Steelers 2022 Offensive Rankings

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  • NJ-STEELER
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    • May 2008
    • 12563

    #46
    Sane offense??

    muth, fans and probably even coaches the offense was limited because KP was a rookie. He was not allowed to do what Ben and MT did with the offense

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    • NJ-STEELER
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      • May 2008
      • 12563

      #47
      Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
      Can anyone find a play like this schemed up for the Steelers in the last five years?

      https://www.49ers.com/video/yac-bros...hdown-playoffs

      these teams are light years ahead of us on the offensive side of the ball

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      • WindyCitySteel
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        • Nov 2011
        • 15675

        #48
        Originally posted by NJ-STEELER
        these teams are light years ahead of us on the offensive side of the ball
        None of those plays are difficult concepts or require insane talent to get players that open and get them the ball. Just smart, offensive minded coaches.

        They don't care about that in Pittsburgh, apparently.

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        • NorthCoast
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          • Sep 2008
          • 26626

          #49
          Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
          None of those plays are difficult concepts or require insane talent to get players that open and get them the ball. Just smart, offensive minded coaches.

          They don't care about that in Pittsburgh, apparently.
          Must be a lot of other dumb OCs besides Canada that can't do the same scheming then.

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          • WindyCitySteel
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            • Nov 2011
            • 15675

            #50
            Originally posted by NorthCoast
            Must be a lot of other dumb OCs besides Canada that can't do the same scheming then.
            Not many average fewer PPG, but yeah, this is a league of meatheads and the bookworms rule it.

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            • Captain Lemming
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              • Jun 2008
              • 16000

              #51
              Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
              Need to see it play out. If Kenny is hitting open guys because of scheme, Canada gets the credit. If he's making plays to overcome the scheme, Kenny does. If it happens, it will likely be a combination of both.
              Truth?
              Lots of variables but really, would Canada get credit?

              Last edited by Captain Lemming; 03-31-2023, 01:07 PM.
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              In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

              TCFCLTC-
              The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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              • Joel Buchsbaum
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                • Jan 2021
                • 7744

                #52
                Originally posted by NorthCoast
                Matt Canada's offense in Yr2.

                The Steelers 2022 offensive rankings;
                • 3rd - in % of run plays using zone blocking (86%) [they were 4th in effectiveness with this scheme in terms of EPA/play]
                • 4th - in % of dropbacks featuring no fake to a ball carrier (81%)
                • 5th - in EPA/play on late downs [24th in EPA/play on early downs]
                • 5th - in EPA/play against the blitz (their highest offensive EPA/play scenario)
                • 7th - in % of pass plays with a short dropback (64%)
                • 8th - in EPA/play when using 21 personnel (which they ran on 22% of plays)
                • 12th - % of plays using 11 personnel (69%)
                • 15th - in % of pass plays in shot gun
                • 28th - in % of pass plays against a blitz (21%)
                • 29th - in % of play action passing (19%)
                These # mean what? We don't fake to our backs perhaps because we get little value in play action? Or we are stupid? How many screens do we throw?
                Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game in seven years and counting. The earliest will be eight years. I guess that in Art Rooney's II, opinion is worth a 3 year extension.

                Our 2024 draft looks to be grade A. Our 2023 draft is an A. The roster is talented, but Mike Tomlin is still the head coach.

                *** Mike Tomlin is the best coach since the AFL- NFL merger that has not won a playoff game in 8 seasons or more. It's either him or Lewis. ***

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                • NorthCoast
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                  • Sep 2008
                  • 26626

                  #53
                  Originally posted by NorthCoast
                  Matt Canada's offense in Yr2.

                  The Steelers 2022 offensive rankings;
                  • 3rd - in % of run plays using zone blocking (86%) [they were 4th in effectiveness with this scheme in terms of EPA/play]
                  • 4th - in % of dropbacks featuring no fake to a ball carrier (81%)
                  • 5th - in EPA/play on late downs [24th in EPA/play on early downs]
                  • 5th - in EPA/play against the blitz (their highest offensive EPA/play scenario)
                  • 7th - in % of pass plays with a short dropback (64%)
                  • 8th - in EPA/play when using 21 personnel (which they ran on 22% of plays)
                  • 12th - % of plays using 11 personnel (69%)
                  • 15th - in % of pass plays in shot gun
                  • 28th - in % of pass plays against a blitz (21%)
                  • 29th - in % of play action passing (19%)
                  Looking at individual QBs for % play action KP ranked 27th for all QBs with at least 10 games started.

