"It's scary how good Ben can be"

[feltdizz]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

Well for that matter, I'm disappointed right now we didn't get #7 when it was right there for the taking if our QB could have managed to make a play or two. And hell yeah! I think our offense could do much better! Are their any Rogers, Brees, Brady's, Rivers, Mannings, available?

A poor Oline, mediocre receivers (Wallace drop), crappy penalty on ST's, his two picks, and a mental drubbing for two weeks by the lynch media constantly reminding him of Georgia. I think that finally was a bit too much for him.

Wallace drop? On that high azz pass on 4th down? Ben had a bad game... Miller was wide open too. I wish Ben would have went to the vets on the last drive.

The OL wasn't as bad as 2008 either.

The media didn't lynch him either over GA. It was one of the quietest media days of any SB. It was rather boring IMO and I think some drama or chalk board media hype would have helped us. We were flat.

[grotonsteel]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

Well for that matter, I'm disappointed right now we didn't get #7 when it was right there for the taking if our QB could have managed to make a play or two. And hell yeah! I think our offense could do much better! Are their any Rogers, Brees, Brady's, Rivers, Mannings, available?

Scoring 25 points against No.2 Defense should be good enough to win a SB especially when people tout that Steelers have the greatest defense after Steel Curtain.

BTW you won't afford those QB you mentioned unless you want to cut some big player from Defense. Are you willing to do that????

Steelers have invested more in their Defense compared to their Offense. So you would expect Defense to make some play. Steelers Defense got smoked because Steelers don't have CB who can play man coverage.

Did the so called No. 1 Defense made any plays in SB???? Did our great DC who can do no wrong called a great game??? He was schooled by Capers. Its the reality. Unless they draft good press coverage CB Steelers and Dick Lebeau stop giving those 10 yard cushions Steelers ain't winning any SB in near future.

Last season there were 3 teams next season there could be 7 teams. Stop drafting slow CB for a change...............Get some speed there.

[feltdizz]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

Well for that matter, I'm disappointed right now we didn't get #7 when it was right there for the taking if our QB could have managed to make a play or two. And hell yeah! I think our offense could do much better! Are their any Rogers, Brees, Brady's, Rivers, Mannings, available?

Scoring 25 points against No.2 Defense should be good enough to win a SB especially when people tout that Steelers have the greatest defense after Steel Curtain.

BTW you won't afford those QB you mentioned unless you want to cut some big player from Defense. Are you willing to do that????

Steelers have invested more in their Defense compared to their Offense. So you would expect Defense to make some play. Steelers Defense got smoked because Steelers don't have CB who can play man coverage.

Did the so called No. 1 Defense made any plays in SB???? Did our great DC who can do no wrong called a great game??? He was schooled by Capers. Its the reality. Unless they draft good press coverage CB Steelers and bad word Lebeau stop giving those 10 yard cushions Steelers ain't winning any SB in near future.

Last season there were 3 teams next season there could be 7 teams. Stop drafting slow CB for a change...............Get some speed there.

Our D gave up 24 points... while the D could have helped us out it's the O who lost the game for us.

McCarthy schooled Lebeau... I read somewhere that GB ran 3 pass plays over and over again. The worst thing we could have gone up against was a horrible running team who passes all day long with a moblie QB. Lebeau is a great DC but the elite QB's tend to lose the first time around and then pick Lebeau apart.

I would love to go CB the first round but the sad reality is a young guy won't see the field with the playbook we have on D. When Tyron Carter can stay on your D for years because he knows the playbook but is slow as mud it says a lot about the scheme we have in place.

[grotonsteel]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

Well for that matter, I'm disappointed right now we didn't get #7 when it was right there for the taking if our QB could have managed to make a play or two. And hell yeah! I think our offense could do much better! Are their any Rogers, Brees, Brady's, Rivers, Mannings, available?

Scoring 25 points against No.2 Defense should be good enough to win a SB especially when people tout that Steelers have the greatest defense after Steel Curtain.

BTW you won't afford those QB you mentioned unless you want to cut some big player from Defense. Are you willing to do that????

Steelers have invested more in their Defense compared to their Offense. So you would expect Defense to make some play. Steelers Defense got smoked because Steelers don't have CB who can play man coverage.

Did the so called No. 1 Defense made any plays in SB???? Did our great DC who can do no wrong called a great game??? He was schooled by Capers. Its the reality. Unless they draft good press coverage CB Steelers and bad word Lebeau stop giving those 10 yard cushions Steelers ain't winning any SB in near future.

Last season there were 3 teams next season there could be 7 teams. Stop drafting slow CB for a change...............Get some speed there.

Our D gave up 24 points... while the D could have helped us out it's the O who lost the game for us.

