BA officially outta here!

[cruzer8]

Re: BA officially outta here!

When is SOMEONE going to get this through their thick skull?

The D was saddled with
a. The loss of Troy (a DPOY candidate in 08 - a MAJOR downgrade)
b. The loss of Aaron Smith (arguably a top 5 run stuffer - MAJOR downgrade)
c. The replacement of McFadden with William Gay (another MAJOR downgrade)


The O on the other hand
a. Replaced Parker with Mendy (an upgrade)
b. Gained Mike Wallace (a MAJOR upgrade and made us 3-deep at WR)

This is NOT apples and oranges. OK???

Great point!

[feltdizz]

Re: BA officially outta here!

When is SOMEONE going to get this through their thick skull?

The D was saddled with
a. The loss of Troy (a DPOY candidate in 08 - a MAJOR downgrade)
b. The loss of Aaron Smith (arguably a top 5 run stuffer - MAJOR downgrade)
c. The replacement of McFadden with William Gay (another MAJOR downgrade)


The O on the other hand
a. Replaced Parker with Mendy (an upgrade)
b. Gained Mike Wallace (a MAJOR upgrade and made us 3-deep at WR)

This is NOT apples and oranges. OK???

The D was saddled with
a. Troy has been lost before... we survived. I don't expect amazing, but I expect a ball being deflected or a player being on the screen when the WR catches or drops a wide open pass....

b. Smith was lost before.. the run suffered some, but Hood and Eason were nice in his absence. I don't think losing Smith was as big a deal. The DL was good this year IMO.

c.we knew McFadden wasn't returning, Gay was bad... but we had no other player step up and do something or challenge Gay... and I hear McFadden was getting torched too in AZ..

The O on the other hand
a. I love Mend.. why should I feel bad we have him?
b. Arians could have stuck with Sweed like Lebeau stuck with Gay.... what is so hard about realizing Lebeau had other options and never used them? How much worse could any young kid be over Gay?

in closing.... I think the last point about Gay says it all... we can lose, Ben, Hines and Heath and we have players who can all step in and resemble football players.

However when we lose Troy we lose the whole Defensive backfield. That isn't good coaching to me.. Our other DB's should be able to do what they did in the Miami game a few times a year against the worst offenses in football. Our young DB's should be able to play basic zone defense, or maybe Lebeau needs to simplify when Troy goes out.

[feltdizz]

Re: BA officially outta here!

When is SOMEONE going to get this through their thick skull?

The D was saddled with
a. The loss of Troy (a DPOY candidate in 08 - a MAJOR downgrade)
b. The loss of Aaron Smith (arguably a top 5 run stuffer - MAJOR downgrade)
c. The replacement of McFadden with William Gay (another MAJOR downgrade)


The O on the other hand
a. Replaced Parker with Mendy (an upgrade)
b. Gained Mike Wallace (a MAJOR upgrade and made us 3-deep at WR)

This is NOT apples and oranges. OK???

Great point!

want some cheese with that whine?
The D is saddled with.. boo effing hoo.. it's football, adjust.

The O got presents in Mend and Wallace..
No one is saying BA got the most out of 2 rookies and put them in positions to succeed?

Do you hear yourselves? you sound like you hate our good players on O!!!!
You should be happy our OC has Mend as the 3rd down back in his first full year and Wallace is a beast. He would still be on the bench if he was on D!!

[SteelAbility]

Re: BA officially outta here!

When is SOMEONE going to get this through their thick skull?

The D was saddled with
a. The loss of Troy (a DPOY candidate in 08 - a MAJOR downgrade)
b. The loss of Aaron Smith (arguably a top 5 run stuffer - MAJOR downgrade)
c. The replacement of McFadden with William Gay (another MAJOR downgrade)


The O on the other hand
a. Replaced Parker with Mendy (an upgrade)
b. Gained Mike Wallace (a MAJOR upgrade and made us 3-deep at WR)

This is NOT apples and oranges. OK???

Great point!

want some cheese with that whine?
The D is saddled with.. boo effing hoo.. it's football, adjust.

The O got presents in Mend and Wallace..
No one is saying BA got the most out of 2 rookies and put them in positions to succeed?

Do you hear yourselves? you sound like you hate our good players on O!!!!
You should be happy our OC has Mend as the 3rd down back in his first full year and Wallace is a beast. He would still be on the bench if he was on D!!

Geez are you hearing yourself? How do you get that we hate our good players on O. We are hating BA because the O is producing well below potential in terms of points scored. We believe this is due to predictable RZ offensive play-calling. Some people are enamored of yards gained and the first ever Steeler QB with 4K yards. Personally, I'm enamored of putting points on the board.

