BA officially outta here!

[papillon]

Re: BA officially outta here!

Doesn't the new OC almost have to continue a similar offense? Starks, Kemo and Hartwig are all signed at a minimum through 2012 and they have been pass blocking for 2 years now. How much of a change can you expect and the offense still be effective?

Pappy

I posted a little above yours in this thread I do think we need to keep passing the football because our interior linemen can't runblock well at all. Hartwig isn't a good C and Stapleton & Essex are just fatbodies. Hartings and Faneca they are not.

Arians offense was too 'all or nothing'.....we need an OC with some imagination to incorporate our RB-TE-WR in a short passing attack to compliment the longer stuff. This will help our OL out so they don't have to hold their blocks forever. It will also put more of the pressure on our big money, high pick players to make plays with the football. How many times have you seen a QB throw a 5 yard completion to a WR-RB-TE against our D this season just to see one guy miss a tackle and all the sudden that 5 yard pass is a 15 yard gain?

I think in Arians offense we would bring everyone in to help block on 3rd & 5 but in the offense I envision, everyone goes out for the pass.

Ideally, we get this type of offense going while we try and either draft some better C & OG or Shipley, Foster, Urbick, Legursky emerge as good interior linemen.

Legursky intrigues me as a pulling guard for some reason. He is notoriously powerful and strong and I was reading he is freakishly fast for his size. I read he ran a 4.8 40yds. Just an idea. Put him at RG and keep Kemo at LG and have either one of them pull to lead the way.

The tale of the tape will be when the new OC is hired. If they hire a Mike Martz type it will be more of the same that was just sh1tcanned. If they bring in a Ron Meyer type then it will be turtle ball again.

Chan Gailey is the perfect guy for the job in my mind. A veteran that carries some clout, loves the pass to set up the run or vice versa if necessary and very nimble during a game to make changes if necessary.

I hope they don't give someone their first OC job he will fail miserably with this veteran offense.

Pappy

[phillyesq]

Re: BA officially outta here!

FWIW, Wexell's twitter feed say that his sources are telling him that nobody has been fired today. If the sources are legit, my guess is that the firing hasn't happened yet, but is imminent.

I like some of what Arians did. He used the bunch formation effectively, among other things. But I hated the way the FB was stripped from the offense. I also hated the empty set, the red zone woes, and so many of the other things that have been complained about. His attrocious playing against the Browns was up there with Mularkey calling all those passes in the blizzard against the Jets a few years back. The split between total yardage and points scored also shows his ineffectiveness.

I don't think that the offense needs to be completely scrapped. I think a few tweaks, including inclusion of the fullback and better situational play calling, will go a long way.

[papillon]

Re: BA officially outta here!

FWIW, Wexell's twitter feed say that his sources are telling him that nobody has been fired today. If the sources are legit, my guess is that the firing hasn't happened yet, but is imminent.

I like some of what Arians did. He used the bunch formation effectively, among other things. But I hated the way the FB was stripped from the offense. I also hated the empty set, the red zone woes, and so many of the other things that have been complained about. His attrocious playing against the Browns was up there with Mularkey calling all those passes in the blizzard against the Jets a few years back. The split between total yardage and points scored also shows his ineffectiveness.

I don't think that the offense needs to be completely scrapped. I think a few tweaks, including inclusion of the fullback and better situational play calling, will go a long way.

There were a lot of things I hated about the offense, but I learned to live with it, since, I didn't have any control over it. The offense was really entertaining this year if you were able to get past the hatred of Arians.

It's the same with Ben, until I accepted the way he plays quarterback I hated it. Now, I love it, Ben has made Steeler football as exciting as it has ever been. If he doesn't mind getting whacked 50 times a year I sure as hell don't care. It's entertaining and fun to watch when he does his thing.

Pappy

[NW Steeler]

Re: BA officially outta here!

I dont' care who the OC is for the Steelers Ben is not changing the way he plays the game. Maybe they'll hire Kevin Gilbride. :P

Pappy

that is not even close to being funny! Bite your tongue!!

