

better at what?

If Arians was the OC and we had these results you guys would kill him for his playoff record and lack of production in the postseason.

its pretty pathetic to brag about rankings... you guys turn around and laugh at Arians for having the #1 offense and only scoring X amount of points. Make up your minds.

Dont get me wrong, i like the fight we showed vs Denver but I will never understand how people laugh at Arians and say we are sooo much better when we havent had the W's to back it up.

Honestly, I don't have a problem with Arians...but, it isn't like we were living in this golden age of awesome offense when we won SBs with a franchise QB and a legendary defense...

[Art Rooney II]

Honestly, I don't have a problem with Arians...but, it isn't like we were living in this golden age of awesome offense when we won SBs with a franchise QB and a legendary defense...

My former franchise QB in 2005, his first ring:

226 of 361 (62% ) for 3188 yards (8.3 YPA) for 24 TDS 12 INTS, 99.3 QB rating 5 rush tds = 29 total TDs

What more do you want from a 2nd year pro? Should I have kept Kordell instead?

[Captain Lemming]

My brilliant front office gave Mr. Roethlisberger in 2005:

Ward, Randle El, Cedrick Wilson, Nate Washington.

Not exactly the 1978 or even the 1995 group right there.

An undrafted free agent at running back.

A rookie #1 pick tight end.

In 16 games that season he was:

226 of 361 (62% ) for 3188 yards (8.3 YPA) for 24 TDS 12 INTS, 99.3 QB rating 5 rush tds = 29 total TDs

Worked for us just like it does the Pats. Pay the great QBs.

[Slapstick]

My former franchise QB in 2005, his first ring:

226 of 361 (62% ) for 3188 yards (8.3 YPA) for 24 TDS 12 INTS, 99.3 QB rating 5 rush tds = 29 total TDs

What more do you want from a 2nd year pro? Should I have kept Kordell instead?

Ben was fine...even better, now...but, we aren't talking about him...

[Captain Lemming]

If Arians was the OC and we had these results you guys would kill him for his playoff record and lack of production in the postseason.

No if he was setting team scoring record but losing in the playoffs with injury riddled teams, that is EASY to understand.
Dizz we lost to a defense that allowed NINE to the scoring champs, without our best TWO backs, top ranked Olineman, BEST receiver, AND a hurt QB.

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[Captain Lemming]

Ben was fine...even better, now...but, we aren't talking about him...

We are ALWAYS talking about Ben.
Don't you know your just having called Ben a "franchise QB" means nothing to Crash?

Disagree with the delusional rantings of Crash and YOU MUST hate Ben.