Canada's Offense

[SteelerOfDeVille]

When a team captain says they weren't ready for the game, I don't know how you can say otherwise;
https://steelerswire.usatoday.com/20...0-cam-heyward/

"our execution wasn't up to par"... so by that reasoning, if Steph Curry misses a 3, it's the coaches fault?

[feltdizz]

"our execution wasn't up to par"... so by that reasoning, if Steph Curry misses a 3, it's the coaches fault?

exactly.. the other team is also trying to force you into mistakes and create mismatches.

[NorthCoast]

"our execution wasn't up to par"... so by that reasoning, if Steph Curry misses a 3, it's the coaches fault?

Where did I put it on the coaches?

[BURGH86STEEL]

The Steelers play the Browns 2 times a year. They are very familiar with that team. I am sure they were ready to play the Browns.

The Steelers made mistakes, had poor execution, and ultimately turned the ball over to many times.

Games boil down to execution by the players. Most of us know what it takes to win games in the NFL. When teams don't execute, make mistakes, and turn the ball over they are going to lose.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

Where did I put it on the coaches?

My point was that you really can't blame the coaches for the team not being prepared. The team was plenty prepared from a coaching standpoint, the players just made a ton of mistakes in that game and that is why we lost.

Disagree. How can a player be plenty prepared but make a ton of mistakes? Completely contradictory.

Perhaps you meant something else... But, when Wiz says you cant put it on coaches and explains why, then you respond with "disagree"... sure seems like you were putting it on coaches.

Maybe i just took it wrong...

[NorthCoast]

Perhaps you meant something else... But, when Wiz says you cant put it on coaches and explains why, then you respond with "disagree"... sure seems like you were putting it on coaches.

Maybe i just took it wrong...

Yes. My disagreement was being prepared and making mistakes.

Now, coaches need to put players in the best position to minimize mistakes and players need to execute.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

Yes. My disagreement was being prepared and making mistakes.

Now, coaches need to put players in the best position to minimize mistakes and players need to execute.

fair... if you look back, you'll see a couple of us took it that way...

[NorthCoast]

The Steelers play the Browns 2 times a year. They are very familiar with that team. I am sure they were ready to play the Browns.

The Steelers made mistakes, had poor execution, and ultimately turned the ball over to many times.

Games boil down to execution by the players. Most of us know what it takes to win games in the NFL. When teams don't execute, make mistakes, and turn the ball over they are going to lose.

New HC last season and they changed things up in the playoff game scheme wise. So looking at tape might have only been part of being ready.
The Steelers have 3 games with their new scheme. The first game was a blowout by the Steelers (no Chubb). The second game was decidedly in Cleveland's favor early but Rudolph made it close. The third game was a blowout for Cleveland. So the Steelers executed well in the first game but not the last two. Too soon to say whether this is a trend or not, but CLE doesn't look to be the doormat as in years past.

[hawaiiansteel]

CLE doesn't look to be the doormat as in years past.

the Browns have definitely improved, and need to take advantage of Baker Mayfield still being on his rookie contract before they have to pay him.

[NJ-STEELER]

Yes. I think teams will side with a franchise QB over a coach close to 100% of the time.

Even good coaches are more replaceable than successful franchise QBs.

young franchise QBs. i agree 100%.

franchise QB over 35? not as much (see rodgers)
coming off a major injury...even less likely (see Ben forced into cutting his salary)
especially considering how much of this board thinks of tomlin

[NJ-STEELER]

Can you find a better angle?

I'll happily look at it.

Even if you put all of the blame on DJ for that pick, it's still a horrible game from Ben. But that's kind of who he is (live by the sword and die by the sword).

He throws way too many picks in the playoffs. His TD% over his career in the playoffs is 4.6% and his INT% is 3.8%. For context, Brees is 5.1% (TD) and 2.1% (INT) and Rodgers is 6.0% (TD) and 1.7% (INT). He's less likely to throw TDs in the playoffs than these other HoF QBs (who are not the GOAT). But he's between two and three times more likely to throw picks. And he's only had one playoff game with DJ.

The way to win with Ben in the playoffs seems to be limit his passes and hope that you get TDs and not INTs. They are almost equally likely in larger sample sizes, so you place fewer bets and hope you keep flipping heads.