"It's football. Adjust." Ok, let's trade in Troy for a high-school quality player. After all, it's football and it's all about adjustments, not quality of players.

That's like criticizing someone who loses a fight with one hand tied to their side. "Well, it's fighting. You should have adjusted."

[phillyesq]

Re: BA officially outta here!

When is SOMEONE going to get this through their thick skull?

The D was saddled with
a. The loss of Troy (a DPOY candidate in 08 - a MAJOR downgrade)
b. The loss of Aaron Smith (arguably a top 5 run stuffer - MAJOR downgrade)
c. The replacement of McFadden with William Gay (another MAJOR downgrade)


The O on the other hand
a. Replaced Parker with Mendy (an upgrade)
b. Gained Mike Wallace (a MAJOR upgrade and made us 3-deep at WR)

This is NOT apples and oranges. OK???

The D was saddled with
a. Troy has been lost before... we survived. I don't expect amazing, but I expect a ball being deflected or a player being on the screen when the WR catches or drops a wide open pass....

b. Smith was lost before.. the run suffered some, but Hood and Eason were nice in his absence. I don't think losing Smith was as big a deal. The DL was good this year IMO.

c.we knew McFadden wasn't returning, Gay was bad... but we had no other player step up and do something or challenge Gay... and I hear McFadden was getting torched too in AZ..

The O on the other hand
a. I love Mend.. why should I feel bad we have him?
b. Arians could have stuck with Sweed like Lebeau stuck with Gay.... what is so hard about realizing Lebeau had other options and never used them? How much worse could any young kid be over Gay?

in closing.... I think the last point about Gay says it all... we can lose, Ben, Hines and Heath and we have players who can all step in and resemble football players.

However when we lose Troy we lose the whole Defensive backfield. That isn't good coaching to me.. Our other DB's should be able to do what they did in the Miami game a few times a year against the worst offenses in football. Our young DB's should be able to play basic zone defense, or maybe Lebeau needs to simplify when Troy goes out.

I think the failure of the DBs is lies more with the FO than it does with the Dick Lebeau. It isn't his fault that he didn't have any cover safeties on the roster, nor is it his fault that the corners couldn't cover anybody.

[Oviedo]

Re: BA officially outta here!

When is SOMEONE going to get this through their thick skull?

The D was saddled with
a. The loss of Troy (a DPOY candidate in 08 - a MAJOR downgrade)
b. The loss of Aaron Smith (arguably a top 5 run stuffer - MAJOR downgrade)
c. The replacement of McFadden with William Gay (another MAJOR downgrade)


The O on the other hand
a. Replaced Parker with Mendy (an upgrade)
b. Gained Mike Wallace (a MAJOR upgrade and made us 3-deep at WR)

This is NOT apples and oranges. OK???

Great point!

want some cheese with that whine?
The D is saddled with.. boo effing hoo.. it's football, adjust.

The O got presents in Mend and Wallace..
No one is saying BA got the most out of 2 rookies and put them in positions to succeed?

Do you hear yourselves? you sound like you hate our good players on O!!!!
You should be happy our OC has Mend as the 3rd down back in his first full year and Wallace is a beast. He would still be on the bench if he was on D!!

Geez are you hearing yourself? How do you get that we hate our good players on O. We are hating BA because the O is producing well below potential in terms of points scored. We believe this is due to predictable RZ offensive play-calling. Some people are enamored of yards gained and the first ever Steeler QB with 4K yards. Personally, I'm enamored of putting points on the board.

"It's football. Adjust." Ok, let's trade in Troy for a high-school quality player. After all, it's football and it's all about adjustments, not quality of players.

That's like criticizing someone who loses a fight with one hand tied to their side. "Well, it's fighting. You should have adjusted."

Just need to know why you aren't hating St LeBeau for the same reasons. Examples:

Hate BA because: "the O is producing well below potential in terms of points scored"

Don't hate DL for the defense getting shredded by mediocre QBs like Velveeta chese. That is well below potential too.

Hate BA because: "We believe this is due to predictable RZ offensive play-calling."

Don't hate DL for having total predictable prevent defnse in 4th quarter and very predictable blitz packages by Harrison and Woodley that pretty much every fan who watches every game could see coming 80% of the time before every snap.

Hate BA because "That's like criticizing someone who loses a fight with one hand tied to their side. "Well, it's fighting. You should have adjusted." "

Did anyone see a single adjustment this season to our secondary? Did St LeBeau do away with the 10 yard CB cushion? Did St LeBeau adjust to holding agaiunst Harrison being totally ignored?

