"It's scary how good Ben can be"

[williar]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

This thread is a joke! And many of these comments are too. Our offense for the most part continues to be a dysfunctional mess and it's reflective of our QB. Ben's stupid, careless, undisciplined play was on full display as his interceptions set the tone for our fate in XLV. It proved again that when the defense is unable to carry the load then most of the time we will lose the game. Ben has been in the league almost 10 years and still can't read defenses, looks confused, inconsistent, can't throw the deep ball, inaccurate with most of his passes, and takes unneccesary sacks. How can you miss so many wide open receivers in the game that matters the most. Yeah! I know! It was the receivers fault. This dude needs to spend some time in the film room and learn some fundamentals.

[hawaiiansteel]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

Ben has been in the league almost 10 years

Ben was drafted in the 2004 NFL Draft and during those 7 seasons we've gone to the Super Bowl three times, winning two of them. How many QBs can you name that have done better than that?

[LordVile]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

Ben has been in the league almost 10 years

Ben was drafted in the 2004 NFL Draft and during those 7 seasons we've gone to the Super Bowl three times, winning two of them. How many QBs can you name that have done better than that?

[Crash]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

Yeah Ben is the reason Kemo got Ben's arm hit on pick #1 and Wallace was grabbed around the waist on pick #2.

Our great defense looks great against trash QBs and bad teams.

But when they play the top QBs most of what we saw in the SB is the norm because LeBeau plays with no balls and HOPES teams just makes their own mistakes instead of putting his play-makers in position to make plays. If he was going to have Troy line up within 5 yards of the LOS only three times all night what was the point of even dressing him?

Like I said, 3rd and 10 with all the momentum, and the great genius LeBeau rushed three men and had James friggin Harrison in pass coverage in the short middle on 3rd and ^&*( 10! .

If you are going to get beat, at least get beat with your best stuff but against good QBs we don't even try to force the issue. But they'll get 5 sacks against Jason Cambell's ilk and all we'll hear is how great they are and how LeBeau dials up the blitz's and all that PR crap.

In their last 5 quarters of SB play they have given up five TD passes. That's not good people.

[Crash]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

It's also amazing how a guy in his last 30 games can throw 47 TD passes and only 21 picks and yet can't read defenses, and has one of the best deep threats in the league and yet can't throw a deep ball?

Imagine how good Ben can be if he was actually any good at all?

[Oviedo]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

Yeah Ben is the reason Kemo got Ben's arm hit on pick #1 and Wallace was grabbed around the waist on pick #2.

Our great defense looks great against trash QBs and bad teams.

But when they play the top QBs most of what we saw in the SB is the norm because LeBeau plays with no balls and HOPES teams just makes their own mistakes instead of putting his play-makers in position to make plays. If he was going to have Troy line up within 5 yards of the LOS only three times all night what was the point of even dressing him?

Like I said, 3rd and 10 with all the momentum, and the great genius LeBeau rushed three men and had James friggin Harrison in pass coverage in the short middle on 3rd and ^&*( 10! .

If you are going to get beat, at least get beat with your best stuff but against good QBs we don't even try to force the issue. But they'll get 5 sacks against Jason Cambell's ilk and all we'll hear is how great they are and how LeBeau dials up the blitz's and all that PR crap.

In their last 5 quarters of SB play they have given up five TD passes. That's not good people.

Truth, but don't expect anything to change. Dom Capers has seemed to figure out in the 3-4 you can have DBs who can cover versus zone guys giving huge cushions.

[Notleadpoisoned]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

This thread is a joke! And many of these comments are too. Our offense for the most part continues to be a dysfunctional mess and it's reflective of our QB. Ben's stupid, careless, undisciplined play was on full display as his interceptions set the tone for our fate in XLV. It proved again that when the defense is unable to carry the load then most of the time we will lose the game. Ben has been in the league almost 10 years and still can't read defenses, looks confused, inconsistent, can't throw the deep ball, inaccurate with most of his passes, and takes unneccesary sacks. How can you miss so many wide open receivers in the game that matters the most. Yeah! I know! It was the receivers fault. This dude needs to spend some time in the film room and learn some fundamentals.

When I read negative posts like this one the first thing that comes to my mind is that 20 year cesspool of QB's we had to tolerate in between Bradshaw and Ben.

[feltdizz]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

This thread is a joke! And many of these comments are too. Our offense for the most part continues to be a dysfunctional mess and it's reflective of our QB. Ben's stupid, careless, undisciplined play was on full display as his interceptions set the tone for our fate in XLV. It proved again that when the defense is unable to carry the load then most of the time we will lose the game. Ben has been in the league almost 10 years and still can't read defenses, looks confused, inconsistent, can't throw the deep ball, inaccurate with most of his passes, and takes unneccesary sacks. How can you miss so many wide open receivers in the game that matters the most. Yeah! I know! It was the receivers fault. This dude needs to spend some time in the film room and learn some fundamentals.