[papillon]

Re: BA officially outta here!

I dont' care who the OC is for the Steelers Ben is not changing the way he plays the game. Maybe they'll hire Kevin Gilbride. :P

Pappy

that is not even close to being funny! Bite your tongue!!

:P

I made ya look...

Pappy

[msp26505]

Re: BA officially outta here!

FWIW, Wexell's twitter feed say that his sources are telling him that nobody has been fired today. If the sources are legit, my guess is that the firing hasn't happened yet, but is imminent.

I like some of what Arians did. He used the bunch formation effectively, among other things. But I hated the way the FB was stripped from the offense. I also hated the empty set, the red zone woes, and so many of the other things that have been complained about. His attrocious playing against the Browns was up there with Mularkey calling all those passes in the blizzard against the Jets a few years back. The split between total yardage and points scored also shows his ineffectiveness.

I don't think that the offense needs to be completely scrapped. I think a few tweaks, including inclusion of the fullback and better situational play calling, will go a long way.

There were a lot of things I hated about the offense, but I learned to live with it, since, I didn't have any control over it. The offense was really entertaining this year if you were able to get past the hatred of Arians.

It's the same with Ben, until I accepted the way he plays quarterback I hated it. Now, I love it, Ben has made Steeler football as exciting as it has ever been. If he doesn't mind getting whacked 50 times a year I sure as hell don't care. It's entertaining and fun to watch when he does his thing.

Pappy

I mind that he has had four concussions and that his style of play will almost certainly lead to more.

I would trade a little of the excitement and big play ability for having Ben around longer. At this rate, he will be done way too early.

[papillon]

Re: BA officially outta here!

FWIW, Wexell's twitter feed say that his sources are telling him that nobody has been fired today. If the sources are legit, my guess is that the firing hasn't happened yet, but is imminent.

I like some of what Arians did. He used the bunch formation effectively, among other things. But I hated the way the FB was stripped from the offense. I also hated the empty set, the red zone woes, and so many of the other things that have been complained about. His attrocious playing against the Browns was up there with Mularkey calling all those passes in the blizzard against the Jets a few years back. The split between total yardage and points scored also shows his ineffectiveness.

I don't think that the offense needs to be completely scrapped. I think a few tweaks, including inclusion of the fullback and better situational play calling, will go a long way.

There were a lot of things I hated about the offense, but I learned to live with it, since, I didn't have any control over it. The offense was really entertaining this year if you were able to get past the hatred of Arians.

It's the same with Ben, until I accepted the way he plays quarterback I hated it. Now, I love it, Ben has made Steeler football as exciting as it has ever been. If he doesn't mind getting whacked 50 times a year I sure as hell don't care. It's entertaining and fun to watch when he does his thing.

Pappy

I mind that he has had four concussions and that his style of play will almost certainly lead to more.

I would trade a little of the excitement and big play ability for having Ben around longer. At this rate, he will be done way too early.

I've accepted that fact as well and that's why I am trying to enjoy his career. I believe it will not last as long as Peyton Manning's.

Embrace it, support it, and enjoy it while it's here, that's my best advice. I don't see Ben changing. If Kenny Anderson, the ultimate check down, I don't want to get hit quarterback, couldn't change Ben, I doubt there is a man alive that will.

Pappy

[Flasteel]

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[SteelHead]

Re: BA officially outta here!

Wow. Quite the thread going here that I had to catch up on.

So BA might be gone. It shouldn't come as too much of a surprise and I can't say that I necessarily disagree with taking another direction but somehow I feel kinda worried about this whole deal. The reason, as others have mentioned is simple......Ben.