Just a few things to think about. Equal opportunity critical assessment shouldbe part of this discussion. Especially since we will go into next season running exactly the same scheme on defense that led to 4th quarter collapses this season. Do you really think the old dog will learn new tricks. He loves "his" defense and he ain't going to call his baby ugly.

[feltdizz]

Re: BA officially outta here!

Thanks Oviedo.. It's nice to see some fans use commons sense when looking back at this season.

I thought an onside kick with a 2 point lead was the open letter to the team and fans about our D.

Steeler fans usually bash the QB and with Ben they won't do it so I think they look at BA as a good punching bag...

you would swear we trailed in 14 games this year.. when we were usually up 7 to 10 points in most games.

[Sugar]

Re: BA officially outta here!

Thanks Oviedo.. It's nice to see some fans use commons sense when looking back at this season.

I thought an onside kick with a 2 point lead was the open letter to the team and fans about our D.

Steeler fans usually bash the QB and with Ben they won't do it so I think they look at BA as a good punching bag...

you would swear we trailed in 14 games this year.. when we were usually up 7 to 10 points in most games.

That's 7-10 points in the 4th quarter too.

There is really no excuse for losing any game where we have a 10 point lead in the 4th. I don't care if the opposing offense gets the whole quarter, it's just not acceptable, IMO.

[Steeler Mafia]

Re: BA officially outta here!

Thanks Oviedo.. It's nice to see some fans use commons sense when looking back at this season.

Common Sense has long been lost on this board, let alone this particular thread this season.

The D failed because of:
1- Injuries
2- Lack of depth in secondary
3- No one "making plays" in the absence of our playmakers.
4- No INTs from our DBs until week 17
5- Unable to hold a lead in 4th quarter
6- Poor tackling
7- Not able to get off the field after 3rd down
8- Players taking bad angles
9- Not playing as a team


The O failed because of:
1- No Red Zone production
2- Not being able to run when we needed to (Basically no run game what-so-ever)
3- Poor Protection (But better than last year..how could it really get any worse?)
4- No creativity or mix in playcalling
5- Empty sets in "Situational Football"
6- Leaving too many points on the field
7- Poor 3rd down conversion percentage
8- Short yardage ability or lack thereof
9- What seemed like players too worried about stats rather than winning
10- 4th quarter TOP
11- Always going for the Home Run ball rather than taking what is given.

The ST failed becasue:
1- Our ST players suck and seem like they don't take their job seriously.
2- Poor tackling

If anyone else would like to add to these lists...feel free.

However, it isn't one area that cost this team this season. It is the combination of all three.

[flippy]

Re: BA officially outta here!

The whole team has sucked for several years now. Ben and Troy have been amazing and covered many flaws for some time.

For 2 years straight this is a team that wins or loses at the end of almost every game.

It's even harder to win like this without 2 of your best 3 players out.

But it's still not an excuse, backups must play to the same level as the guys they replace. We need better backups. And these better backups need to become starters.

And if Lebeau is so smart, why can't he come up with a system that allows younger players to contribute faster. F this complicated system. We need to figure out how to make young guys successful faster and that should be a priority for the defense. It's time for Mike T to take some more control on that side of the ball.

[feltdizz]

Re: BA officially outta here!

Thanks Oviedo.. It's nice to see some fans use commons sense when looking back at this season.

I thought an onside kick with a 2 point lead was the open letter to the team and fans about our D.

Steeler fans usually bash the QB and with Ben they won't do it so I think they look at BA as a good punching bag...

you would swear we trailed in 14 games this year.. when we were usually up 7 to 10 points in most games.

That's 7-10 points in the 4th quarter too.

There is really no excuse for losing any game where we have a 10 point lead in the 4th. I don't care if the opposing offense gets the whole quarter, it's just not acceptable, IMO.

people are talking about 10 point leads like we usually beat teams by 25...

we never beat teams by 20 points.. why should we now if our D is worse then it usually is? How does a D lose the 2 best players, people use that as the reason the D suffered... and then expect our O to score even more points????

it's twilight zone out here...

[RuthlessBurgher]

Re: BA officially outta here!

The whole team has sucked for several years now.

Who are you...and what have you done with our Flippy?

[Oviedo]

Re: BA officially outta here!

Thanks Oviedo.. It's nice to see some fans use commons sense when looking back at this season.

Common Sense has long been lost on this board, let alone this particular thread this season.