McCarthy schooled Lebeau... I read somewhere that GB ran 3 pass plays over and over again. The worst thing we could have gone up against was a horrible running team who passes all day long with a moblie QB. Lebeau is a great DC but the elite QB's tend to lose the first time around and then pick Lebeau apart.

I would love to go CB the first round but the sad reality is a young guy won't see the field with the playbook we have on D. When Tyron Carter can stay on your D for years because he knows the playbook but is slow as mud it says a lot about the scheme we have in place.

I would not just put blame it on O. When Steelers Defense is No.1 it is suppose to make plays and they failed miserably. And this not the story of current SB. We saw the trailer/highlights in SB43.

If Steelers don't change their scheme Steelers Defense will be torched. And if they are unable to find Defensive backs to do the job we will be seeing the same result. NFL is a copy cat league and blue print is out there how to defeat Steelers.

Lets see if Dick Lebeau changes his schemes and drafts players accordingly. If rookie CB can't contribute because of the scheme/playbook then i would say force Dick Lebeau to retire or make him a consultant and let Butler take over.

[ScoreKeeper]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

Felt and Liar watched the game together.

Blind leading the blind.

[feltdizz]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

I would not just put blame it on O. When Steelers Defense is No.1 it is suppose to make plays and they failed miserably. And this not the story of current SB. We saw the trailer/highlights in SB43.

If Steelers don't change their scheme Steelers Defense will be torched. And if they are unable to find Defensive backs to do the job we will be seeing the same result. NFL is a copy cat league and blue print is out there how to defeat Steelers.

Lets see if bad word Lebeau changes his schemes and drafts players accordingly. If rookie CB can't contribute because of the scheme/playbook then i would say force bad word Lebeau to retire or make him a consultant and let Butler take over.

I'm not letting the D off the hook. Lebeau will never be forced out and he shouldn't. There are only 3 or 4 QB's who can abuse Lebeau and our DB's. We will lose games under Butler and complain when it happens.


I don't like the DB play but they win more games then they lose.

That SB43 defense also scored 7 points on the best play ever by a defender. I'll role with DL and hope the new DB coach can improve upon what we have in place

[Scarletfire1970]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

I'm not knocking Ben, the guy has been great but people act like the Steelers were the Browns before he arrived.

And what would you call four of the previous six January's missing the playoffs, and two 10 loss seasons in the previous five prior to his arrival? Good football?

The Browns made the playoffs once in their first five years when they came back in the league.

The Steelers made the playoffs twice in that same span.

How were the teams so different prior to Ben's arrival again?

The new Browns beat the Steelers three times in five seasons before Ben. Ben is 12-1 against them.

If the Browns would have picked Ben? The entire division's landscape would have been completely reversed.

God Bless Butch Davis!

With all due respect, some of us feel the exact opposite. You are giving Ben way too much credit. The steelers are a classy, perennial winning organization because of the way it has been ran (the Rooney Family) not because of Ben Roethlisberger. And Ben has challenged much of the steelers respected reputation due to his off the field antics.

I believe Ben is successful because he is a part of this organization, not the other way around. I don't believe for one second that Ben would have been a part of two super bowls if he was quarterbacking the browns, lions, raiders or any other lesser teams. Look at Carson Palmer. He's was way more talented then Ben coming out of college and was a stud his first few years in the league. But look at the toll being a part of the bengals dysfunctional organization has taken on him. Now, he's just a shell of himself. I believe there are more NFL organizations like the bengals than like the steelers.

Ben is fortunate to be a part of the steeler organization. He has been blessed to be on some talented teams where he didn't have to carry the load. As a result he has been elevated to some cult like status. On the other, the steelers organization knows how to win. Like Feltdizz said, we were successful without Ben. I think many of our playoff shortcomings had to do with Cowher. He had his share of problems coaching in big games. I don't think for one minute this team would not have continued to win even if Ben was on another team. There are other fish in the sea and the FO knows how to catch them.

If the Steelers organization is so top notch, why did they pay a game manger franchise QB money? It is the Steelers Organization you should be mad at.

[grotonsteel]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

I would not just put blame it on O. When Steelers Defense is No.1 it is suppose to make plays and they failed miserably. And this not the story of current SB. We saw the trailer/highlights in SB43.

If Steelers don't change their scheme Steelers Defense will be torched. And if they are unable to find Defensive backs to do the job we will be seeing the same result. NFL is a copy cat league and blue print is out there how to defeat Steelers.

Lets see if bad word Lebeau changes his schemes and drafts players accordingly. If rookie CB can't contribute because of the scheme/playbook then i would say force bad word Lebeau to retire or make him a consultant and let Butler take over.