When I read negative posts like this one the first thing that comes to my mind is that 20 year cesspool of QB's we had to tolerate in between Bradshaw and Ben.

We have had some horrible QB's and still made it to 4 AFCCG's and a SB...

I'm not knocking Ben, the guy has been great but people act like the Steelers were the Browns before he arrived. I don't think anyone wants to cut him or trade him... but it would be nice for him to show up in a SB before the 2 minute warning.

[Crash]

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I'm not knocking Ben, the guy has been great but people act like the Steelers were the Browns before he arrived.

And what would you call four of the previous six January's missing the playoffs, and two 10 loss seasons in the previous five prior to his arrival? Good football?

The Browns made the playoffs once in their first five years when they came back in the league.

The Steelers made the playoffs twice in that same span.

How were the teams so different prior to Ben's arrival again?

The new Browns beat the Steelers three times in five seasons before Ben. Ben is 12-1 against them.

If the Browns would have picked Ben? The entire division's landscape would have been completely reversed.

God Bless Butch Davis!

[williar]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

I'm not knocking Ben, the guy has been great but people act like the Steelers were the Browns before he arrived.

And what would you call four of the previous six January's missing the playoffs, and two 10 loss seasons in the previous five prior to his arrival? Good football?

The Browns made the playoffs once in their first five years when they came back in the league.

The Steelers made the playoffs twice in that same span.

How were the teams so different prior to Ben's arrival again?

The new Browns beat the Steelers three times in five seasons before Ben. Ben is 12-1 against them.

If the Browns would have picked Ben? The entire division's landscape would have been completely reversed.

God Bless Butch Davis!

With all due respect, some of us feel the exact opposite. You are giving Ben way too much credit. The steelers are a classy, perennial winning organization because of the way it has been ran (the Rooney Family) not because of Ben Roethlisberger. And Ben has challenged much of the steelers respected reputation due to his off the field antics.

I believe Ben is successful because he is a part of this organization, not the other way around. I don't believe for one second that Ben would have been a part of two super bowls if he was quarterbacking the browns, lions, raiders or any other lesser teams. Look at Carson Palmer. He's was way more talented then Ben coming out of college and was a stud his first few years in the league. But look at the toll being a part of the bengals dysfunctional organization has taken on him. Now, he's just a shell of himself. I believe there are more NFL organizations like the bengals than like the steelers.

Ben is fortunate to be a part of the steeler organization. He has been blessed to be on some talented teams where he didn't have to carry the load. As a result he has been elevated to some cult like status. On the other, the steelers organization knows how to win. Like Feltdizz said, we were successful without Ben. I think many of our playoff shortcomings had to do with Cowher. He had his share of problems coaching in big games. I don't think for one minute this team would not have continued to win even if Ben was on another team. There are other fish in the sea and the FO knows how to catch them.

[feltdizz]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

I'm not knocking Ben, the guy has been great but people act like the Steelers were the Browns before he arrived.

And what would you call four of the previous six January's missing the playoffs, and two 10 loss seasons in the previous five prior to his arrival? Good football?

The Browns made the playoffs once in their first five years when they came back in the league.

The Steelers made the playoffs twice in that same span.

How were the teams so different prior to Ben's arrival again?

The new Browns beat the Steelers three times in five seasons before Ben. Ben is 12-1 against them.

If the Browns would have picked Ben? The entire division's landscape would have been completely reversed.

God Bless Butch Davis!

when did Lebeau arrive? I think he made a difference in the D.

you need to stop acting like the Steelers were this pathetic franchise who couldn't win before Ben arrived. We had some pretty good teams under Cowher, it's crazy to suggest otherwise.

cherry picking when we missed the playoffs? C'mon... just list the actual records from 94 to 2003.

I think there is 3 AFCCG's and a SB if I'm not mistaken. That isn't a bad track record.

I'm not knocking Ben... I just think it's ludicrous to knock the Steelers without Ben. We had decent teams we just had average QB play.

[Crash]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

I'm not knocking Ben, the guy has been great but people act like the Steelers were the Browns before he arrived.

And what would you call four of the previous six January's missing the playoffs, and two 10 loss seasons in the previous five prior to his arrival? Good football?

The Browns made the playoffs once in their first five years when they came back in the league.

The Steelers made the playoffs twice in that same span.

How were the teams so different prior to Ben's arrival again?

The new Browns beat the Steelers three times in five seasons before Ben. Ben is 12-1 against them.

If the Browns would have picked Ben? The entire division's landscape would have been completely reversed.

