With a favorable schedule can we make ( the 5-7 Steelers ) the playoffs ?

[Joel Buchsbaum]

. Cousins is a fair assessment of KPs ceiling. Be careful you might get labeled a negative Nancy.

He is? Andy Dalton I say is the ceiling. The floor is, well don't want to go there The worst possible out come is at the end of the year Pickett does not show enough and the Steelers miss the playoffs earring the 10h -17th over all pick.

If we have a re-set I'd much rather be picking earlier.

[WindyCitySteel]

He is? Andy Dalton I say is the ceiling. The floor is, well don't want to go there The worst possible out come is at the end of the year Pickett does not show enough and the Steelers miss the playoffs earring the 10h -17th over all pick.

If we have a re-set I'd much rather be picking earlier.

He's already shown enough, if you think there is the remotest chance they will draft another QB in the first round next year, you haven't been paying attention to how this team operates. This isn't Madden, he's their QB for likely the entirety of his rookie contract, at least.

[Shawn]

He's already shown enough, if you think there is the remotest chance they will draft another QB in the first round next year, you haven't been paying attention to how this team operates. This isn't Madden, he's their QB for likely the entirety of his rookie contract, at least.

I agree. KP is the guy for 3-5 seasons at least.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

He's already shown enough, if you think there is the remotest chance they will draft another QB in the first round next year, you haven't been paying attention to how this team operates. This isn't Madden, he's their QB for likely the entirety of his rookie contract, at least.

I don't know how anyone who has watched the last few games could feel that he hasn't shown enough to at least "wait and see" on his improvement. Even the guys with the Cousins assessments are saying, "his ceiling is good enough to win a 'chip, just not good enough to be the primary focus on a team that wins a 'chip." At this point, I don't think anyone would call the guy a bust or anything

All in all, what I find hilarious is how miniscule the actual differences in this discussion point is.

Think about it. At his best, in his prime, Andy Dalton was say 13-20th best QB in the league - what I would call "tier 3".
Sounds like the consensus is that KP's ceiling will likely be say 6-12th best or tier 2. If that's the ceiling, then most would agree that tier 3 is certainly possible if with bad OC's, etc.

Ultimately the point is that the vast majority here agrees that:
*elite* is unlikely
*good* is possible (and is the likely result)
*average* is possible (and is the second most likely result)
*bad*? We've already passed the Ryan Leaf's and Jamarcus Russell's - it would take some serious regression to get here

[Northern_Blitz]

I don't know how anyone who has watched the last few games could feel that he hasn't shown enough to at least "wait and see" on his improvement. Even the guys with the Cousins assessments are saying, "his ceiling is good enough to win a 'chip, just not good enough to be the primary focus on a team that wins a 'chip." At this point, I don't think anyone would call the guy a bust or anything

All in all, what I find hilarious is how miniscule the actual differences in this discussion point is.

Think about it. At his best, in his prime, Andy Dalton was say 13-20th best QB in the league - what I would call "tier 3".
Sounds like the consensus is that KP's ceiling will likely be say 6-12th best or tier 2. If that's the ceiling, then most would agree that tier 3 is certainly possible if with bad OC's, etc.

Ultimately the point is that the vast majority here agrees that:
*elite* is unlikely
*good* is possible (and is the likely result)
*average* is possible (and is the second most likely result)
*bad*? We've already passed the Ryan Leaf's and Jamarcus Russell's - it would take some serious regression to get here

I think the sentiment here is correct. He's likely already earned at least until the end of the 3rd year when they have to decide about the 5th year option (so really till the end of the 4th year at least is very likely IMO).

But I think I may be using the word average differently than other people do.

To me average is: "Gets approximately the mean output (or results)."

But it's actually pretty hard to be average in sports because the elite players do so much better than normal players.

For example, to get the average number of sacks for starting edge rushers last year we need to remember that guys like Watt drag the average up a lot.

It's like how I'd love to be earning the mean income in the US.

If we talk about average being the median player, my guess is that's not that hard to do for a guy that's a genuine starter in the league. That's probably a guy that doesn't get a second contract because he's pretty replaceable. Or if he does, it's the Edmunds contract.

[hackjam]

So it's just a matter of probability? We can't deduce anything from Kenny's traits of anticipation, accuracy, competitiveness, playmaking, off-platform ability, football IQ, study discipline, etc. to suggest he may be better than your average bust?

You can, sure, and I see a lot of that in him as well. You can tell he has some 'it' factor. The play in the Jets game when he threw a dart to Friermuth right before taking a big hit from Quinnen Williams showed some of that. I'm sure there are others that people can point to but that was the first one where I was like ok, maybe we have something here.

Bringing guys like Drew Brees into a conversation to make your point is going to allow people to amplify the extremely low probability that he actually becomes Drew Brees. It doesn't augment your argument, it actually hurts it. JP Losman is just the other hyperbolic comparison here.

[LPMAN]

For better or worse the Steelers are married to KP. He is showing enough growth that he is at bare minimum the QB for the next 3-5 seasons. I do not see a guy who can carry a team on his shoulders. But, if the Steelers can build the team around him, they can have success. SB success? Anything is possible.

What we've seen in recent history with Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Jemarcus Russell, Tim Couch, Johnny Manziel, Matt Leinart etc etc.. is you get about TWO YEARS in the NFL sometimes 3 at most to prove you are the franchise qb. Kenny ain't seeing 4th & 5th years just because he was a first round pick. The Steelers will either fall in love with him or replace him after 2/3 years. This isn't the 1970's where qb development is slower & DBS like Blount can manhandle wrs all over the field. The game is designed for young qb's to succeeed quickly.

[TheRealTazz864]

What we've seen in recent history with Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Jemarcus Russell, Tim Couch, Johnny Manziel, Matt Leinart etc etc.. is you get about TWO YEARS in the NFL sometimes 3 at most to prove you are the franchise qb. Kenny ain't seeing 4th & 5th years just because he was a first round pick. The Steelers will either fall in love with him or replace him after 2/3 years. This isn't the 1970's where qb development is slower & DBS like Blount can manhandle wrs all over the field. The game is designed for young qb's to succeeed quickly.

So are you predicting a "KP8" rule for "no fake sliding??" Because you know that will happen at some point... I think you're onto something....

[LPMAN]

You can, sure, and I see a lot of that in him as well. You can tell he has some 'it' factor. The play in the Jets game when he threw a dart to Friermuth right before taking a big hit from Quinnen Williams showed some of that. I'm sure there are others that people can point to but that was the first one where I was like ok, maybe we have something here.

I would say that is Kenny's best play so far.

[LPMAN]

So are you predicting a "KP8" rule for "no fake sliding??" Because you know that will happen at some point... I think you're onto something....

I think i heard they were gonna change the college rule.

[Shawn]

Eh, maybe that was too harsh, but I can't take his analysis seriously when he already admitted he likes to troll KP fans.

Let me be specific...I like to troll you.

[TheRealTazz864]

I think i heard they were gonna change the college rule.

That tracks... Steelers are trailblazers....