"It's scary how good Ben can be"

[feltdizz]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

I'm a fan of Ben... I know some people think I'm not because I give other people on our team credit and don't bash BA for incompletions or INT's but I really am a fan of Ben and know he is the difference between our team being good and our team being GREAT!

My beef is with those who speak about our franchise like they were getting ready to pack up and move to LA until Ben arrived. My beef is with those who talk about our past Steeler teams like they rarely made the playoffs.

While some can admit our franchise is successful others need to talk about our franchise like they were losers and a joke until Ben got under center.

[BURGH86STEEL]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

Inconsistency is Ben's biggest issue as a QB. His inconsistent play is a big reason why the offense remains an inconsistent force. Ben is one of the top QB's in the league. He's just not as consistent as some of the other top QB's in the league.

At this point of his career, I don't believe Ben will ever become scary good. At some point, the injuries from his style of play will catch up to him. We can only hope that Ben decides to become a smarter QB as he ages. Becoming smarter may go a long way to help extend his career.

[williar]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

Inconsistency is Ben's biggest issue as a QB. His inconsistent play is a big reason why the offense remains an inconsistent force. Ben is one of the top QB's in the league. He's just not as consistent as some of the other top QB's in the league.

At this point of his career, I don't believe Ben will ever become scary good. At some point, the injuries from his style of play will catch up to him. We can only hope that Ben decides to become a smarter QB as he ages. Becoming smarter may go a long way to help extend his career.

Good Post! All I want is some objectivity when it comes to Ben. He has many flaws in his game that stand corrected for him to get better and become a more complete QB. I understand we have been successful but I'm certainly not stupid enough to give Ben all the credit. Watching him run the offense is not pretty. We don't execute very well and have had issues scoring points. It's not all Arians or the OL's fault. There have been enough times when we have won inspite of Ben's play for me to sit here and say we win because of Ben. That's crazy, and most objectional fans understand that.

[Crash]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

Anyone who says Ben is "inconsistent"? Doesn't watch him play.

Period.

Yeah, we do have issues scoring points. And you know why? We are too concerned with playing "Stiller Football" in the redzone with our vaunted two TE set running attack.

[Oviedo]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

Like Arians, can you really evaluate Ben objectively and properly with the OL we have had the past three years?

I think not.

[feltdizz]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

Like Arians, can you really evaluate Ben objectively and properly with the OL we have had the past three years?

I think not.

it is what it is though Ovie...

given Ben's salary, the way he plays football, the commitment to our D and our BPA drafting history Ben will probably be gone by the time we get a solid OL.

Everyone keeps saying "if Ben had time he would carve D's up"

We have watched Ben have time and guess what? The results are the same. He makes some great throws, he makes some horrible throws.... and he pumps, pumps and breaks the pocket and gets yards on the ground or extends the play.

[Crash]

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The OL is only half the problem.

The biggest problem is formation predictability. When Speath and or Johnson is on the field? Most times its a run. Then they get yanked on second and long and in comes the WRs? It's a pass.

Three wide base. Then we aren't having these moronic discussions.

[feltdizz]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

Anyone who says Ben is "inconsistent"? Doesn't watch him play.

Period.

Yeah, we do have issues scoring points. And you know why? We are too concerned with playing "Stiller Football" in the redzone with our vaunted two TE set running attack.

on a scale of 1 to 10 how good was Ben in the SB?

[Crash]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

My beef is with those who talk about our past Steeler teams like they rarely made the playoffs.

So again, what would you call a team that missed the playoffs 4 of 6 seasons prior to his arrival?

Don't ignore the question. Answer it.

[grotonsteel]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

Inconsistency is Ben's biggest issue as a QB. His inconsistent play is a big reason why the offense remains an inconsistent force. Ben is one of the top QB's in the league. He's just not as consistent as some of the other top QB's in the league.

At this point of his career, I don't believe Ben will ever become scary good. At some point, the injuries from his style of play will catch up to him. We can only hope that Ben decides to become a smarter QB as he ages. Becoming smarter may go a long way to help extend his career.

Good Post! All I want is some objectivity when it comes to Ben. He has many flaws in his game that stand corrected for him to get better and become a more complete QB. I understand we have been successful but I'm certainly not stupid enough to give Ben all the credit. Watching him run the offense is not pretty. We don't execute very well and have had issues scoring points. It's not all Arians or the OL's fault. There have been enough times when we have won inspite of Ben's play for me to sit here and say we win because of Ben. That's crazy, and most objectional fans understand that.

No one is saying Steelers win because of Ben but he was missing piece of the puzzle.It is no coincidence Steelers started winning when Ben became a QB.
You and BurghSteel are the ones who are beating the drum that
Steelers are winning without Ben...

Get a life...troll...


Care to name consistent QB in AFC???

Tom Brady (who has won nothing after caught cheating)
Peyton manning biggest choker in NFL (SB run he was 1 TD- 4 INT BTW)
Philip Rivers who can't take Chargers to playoffs even in a weak division...

[Crash]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

Anyone who says Ben is "inconsistent"? Doesn't watch him play.

Period.

Yeah, we do have issues scoring points. And you know why? We are too concerned with playing "Stiller Football" in the redzone with our vaunted two TE set running attack.

on a scale of 1 to 10 how good was Ben in the SB?

I'd say a 6. Erratic early. Notice the only time we moved the ball in the air was when Spaeth and Johnson were not on the field?

[grotonsteel]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

Anyone who says Ben is "inconsistent"? Doesn't watch him play.

Period.

Yeah, we do have issues scoring points. And you know why? We are too concerned with playing "Stiller Football" in the redzone with our vaunted two TE set running attack.

on a scale of 1 to 10 how good was Ben in the SB?

I would rate a 6. Could he have won the game for Steelers by playing better hell yes. But the same can be said for the entire team.

Whole team played horrible in SB why put blame on only QB.Bash the entire team.

[grotonsteel]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

My beef is with those who talk about our past Steeler teams like they rarely made the playoffs.

So again, what would you call a team that missed the playoffs 4 of 6 seasons prior to his arrival?

Don't ignore the question. Answer it.

They will move the goal post...

Williar and BurghSteel are resident Ben haters...so what they say take it with pinch of salt. They have different measuring sticks for different QB.

If you point out Tom Brady inconsistencies they will blame the Cheatroits defense for the loss. Same goes with Peyton Manning or Philip Rivers.

But yes according to them Steelers lose because of Ben even if Defense chokes like a bia and Steelers win all the games because of Defense, ben has got nothing to do with it. I am not sure if they watch any football games..

[grotonsteel]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

Like Arians, can you really evaluate Ben objectively and properly with the OL we have had the past three years?

I think not.

I believe Steelers Offense and OC get too much blame. When you don't have any constant in O-line or WR corp, Offense is going to be inconsistent. Also i believe Steelers have invested much more on defense than offense. I don't have numbers but i think they have and if that is the case no harm to expect more from Defense.

[Blockhead]

Re: "It's scary how good Ben can be"

So again, what would you call a team that missed the playoffs 4 of 6 seasons prior to his arrival?

Don't ignore the question. Answer it.

Why the 6 year cutoff? Why not use the entire 15 years of the previous leadership and coaching?

15 years
Games over .500: 59
Super Bowl Wins: 1
Overall Championships: 1
Conference Championships: 2
Division Championships: 9

Before Ben, 12 seasons under same coach, 8 of which ended in playoffs, most with more than 1 game or a bye in the playoffs.

That sounds like winning.