                  (red line - average; Roethlisberger 2021 added for reference)


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                  • WindyCitySteel
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                    • Nov 2011
                    • 15675

                    #54
                    A team that is so run-heavy but doesn't utilize play-action sounds like a team that has an incompetent coaching staff.

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                    • whisper
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                      • Mar 2020
                      • 9423

                      #55
                      Originally posted by Joel Buchsbaum
                      These # mean what? We don't fake to our backs perhaps because we get little value in play action? Or we are stupid? How many screens do we throw?
                      I was wondering the same thing.

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                      • Northern_Blitz
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                        • Dec 2008
                        • 24353

                        #56
                        Originally posted by WindyCitySteel
                        Or this?
                        Not sure how you define "schemed up".

                        But there was this one:


                        And this one also had a guy wide open (but not like in the clips you posted). One of my favorite KP passes.
                        Pittsburgh Steelers wide receiver George Pickens drops a 49-yard pass from quarterback Kenny Pickett.
                        Last edited by Northern_Blitz; 06-02-2023, 05:30 PM.

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                        • Northern_Blitz
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                          • Dec 2008
                          • 24353

                          #57
                          KP's first TD. Super easy wide open Harris with no one anywhere near him (go to 1:00).


                          I don't think Canada is a good OC. And I don't think our guys make the big YAC yard play you first linked. But I think that scheming the guy open in the TD that you posted in that first link is similar to how Najee was schemed open in KP's first TD pass in the link here. I also think it's fairly similar to the KC TD you posted.

                          And it wouldn't have mattered how far away the end zone was in the Pickens pass that he caught in the Alex K video above. Could have been a 200 yard TD in the field was that long.

                          I think both are good play designs with good execution from the players. And a QB who saw the easy play and didn't screw it up (which I think sometimes can happen with the really easy ones like these).

                          The one Pickens dropped I think was among the best passes KP threw all year. Should have been an easy TD for Pickens. But all WRs drop easy ones sometimes. Edited to add...maybe the leaping Bengal defender deflected it a bit?
                          Last edited by Northern_Blitz; 06-02-2023, 05:29 PM.

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                          • Northern_Blitz
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                            • Dec 2008
                            • 24353

                            #58
                            Originally posted by NorthCoast
                            Looking at individual QBs for % play action KP ranked 27th for all QBs with at least 10 games started.

                            (red line - average; Roethlisberger 2021 added for reference)


                            In season I think he said he was trying to get more comfortable under center / PA passing. Hopefully this improves with time.

                            Since it was less than Ben's last year, seems more like a QB thing than an OC thing?

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                            • NorthCoast
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                              • Sep 2008
                              • 26626

                              #59
                              Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                              KP's first TD. Super easy wide open Harris with no one anywhere near him (go to 1:00).


                              I don't think Canada is a good OC. And I don't think our guys make the big YAC yard play you first linked. But I think that scheming the guy open in the TD that you posted in that first link is similar to how Najee was schemed open in KP's first TD pass in the link here. I also think it's fairly similar to the KC TD you posted.

                              And it wouldn't have mattered how far away the end zone was in the Pickens pass that he caught in the Alex K video above. Could have been a 200 yard TD in the field was that long.

                              I think both are good play designs with good execution from the players. And a QB who saw the easy play and didn't screw it up (which I think sometimes can happen with the really easy ones like these).

                              The one Pickens dropped I think was among the best passes KP threw all year. Should have been an easy TD for Pickens. But all WRs drop easy ones sometimes. Edited to add...maybe the leaping Bengal defender deflected it a bit?
                              Thanks for these posts NB. I was going to post something similar by a guy that did film breakdown. There were plays last year with Steelers wide open that were not always seen or taken. Maybe not as many per game as say SF.

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                              • Northern_Blitz
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                                • Dec 2008
                                • 24353

                                #60
                                Originally posted by NorthCoast
                                Thanks for these posts NB. I was going to post something similar by a guy that did film breakdown. There were plays last year with Steelers wide open that were not always seen or taken. Maybe not as many per game as say SF.
                                My guess is that both of these things are true. Hopefully Canada gets better at scheming guys open and KP gets better at hitting / seeing them. I'd also guess that KP has a better chance to improve than Canada based on Canada's (admittedly short) track record so far.

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