God Bless Butch Davis!

when did Lebeau arrive? I think he made a difference in the D.

you need to stop acting like the Steelers were this pathetic franchise who couldn't win before Ben arrived. We had some pretty good teams under Cowher, it's crazy to suggest otherwise.

cherry picking when we missed the playoffs? C'mon... just list the actual records from 94 to 2003.

I think there is 3 AFCCG's and a SB if I'm not mistaken. That isn't a bad track record.

I'm not knocking Ben... I just think it's ludicrous to knock the Steelers without Ben. We had decent teams we just had average QB play.

You mentioned the Browns, not me. I compared the Steelers of 1999-2003 to the 1999-2003 Browns.

Don't change the argument when your point got soundly defeated.

[Crash]

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Like Feltdizz said, we were successful without Ben.

We won no rings from 1983-2003 prior to Ben.

How many of those teams above had solid defenses? Solid running games?

Now how many of those teams were held back because their QBs couldn't get the job done?

You are being ignorant. If anything the Steelers own past proves my point.

They let good QBs go over the years, Dawson, Morrall, Jack Kemp, they also cut Johnny Unitas.

They won NOTHING for 40 years.

They then draft Bradshaw, they allow him the patience to grow, they didn't dump him at the first signs of trouble like they did the others.

They won four SBs in 10 seasons with him.

Then, they ignored the QB position minus trades for flops Todd Blackledge and David Woodley after they PASSED on Dan Marino in the draft. Even when a guy like eventual Hall of Famer Jim Kelly was BEGGING them to try and trade for him when the USFL was in trouble. They tried to get by with stop gaps and projects, it failed.

feltdizz mentions the 1995 AFC title team? Guess what? That was the ONLY TEAM in the first 10 years of Bill Cowher's career that had a TOP TEN PASSING TEAM, and it was the only time in 10 years that he went to a Super Bowl.

So much for running the ball and playing defense huh?

It's a QB driven league and it always has been. You could say the Steelers of 1983-2003 were an extended version of the 2000's Baltimore Ravens. How many teams have the Ravens had in this decade that featured good running games and solid defenses only to be held back by bad QB play?

That's not winning football, if anything it's not winning ENOUGH because the most important position on the team let you down.

Only in simple minded Pittsburgh would fans value defense and running games over the QB position, even after their own teams history makes that opinion basically worthless.

A perennial winning organization? This team was founded in 1933, not 1970 when Bradshaw arrived.

[NJ-STEELER]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

yeah

i guess some people here have a different definition of "winning football"

[skyhawk]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

Like Feltdizz said, we were successful without Ben.

We won no rings from 1983-2003 prior to Ben.

How many of those teams above had solid defenses? Solid running games?

Now how many of those teams were held back because their QBs couldn't get the job done?

You are being ignorant. If anything the Steelers own past proves my point.

They let good QBs go over the years, Dawson, Morrall, Jack Kemp, they also cut Johnny Unitas.

They won NOTHING for 40 years.

They then draft Bradshaw, they allow him the patience to grow, they didn't dump him at the first signs of trouble like they did the others.

They won four SBs in 10 seasons with him.

Then, they ignored the QB position minus trades for flops Todd Blackledge and David Woodley after they PASSED on Dan Marino in the draft. Even when a guy like eventual Hall of Famer Jim Kelly was BEGGING them to try and trade for him when the USFL was in trouble. They tried to get by with stop gaps and projects, it failed.

feltdizz mentions the 1995 AFC title team? Guess what? That was the ONLY TEAM in the first 10 years of Bill Cowher's career that had a TOP TEN PASSING TEAM, and it was the only time in 10 years that he went to a Super Bowl.

So much for running the ball and playing defense huh?

It's a QB driven league and it always has been. You could say the Steelers of 1983-2003 were an extended version of the 2000's Baltimore Ravens. How many teams have the Ravens had in this decade that featured good running games and solid defenses only to be held back by bad QB play?

That's not winning football, if anything it's not winning ENOUGH because the most important position on the team let you down.

Only in simple minded Pittsburgh would fans value defense and running games over the QB position, even after their own teams history makes that opinion basically worthless.

A perennial winning organization? This team was founded in 1933, not 1970 when Bradshaw arrived.

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I just don't get the Ben detractors. It's not only his play but his presence on the field and that winning "mojo" that he brings. It's what a QB is supposed to bring. The Steelers haven't had that since 1983 and TB.

The presence was palpable as soon as he stepped on the field in 2004 and went 15-1 that season. He raised the play of EVERYONE on that team. That is something that can't be taught. Only a handful of QB's can influence the game at all positions.

He just makes everyone else on his team better. A true field general. I liken his "mojo" to Magic Johnson's ability to make everyone better. And the guys on the offense flat out want to PLAY for this guy.