Has Tomlin lost this team?

[feltdizz]

what motivates your love for lamaar jackson?

someone playing for our #1 rival

Ask yourself what motivates your love
for Flacco?

Mr. ”Flacco coulda won those games Lamar won if they just gave him the chance”
-NJSteeler

lmao..


or maybe its simply being mature enough to admit a player for the Ravens didn’t set their franchise back 5 years?

[Mr.wizard]

If it's the defenders crowding the LOS, then that starts with the playcalling / scheme. Spread them out. Don't bunch 3 receivers next to your tackle and split one wide.
And yes I think the playcalling for the most part is responsible for Ben getting the ball out rather quickly.
My question is- is it Ben asking requesting such plays because he doesn't want to be hit or are the plays strictly from the coaches?

Actually id defenders are up at the line of scrimmage that is the perfect time to bunch the receivers, especially if you are throwing it short.

[Mr.wizard]

If it's the defenders crowding the LOS, then that starts with the playcalling / scheme. Spread them out. Don't bunch 3 receivers next to your tackle and split one wide.
And yes I think the playcalling for the most part is responsible for Ben getting the ball out rather quickly.
My question is- is it Ben asking requesting such plays because he doesn't want to be hit or are the plays strictly from the coaches?

I dont think its really the play calling, and its why you see a different team in the 4th quarter. In the 4th Ben is holding the ball in the pocket and attempting to push the ball down the field, this leads to more chunk plays but it also makes the short passes and screens much more effective. Early in the game Ben is playing very conservatively and not taking any chances over the middle, he either throws it short, thows it back shoulder, or throws a fade. There is no way those are the only routes being called, those are just the safe throws Ben os taking.

[hawaiiansteel]

Tomlin has completely lost this team...

[NJ-STEELER]

Ask yourself what motivates your love
for Flacco?

Mr. ”Flacco coulda won those games Lamar won if they just gave him the chance”
-NJSteeler

lmao..


or maybe its simply being mature enough to admit a player for the Ravens didn’t set their franchise back 5 years?

actually, I hate flacco and any other player on the ravens. like a fan of their rivals should. I just acknowledge what he's done for the ravens. its not hard to find.

why do you love lamaar again??
because you felt bad when he dropped in the draft?
because of a message board bet??

[feltdizz]

actually, I hate flacco and any other player on the ravens. like a fan of their rivals should. I just acknowledge what he's done for the ravens. its not hard to find.

why do you love lamaar again??
because you felt bad when he dropped in the draft?
because of a message board bet??

lmao at “just acknowledging what he did” and not seeing the hypocrisy in your own post.

You hate Flacco? You said Lamar stole his shine and Flacco could’ve won all those games if the Ravens didn’t bench him. Sounds like love to me.. lol.

Acknowledging Lamar’s win/loss record, MVP win and the fact that he hasn’t set the Ravens back 5 years isn’t love.. its FACTS!!!

Oh, and did t you admit i was going to get a big contract? It is love that your feeling?

Your attacks and accusations have been weak as hell these last few weeks. Step your game up NJ, I expect better from you.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

Do you really think Tomlin/Canada are dictating to Ben to throw to players on the LOS?

Yes... and this is why the team sucks for 3 quarters... they think they're trying to protect Ben, but it's hurting the team.

In the 4th quarter when we're losing because that stupid strategy didn't work, Ben does what he has to do.

I hope to see 4th quarter Ben for this full game. I'd be good with whatever results we get from that - and suspect it wouldn't be his final game.

[feltdizz]

Yes... and this is why the team sucks for 3 quarters... they think they're trying to protect Ben, but it's hurting the team.

In the 4th quarter when we're losing because that stupid strategy didn't work, Ben does what he has to do.

I hope to see 4th quarter Ben for this full game. I'd be good with whatever results we get from that - and suspect it wouldn't be his final game.

I think both are true. Its all about keeping it close for a chance to win in the 4th quarter.

What we don’t want is another 1st quarter with multiple INT’s. Protect the ball and keep Patrick on the sidelines or live to fight another series instead of forcing it into double coverage.

[ROLROC]

Actually id defenders are up at the line of scrimmage that is the perfect time to bunch the receivers, especially if you are throwing it short.

The discussion I originally responded to was why we are not throwing downfield more, especially in the middle. An explanation given was because the D presses the LOS.
The reason the defenders are close to the LOS and Ben is our formations. Spread them out to force the D out of this.
Let our O dictate what we run and don't let their D decide what we need to run.
I don't want see the 3 yd per pass attempt garbage for the first 3 Qs of this game. If that's still the plan, we have no shot.