I don't like the DB play but they win more games then they lose.

I agree they win more often than not but unfortunately in play off and Super Bowl Steelers will face a really good QB who will exploit that 10 yard cushion.

Hopefully Tomlin and Steelers FO will make changes accordingly and scrap that 10 yard cushion plays on crucial 3rd and long down. I am pretty sure Tomlin will be looking for some press coverage CB at the combine.

[Crash]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

And don't forget Ben did not play well in super bowl XL, XLV, and was not spectacular in XLIII. He did not have a good playoff run leading up to super bowl XLV. Did not play well in the playoff run in 2004 when we lost to the patriots in the AFCCG. So even in the most recent success, this team does not live or die on the play of Roethlisberger.

Ben came out on fire in XLIII. Watch the game.

If anything our precious defense kept the Cards in the game because as usual after we score a TD and went up 10-0 guess what? The great defense gave it right back.

[Crash]

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My point was the Steelers weren't horrible before Ben arrived.

Yeah most teams are considered winners when they miss the playoffs 4 of the previous six seasons and have two 10 loss seasons in the previous five.

Silly me.

[Crash]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

Unless you were in the stadium in 1935 it makes no sense to point out the 1930's, 40's and 50's.

He talked about the way the Rooney's "ran" this franchise.

Well before Bradshaw showed up, this team, under the Rooney ownership, won SQUAT for 40 years and were one of the worst teams in professional sports.

[Crash]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

The media didn't lynch him either over GA.

When? During SB media day? No they didn't. But Goodell's quotes to King already did the damage for them. But other articles with flat out lies were written about Ben that week as they are still being written today.

The media did roast him for the entire off season, which is why he was suspended.

Where was the same black media who demanded that 6-5 cracker's head on a platter when Perrish Cox was charged with felony rape of a "helpless victim"?

Oh that's right, Cox is black, so it's OK.

Be-lie-dat!

[NJ-STEELER]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

yeah

i guess some people here have a different definition of "winning football"

This is winning football my friend. It's not SB ring football but it's "winning" football.

• Jan.5, 2003 - Pittsburgh 36, Cleveland 33 - AFC Wild Card

• Jan. 27, 2002 - New England 24, Pittsburgh 17 - AFC Championship

• Jan. 20, 2002 - Pittsburgh 27, Baltimore 10 - AFC Divisional

• Jan. 11, 1998 - Denver 24, Pittsburgh 21 - AFC Championship

• Jan. 3, 1998 - Pittsburgh 7, New England 6 - AFC Divisional

• Jan. 5, 1997 - New England 28, Pittsburgh 3 - AFC Divisional

• Dec. 29, 1996 - Pittsburgh 42, Indianapolis 14 - AFC Wild Card

• Jan. 28, 1996 - Dallas 27, Pittsburgh 17 - Super Bowl

• Jan. 14, 1996 - Pittsburgh 20, Indianapolis 16 - AFC Championship

• Jan. 6, 1996 - Pittsburgh 40, Buffalo 21 - AFC Divisional

• Jan. 15, 1995 - San Diego 17, Pittsburgh 13 - AFC Championship

• Jan. 7, 1995 - Pittsburgh 29, Cleveland 9 - AFC Divisional

• Jan. 8, 1994 - Kansas City 24, Pittsburgh 23 - AFC Wild Card

• Jan. 9, 1993 - Buffalo 24, Pittsburgh 3 - AFC Divisional

• Jan. 7, 1990 - Denver 24, Pittsburgh 23 - AFC Divisional

• Dec. 31, 1989 - Pittsburgh 26, Houston 23 - AFC Wild Card

• Jan. 6, 1985 - Miami 45, Pittsburgh 28 - AFC Championship

• Dec. 30, 1984 - Pittsburgh 24, Denver 17 - AFC Divisional

• Jan. 1, 1984 - Los Angeles 38, Pittsburgh 10 - AFC Divisional

• Jan. 9, 1983 - San Diego 31, Pittsburgh 28 - AFC Playoff

Steeler fans have a Ricky Bobby mentality.

I know winning a SB is the ultimate goal but acting like the Steelers were cellar dwellers before Ben isn't a true representation of our team.

It's like a Bills fan saying those Jim Kelly teams sucked if they won a SB 2 years after Kelly retired. Ben can be great without sh!tting on on those past Steeler teams who were one piece away from closing the deal. Ben is a great QB but I'll be damned if some Ben nut hugger (not you ) tries to throw dirt on past Steeler teams because they came up short. We had some damn good teams some years. Just because they didn't win it all it doesn't mean they weren't good.