The D failed because of:
1- Injuries
2- Lack of depth in secondary
3- No one "making plays" in the absence of our playmakers.
4- No INTs from our DBs until week 17
5- Unable to hold a lead in 4th quarter
6- Poor tackling
7- Not able to get off the field after 3rd down
8- Players taking bad angles
9- Not playing as a team


The O failed because of:
1- No Red Zone production
2- Not being able to run when we needed to (Basically no run game what-so-ever)
3- Poor Protection (But better than last year..how could it really get any worse?)
4- No creativity or mix in playcalling
5- Empty sets in "Situational Football"
6- Leaving too many points on the field
7- Poor 3rd down conversion percentage
8- Short yardage ability or lack thereof
9- What seemed like players too worried about stats rather than winning
10- 4th quarter TOP
11- Always going for the Home Run ball rather than taking what is given.

The ST failed becasue:
1- Our ST players suck and seem liek they don't take their job seriously.
2- Poor tackling

If anyone else would like to add to these lists...feel free.

However, it isn't one area that cost this team this season. It is the combination of all three.

You are correct, but there is a general unwillingness to discuss the possibility that LeBeau's time has passed while continuing to rehash the same complaints about Arians we have heard over and over and over.

[feltdizz]

Re: BA officially outta here!

Thanks Oviedo.. It's nice to see some fans use commons sense when looking back at this season.

Common Sense has long been lost on this board, let alone this particular thread this season.

The D failed because of:
1- Injuries
2- Lack of depth in secondary
3- No one "making plays" in the absence of our playmakers.
4- No INTs from our DBs until week 17
5- Unable to hold a lead in 4th quarter
6- Poor tackling
7- Not able to get off the field after 3rd down
8- Players taking bad angles
9- Not playing as a team


The O failed because of:
1- No Red Zone production
2- Not being able to run when we needed to (Basically no run game what-so-ever)
3- Poor Protection (But better than last year..how could it really get any worse?)
4- No creativity or mix in playcalling
5- Empty sets in "Situational Football"
6- Leaving too many points on the field
7- Poor 3rd down conversion percentage
8- Short yardage ability or lack thereof
9- What seemed like players too worried about stats rather than winning
10- 4th quarter TOP
11- Always going for the Home Run ball rather than taking what is given.

The ST failed becasue:
1- Our ST players suck and seem liek they don't take their job seriously.
2- Poor tackling

If anyone else would like to add to these lists...feel free.

However, it isn't one area that cost this team this season. It is the combination of all three.

You are correct, but there is a general unwillingness to discuss the possibility that LeBeau's time has passed while continuing to rehash the same complaints about Arians we have heard over and over and over.

and they say BA refuses to adjust? LOL!! Great post Mafia... too bad most of the board will just point at Offense and bash on...

Someone made a great point though... every team has a ton of fans bashing their OC's...
yet we watch our D get torched and think it's due to the other OC's genius..

[Steeler Mafia]

Re: BA officially outta here!

Thanks Oviedo.. It's nice to see some fans use commons sense when looking back at this season.

Common Sense has long been lost on this board, let alone this particular thread this season.

The D failed because of:
1- Injuries
2- Lack of depth in secondary
3- No one "making plays" in the absence of our playmakers.
4- No INTs from our DBs until week 17
5- Unable to hold a lead in 4th quarter
6- Poor tackling
7- Not able to get off the field after 3rd down
8- Players taking bad angles
9- Not playing as a team


The O failed because of:
1- No Red Zone production
2- Not being able to run when we needed to (Basically no run game what-so-ever)
3- Poor Protection (But better than last year..how could it really get any worse?)
4- No creativity or mix in playcalling
5- Empty sets in "Situational Football"
6- Leaving too many points on the field
7- Poor 3rd down conversion percentage
8- Short yardage ability or lack thereof
9- What seemed like players too worried about stats rather than winning
10- 4th quarter TOP
11- Always going for the Home Run ball rather than taking what is given.

The ST failed becasue:
1- Our ST players suck and seem liek they don't take their job seriously.
2- Poor tackling

If anyone else would like to add to these lists...feel free.

However, it isn't one area that cost this team this season. It is the combination of all three.

You are correct, but there is a general unwillingness to discuss the possibility that LeBeau's time has passed while continuing to rehash the same complaints about Arians we have heard over and over and over.

Our D was strong last year because of LeBeau and because our players were healthy. They will be back to being dominant under Lebeau again.

Our O was only good inspite of Arians not becasue of him. You take away Bens backyard ability and creativity when plays break down and we end up a sub .500 football team this year. The O made it appear like they could score at will in the first half of games, but then would let off the gas in the second half unless there was something at stake. Usually by then we were out of time.