[Captain Lemming]

I think both are true. Its all about keeping it close for a chance to win in the 4th quarter.

What we don’t want is another 1st quarter with multiple INT’s. Protect the ball and keep Patrick on the sidelines or live to fight another series instead of forcing it into double coverage.

I'm with Deville.
If we are conservative early, they WILL get a big lead. We saw it last time.

We gotta risk it. Ben MIGHT turn it over. But our only chance is 4th quarter Ben from the start and HOPING he is clean. Gotta take the risk, cause "safe" has no chance.

[T.Ferguson]

Yes... and this is why the team sucks for 3 quarters... they think they're trying to protect Ben, but it's hurting the team.

In the 4th quarter when we're losing because that stupid strategy didn't work, Ben does what he has to do.

I hope to see 4th quarter Ben for this full game. I'd be good with whatever results we get from that - and suspect it wouldn't be his final game.

I don't think it's necessarily about protecting Ben, I think Tomlin wants a conservative ball control offense, he wants an offense that takes time off the clock, etc. my issue isn't even that it's that the offense itself is predictable and bad and it's crazy the team hasn't tried anything differently throughout the season.

Steelers need to basically pass to set up the run from the start on Sunday. If Steelers come out running the same stuff it's over no question about it. There is no keeping it close until the 4th in that scenario.

[Northern_Blitz]

I'm with Deville.
If we are conservative early, they WILL get a big lead. We saw it last time.

We gotta risk it. Ben MIGHT turn it over. But our only chance is 4th quarter Ben from the start and HOPING he is clean. Gotta take the risk, cause "safe" has no chance.

I think the truth is that we're kind of screwed either way.

I think the Cleveland playoff game (after Pouncey's horrible snap) shows us what happens when we feel like we have to be aggressive early and throughout the game.

But playing conservative is probably what we were trying to do against KC this season and it was a failure.

I don't think either strategy is a "winning" one if we play them 100 times. But in just one game, I think trying to keep the score low is a better bet to be in the game late. Hope they make lots of mistake and we can capitalize.

But I don't think the odds are with us either way.

I think we need to be +3 or more in turnovers, preferable with at DTD. I think we were +2 vs. Baltimore and still needed OT.

[feltdizz]

I'm with Deville.
If we are conservative early, they WILL get a big lead. We saw it last time.

We gotta risk it. Ben MIGHT turn it over. But our only chance is 4th quarter Ben from the start and HOPING he is clean. Gotta take the risk, cause "safe" has no chance.

Risk it and have another early turnover that creates a short field? No thanks.

Unless risk is throwing to the TE’s down the seam I’m not here for it.

Najee and dink and dunk to burn clock.

We cannot lose the turnover battle early and win.

[feltdizz]

I don't think it's necessarily about protecting Ben, I think Tomlin wants a conservative ball control offense, he wants an offense that takes time off the clock, etc. my issue isn't even that it's that the offense itself is predictable and bad and it's crazy the team hasn't tried anything differently throughout the season.

Steelers need to basically pass to set up the run from the start on Sunday. If Steelers come out running the same stuff it's over no question about it. There is no keeping it close until the 4th in that scenario.

I think we need a little help too. KC defenders blow coverage or slip on a deep pass to Chase.

I just don’t want another ugly first quarter filled with INT’s and stupid turnovers.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

Risk it and have another early turnover that creates a short field? No thanks.

Unless risk is throwing to the TE’s down the seam I’m not here for it.

Najee and dink and dunk to burn clock.

We cannot lose the turnover battle early and win.

No one is saying chuck the ball 50 yards downfield every play.
But, i'm also saying that if we get to halftime and Ben has thrown 16 passes, but 13 of them were caught within 3 yards of the LOS, we're likely be down big.

Najee struggles to find room because whether run or pass, all plays are short of where the LB line up - so the defense never has to "loosen up" in the event there may be a pass.

So, I'm asking for an occasional crossing route that might make LB back up. Or yes, the TE down the seam. Or any variation of sideline routes (out/flag/fade/etc) where your "miss" is out of bounds.... to make the running game easier. There has to be a threat of a pass to make room for the run. Otherwise, you go 3 and out for 3 quarters - and against the Chiefs, you're too far behind to try to play catch up in the 4th