Also, I'm not arguing that Ben was the only person who shat the bed. Pouncey basically lost the game for us on the first snap. And Heyward was invisible despite playing against a guy with one (?) game in the NFL. But Ben was terrible. And that just continued his play down the stretch and echoed his performance against the Jags in the playoffs.

He's been a ton of fun to watch over his career. In part because so many plays were "No, no, no, no, YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!". In his prime, I don't think anyone was better at creating amazing plays out of nothing.

But I think it's very hard not to think that he's basically done. He's still going to throw lots of picks (because that's who he is). But without the ability to escape and extend plays, I don't think he's going to have many more of those thrillingly dangerous TDs.

I said he didn't play well. my argument was he wasn't the only reason we lost.

those 3 you mentioned were all given off week 17. whose choice was that? certainly looked like they were all pretty rusty.


IMO we were outcoached as badly as ben played. by a rookie coach that wasn't even on the team's sideline. they had no answers or adjustments for anything cleveland wanted to do

[NJ-STEELER]

Can you find a better angle

He throws way too many picks in the playoffs. His TD% over his career in the playoffs is 4.6% and his INT% is 3.8%. For context, Brees is 5.1% (TD) and 2.1% (INT) and Rodgers is 6.0% (TD) and 1.7% (INT). He's less likely to throw TDs in the playoffs than these other HoF QBs (who are not the GOAT). But he's between two and three times more likely to throw picks. And he's only had one playoff game with DJ.


look how brees's teams have been constructed. i think any QB would throw less INTs throwing to the saints receives/TEs/backs vs what the steelers have put there
is there a steeler's fan out there that doesn't
crave a great defense? those same people get upset when the QB can't turn chicken $hit into chicken salad

































s.

there was a better clip out there right after the game that showed the slow motion replay. this one is not as good but you can see that the throw wasn't "too high".
the ball is at or just above the height of his helmet
i stand by my assessment that the pass is caught 90% of the time in the NFL.

the narrative was set when the the crew said the ball was thrown high during play by play.

compare that to brady's INT when he tried going deep to a 6'7 arms stretched out mike evans. that ball was overthrown to someone with a much larger catch radius.
it took a commercial and 5 minutes of real time before someone in the booth (i think it was aikman) to say brady was off on that throw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJp1HO9pFrc

[Northern_Blitz]

young franchise QBs. i agree 100%.

franchise QB over 35? not as much (see rodgers)
coming off a major injury...even less likely (see Ben forced into cutting his salary)
especially considering how much of this board thinks of tomlin

I agree that there are rare exceptions. That's why I said "close to 100% of the time".

I also think the board probably doesn't think as much of Tomlin as is sometimes implied.

For example, I agree we were out coached vs. Cleveland particularly vs their run game. I just don't think coaching can save you when you're -5 in turnovers. Particularly when most of those turnovers come so early (so the game plan probably gets thrown out).

So I think the execution was the much bigger problem.

[Northern_Blitz]

there was a better clip out there right after the game that showed the slow motion replay. this one is not as good but you can see that the throw wasn't "too high".
the ball is at or just above the height of his helmet
i stand by my assessment that the pass is caught 90% of the time in the NFL.

the narrative was set when the the crew said the ball was thrown high during play by play.

compare that to brady's INT when he tried going deep to a 6'7 arms stretched out mike evans. that ball was overthrown to someone with a much larger catch radius.
it took a commercial and 5 minutes of real time before someone in the booth (i think it was aikman) to say brady was off on that throw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJp1HO9pFrc

I think this shows the same as the other clip.

It was high.

And it was catchable.

Again, maybe Ben played the best 4 interception playoff game ever by a QB. But at some point the consistency of throwing considerably more picks than other very good QBs in the playoffs means something.

Ben is like Favre. He takes risks throwing the football. It's what made him great (see Santonio catch). But for Farve, those gambles seemed to get worse as he aged and his skills diminished.

[feltdizz]

I think this shows the same as the other clip.

It was high.

And it was catchable.

Again, maybe Ben played the best 4 interception playoff game ever by a QB. But at some point the consistency of throwing considerably more picks than other very good QBs in the playoffs means something.

Ben is like Favre. He takes risks throwing the football. It's what made him great (see Santonio catch). But for Farve, those gambles seemed to get worse as he aged and his skills diminished.

if anyone else on the team was turning the ball over this much in the playoffs...

and someone tried to say they weren’t the real reason we lost..

people would laugh that guy out of the room.