Ben is a instinctual QB at his core , that fact is undeniable. It's also obvious that he has improved the mental part of his game such as reading defenses , pre-snap and going through his progressions. Are they on a Peyton,Brady,Brees level......NO. But none of those guys can touch Ben in his specialty , sandlot football. Now do I ever expect Ben to be on their level in the areas I mentioned ? Nope. Don't see it happening. Not because he's not capable but he just doesn't want to be that type of QB. You can say it's because he doesn't work as hard as those guys in the film room , who knows might even be true. You can say he's just not as smart as those guys , might be true as well. You can say he's just a stubborn , cocky , uber confident QB who'll toe the company line between doing his due diligence in the classroom and practice field but ultimately will always fall back on his talent and confidence that he can win HIS way.

That we KNOW to be true. So all that longwindedness being said , If the FO and coaching staff bring in someone that's going to rub Ben the wrong way and try and change him to much this late in his career , it's going to spell disaster. Some will say Ben needs more direction and coaching and should just shut up , count his cash and do what's best for the team. I'm sure Ben would argue , he's done what's best for the team , win 2 Lombardi's.

Everyone may not like it but there are a different set of rules for a player like Ben. Maybe that plays into the whole "some players on the team don't like Ben" theory and maybe it plays into some of the fans criticisms of him as well.

Whatever. I certainly don't care. I'm sure Ben doesn't either.

[feltdizz]

Re: BA officially outta here!

FWIW, Wexell's twitter feed say that his sources are telling him that nobody has been fired today. If the sources are legit, my guess is that the firing hasn't happened yet, but is imminent.

I like some of what Arians did. He used the bunch formation effectively, among other things. But I hated the way the FB was stripped from the offense. I also hated the empty set, the red zone woes, and so many of the other things that have been complained about. His attrocious playing against the Browns was up there with Mularkey calling all those passes in the blizzard against the Jets a few years back. The split between total yardage and points scored also shows his ineffectiveness.

I don't think that the offense needs to be completely scrapped. I think a few tweaks, including inclusion of the fullback and better situational play calling, will go a long way.

There were a lot of things I hated about the offense, but I learned to live with it, since, I didn't have any control over it. The offense was really entertaining this year if you were able to get past the hatred of Arians.

It's the same with Ben, until I accepted the way he plays quarterback I hated it. Now, I love it, Ben has made Steeler football as exciting as it has ever been. If he doesn't mind getting whacked 50 times a year I sure as hell don't care. It's entertaining and fun to watch when he does his thing.

Pappy

I mind that he has had four concussions and that his style of play will almost certainly lead to more.

I would trade a little of the excitement and big play ability for having Ben around longer. At this rate, he will be done way too early.

I've accepted that fact as well and that's why I am trying to enjoy his career. I believe it will not last as long as Peyton Manning's.

Embrace it, support it, and enjoy it while it's here, that's my best advice. I don't see Ben changing. If Kenny Anderson, the ultimate check down, I don't want to get hit quarterback, couldn't change Ben, I doubt there is a man alive that will.

Pappy

I took your advice with Ben a while back and games have been more enjoyable..

I also did it with the 4th qtr D this year and it was less frustrating... I knew the 4th was meltdown time and although it was ugly to watch a few games in I just rolled with it.

[feltdizz]

Re: BA officially outta here!

Wow. Quite the thread going here that I had to catch up on.

So BA might be gone. It shouldn't come as too much of a surprise and I can't say that I necessarily disagree with taking another direction but somehow I feel kinda worried about this whole deal. The reason, as others have mentioned is simple......Ben.

Ben is a instinctual QB at his core , that fact is undeniable. It's also obvious that he has improved the mental part of his game such as reading defenses , pre-snap and going through his progressions. Are they on a Peyton,Brady,Brees level......NO. But none of those guys can touch Ben in his specialty , sandlot football. Now do I ever expect Ben to be on their level in the areas I mentioned ? Nope. Don't see it happening. Not because he's not capable but he just doesn't want to be that type of QB. You can say it's because he doesn't work as hard as those guys in the film room , who knows might even be true. You can say he's just not as smart as those guys , might be true as well. You can say he's just a stubborn , cocky , uber confident QB who'll toe the company line between doing his due diligence in the classroom and practice field but ultimately will always fall back on his talent and confidence that he can win HIS way.