Ben is a beast but some people showed their delusional side with the 0-4 or 1-3 predictions without Ben. People who give Ben all the credit swore up and down that we couldn't even field a team without him.

Like I said earlier... the Steelers have shown the ability to get to AFCCG's.... but Ben is the key to winning AFCCG's. Teams who make AFCCG's and playoffs more times then they miss it our considered winning teams.

dont know what part of the country you were in for most of that, but i can tell you after the 01 choke the steelers were the laughing stock on NY radio shows when discussing contenders in the league each year after that.

not to mention fans of various teams around

[feltdizz]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

[quote=NJ-STEELER]

yeah

i guess some people here have a different definition of "winning football"

This is winning football my friend. It's not SB ring football but it's "winning" football.

• Jan.5, 2003 - Pittsburgh 36, Cleveland 33 - AFC Wild Card

• Jan. 27, 2002 - New England 24, Pittsburgh 17 - AFC Championship

• Jan. 20, 2002 - Pittsburgh 27, Baltimore 10 - AFC Divisional

• Jan. 11, 1998 - Denver 24, Pittsburgh 21 - AFC Championship

• Jan. 3, 1998 - Pittsburgh 7, New England 6 - AFC Divisional

• Jan. 5, 1997 - New England 28, Pittsburgh 3 - AFC Divisional

• Dec. 29, 1996 - Pittsburgh 42, Indianapolis 14 - AFC Wild Card

• Jan. 28, 1996 - Dallas 27, Pittsburgh 17 - Super Bowl

• Jan. 14, 1996 - Pittsburgh 20, Indianapolis 16 - AFC Championship

• Jan. 6, 1996 - Pittsburgh 40, Buffalo 21 - AFC Divisional

• Jan. 15, 1995 - San Diego 17, Pittsburgh 13 - AFC Championship

• Jan. 7, 1995 - Pittsburgh 29, Cleveland 9 - AFC Divisional

• Jan. 8, 1994 - Kansas City 24, Pittsburgh 23 - AFC Wild Card

• Jan. 9, 1993 - Buffalo 24, Pittsburgh 3 - AFC Divisional

• Jan. 7, 1990 - Denver 24, Pittsburgh 23 - AFC Divisional

• Dec. 31, 1989 - Pittsburgh 26, Houston 23 - AFC Wild Card

• Jan. 6, 1985 - Miami 45, Pittsburgh 28 - AFC Championship

• Dec. 30, 1984 - Pittsburgh 24, Denver 17 - AFC Divisional

• Jan. 1, 1984 - Los Angeles 38, Pittsburgh 10 - AFC Divisional

• Jan. 9, 1983 - San Diego 31, Pittsburgh 28 - AFC Playoff

Steeler fans have a Ricky Bobby mentality.

I know winning a SB is the ultimate goal but acting like the Steelers were cellar dwellers before Ben isn't a true representation of our team.

It's like a Bills fan saying those Jim Kelly teams sucked if they won a SB 2 years after Kelly retired. Ben can be great without sh!tting on on those past Steeler teams who were one piece away from closing the deal. Ben is a great QB but I'll be damned if some Ben nut hugger (not you ) tries to throw dirt on past Steeler teams because they came up short. We had some damn good teams some years. Just because they didn't win it all it doesn't mean they weren't good.

Ben is a beast but some people showed their delusional side with the 0-4 or 1-3 predictions without Ben. People who give Ben all the credit swore up and down that we couldn't even field a team without him.

Like I said earlier... the Steelers have shown the ability to get to AFCCG's.... but Ben is the key to winning AFCCG's. Teams who make AFCCG's and playoffs more times then they miss it our considered winning teams.

dont know what part of the country you were in for most of that, but i can tell you after the 01 choke the steelers were the laughing stock on NY radio shows when discussing contenders in the league each year after that.

not to mention fans of various teams around[/quote:ey4egjiq]

for 2 to 3 whole years we were the laughing stock of the league on NYC radio? I'm shocked

[feltdizz]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

And don't forget Ben did not play well in super bowl XL, XLV, and was not spectacular in XLIII. He did not have a good playoff run leading up to super bowl XLV. Did not play well in the playoff run in 2004 when we lost to the patriots in the AFCCG. So even in the most recent success, this team does not live or die on the play of Roethlisberger.

Ben came out on fire in XLIII. Watch the game.

If anything our precious defense kept the Cards in the game because as usual after we score a TD and went up 10-0 guess what? The great defense gave it right back.

You mean the pass to Ward to start the game

The D made a 14 point swing on the last play of the half. If they didn't give up the Fitz TD last Ben's SB performance would have been forgettable.

Instead of bashing the D you should thank them. Without that collapse Ben would be a legend for being the QB who wins SB's without throwing TD's.