That we KNOW to be true. So all that longwindedness being said , If the FO and coaching staff bring in someone that's going to rub Ben the wrong way and try and change him to much this late in his career , it's going to spell disaster. Some will say Ben needs more direction and coaching and should just shut up , count his cash and do what's best for the team. I'm sure Ben would argue , he's done what's best for the team , win 2 Lombardi's.

Everyone may not like it but there are a different set of rules for a player like Ben. Maybe that plays into the whole "some players on the team don't like Ben" theory and maybe it plays into some of the fans criticisms of him as well.

Whatever. I certainly don't care. I'm sure Ben doesn't either.

The only OC who can control Ben is Elway... and that ain't happening. I think Ben loves BA and would prefer he stay.. I also think Ben feels pretty good about this season on Offense. It cause confusion and tension but it could also present a new challenge for Ben to overcome and he seems to like challenges.

[flippy]

Re: BA officially outta here!

It's time for Mikey to get on the horn with Chan Gailey and Bobby April.

We've gotta remember we've still got a young coach and we should be surrounding him with the best minds in the biz.

And please Rooney's, provide some guidance to Mike. I didn't like some of his previous coaching hires.

[proudpittsburgher]

Re: BA officially outta here!

Wow. Quite the thread going here that I had to catch up on.

So BA might be gone. It shouldn't come as too much of a surprise and I can't say that I necessarily disagree with taking another direction but somehow I feel kinda worried about this whole deal. The reason, as others have mentioned is simple......Ben.

Ben is a instinctual QB at his core , that fact is undeniable. It's also obvious that he has improved the mental part of his game such as reading defenses , pre-snap and going through his progressions. Are they on a Peyton,Brady,Brees level......NO. But none of those guys can touch Ben in his specialty , sandlot football. Now do I ever expect Ben to be on their level in the areas I mentioned ? Nope. Don't see it happening. Not because he's not capable but he just doesn't want to be that type of QB. You can say it's because he doesn't work as hard as those guys in the film room , who knows might even be true. You can say he's just not as smart as those guys , might be true as well. You can say he's just a stubborn , cocky , uber confident QB who'll toe the company line between doing his due diligence in the classroom and practice field but ultimately will always fall back on his talent and confidence that he can win HIS way.

That we KNOW to be true. So all that longwindedness being said , If the FO and coaching staff bring in someone that's going to rub Ben the wrong way and try and change him to much this late in his career , it's going to spell disaster. Some will say Ben needs more direction and coaching and should just shut up , count his cash and do what's best for the team. I'm sure Ben would argue , he's done what's best for the team , win 2 Lombardi's.

Everyone may not like it but there are a different set of rules for a player like Ben. Maybe that plays into the whole "some players on the team don't like Ben" theory and maybe it plays into some of the fans criticisms of him as well.

Whatever. I certainly don't care. I'm sure Ben doesn't either.

The only OC who can control Ben is Elway... and that ain't happening. I think Ben loves BA and would prefer he stay.. I also think Ben feels pretty good about this season on Offense. It cause confusion and tension but it could also present a new challenge for Ben to overcome and he seems to like challenges.

And that's why I would rather keep BA on as OC, mostly because of Ben.

[Sugar]

Re: BA officially outta here!

It's time for Mikey to get on the horn with Chan Gailey and Bobby April.

We've gotta remember we've still got a young coach and we should be surrounding him with the best minds in the biz.

And please Rooney's, provide some guidance to Mike. I didn't like some of his previous coaching hires.

Were they his hires or the FO's? My impression was that Tomlin wasn't given much leeway to start.

[feltdizz]

Re: BA officially outta here!

so.... are we saying the Ken Anderson retiring is still proof he is fired or did KDKA and a few others jump the gun?

If BA isn't fired now I swear the city will burn LOL!!! It kinda feels like a few reporters are trying to force the Steelers hand. It would be really janky if they misreported this.