Canada's Offense

[NorthCoast]

This is encouraging. An OC that knows how to scheme against a defense's weaknesses:

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[Steel Maniac]

This is encouraging. An OC that knows how to scheme against a defense's weaknesses:

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Very happy to see this. And very hopeful that Canada's offense brings new juice and depth to our offense.

[whatever]

why is the coach not demanding the QB he has chosen to start and the OC he has chosen for the job to run more play action?

if they deemed it AS an important factor, why do they fill out the RB corps with the likes of
connor, snell, mcfarland. all 3rd day picks (connor was slated to go in the 4th/5h rounds)

This is the stuff that upsets me and makes me question tomlins authority.
Coaches become the scapegoat and get axed every year for allegedly not doing something Rooney or Tomlin wanted.
A couple years ago Rooney said we need to run the ball. Why didn’t we run the ball then?
The OC gets blamed for a crappy offensive scheme. Why was he allowed to run it all season with no accountability?

[Black&Gold]

This is the stuff that upsets me and makes me question tomlins authority.
Coaches become the scapegoat and get axed every year for allegedly not doing something Rooney or Tomlin wanted.
A couple years ago Rooney said we need to run the ball. Why didn’t we run the ball then?
The OC gets blamed for a crappy offensive scheme. Why was he allowed to run it all season with no accountability?

we were 11-0 everyone was happy

[BURGH86STEEL]

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The answer is out there. Ben isn't comfortable with play action. I read one article where it said Ben's yards per attempt and passer rating was better without play action vs play action.

The coaches break this stuff down. Reminds me of when they noticed that Timmons played better without the green dot. They also noticed that Bud and TJ should switch sides.

QB's are generally are more comfortable with reading defenses from shot gun than turning their backs to the defense.

There are some other reasons for a lack of play action that come to my mind.

[Northern_Blitz]

The answer is out there. Ben isn't comfortable with play action. I read one article where it said Ben's yards per attempt and passer rating was better without play action vs play action.

The coaches break this stuff down. Reminds me of when they noticed that Timmons played better without the green dot. They also noticed that Bud and TJ should switch sides.

QB's are generally are more comfortable with reading defenses from shot gun than turning their backs to the defense.

There are some other reasons for a lack of play action that come to my mind.

That's pretty interesting. It does seem like we'd want to craft a system that's good for our players and not for "the average across the league".

Although maybe doing the latter would make it easier to find players to play in the system?

I'm hoping that Canada really does have the big impact that we're hearing about. But it is puff piece season, so I'm taking everything will a whole lot of salt.

[Oviedo]

This is the stuff that upsets me and makes me question tomlins authority.
Coaches become the scapegoat and get axed every year for allegedly not doing something Rooney or Tomlin wanted.
A couple years ago Rooney said we need to run the ball. Why didn’t we run the ball then?
The OC gets blamed for a crappy offensive scheme. Why was he allowed to run it all season with no accountability?

yada yada yada yada yada...

The owners don't care

The coach doesn't care

The players don't care

Only a small group of constantly complaining fans defend the integrity of the organization because they know best

[BURGH86STEEL]

That's pretty interesting. It does seem like we'd want to craft a system that's good for our players and not for "the average across the league".

Although maybe doing the latter would make it easier to find players to play in the system?

I'm hoping that Canada really does have the big impact that we're hearing about. But it is puff piece season, so I'm taking everything will a whole lot of salt.

The offensive system was designed around Ben and passing the ball. I don't believe the Oline was designed to be a run mauling type of unit during Ben's prime. The Olines skill set seemed to based on pass protection and abilty to run block using athleticism, angles, and blocking in space. Bell's patient style and vision suited the offense well.

That is probably going to change with Dotson, Green, the movement towards more youth on the Oline, Harris, and the future change at the QB position. We'll have to wait and see.

[whatever]

yada yada yada yada yada...

The owners don't care

The coach doesn't care

The players don't care

Only a small group of constantly complaining fans defend the integrity of the organization because they know best

And when fitchner was hired you got all giddy and said he was great.
After he gets fired, you say he sucked.
When we were throwing the ball all over the place, you loved it.
Now the new guy says he’s gonna run the ball and all of a sudden you are supporting that and act like you wanted it all along.
Every FA we signed is awesome, every one we didn’t, you say they suck.
Same goes with every draft pick. Of course you never even heard of the guy we drafted but tell everyone that he was bpa and tops on the steelers draft list.
Your yadda yadda is saturated with no football knowledge and no personal thought or insight.

[NorthCoast]

The answer is out there. Ben isn't comfortable with play action. I read one article where it said Ben's yards per attempt and passer rating was better without play action vs play action.

The coaches break this stuff down. Reminds me of when they noticed that Timmons played better without the green dot. They also noticed that Bud and TJ should switch sides.

QB's are generally are more comfortable with reading defenses from shot gun than turning their backs to the defense.

There are some other reasons for a lack of play action that come to my mind.

Interesting stuff. Wonder if the small number of attempts skews this?
Also, PA can be run from shotgun so the excuse of turning his back doesn't hold water.

[BURGH86STEEL]

Interesting stuff. Wonder if the small number of attempts skews this?
Also, PA can be run from shotgun so the excuse of turning his back doesn't hold water.

What good is play action if you are not consistently running the ball well regardless of the amount of attempts?

Some of the issues were on Ben changing from run to pass, lack of down field passing to hurt defenses, some issues were injuries, some coaching, some Oline, some RB. Whatever the case they failed to run the ball consistently well as the season progressed for various reasons. They seem to be addressing the issues.

Can't fix everything regardless of what fans believe.

Sometimes teams don't always know what they have until live game day action.

[NorthCoast]

What good is play action if you are not consistently running the ball well regardless of the amount of attempts?

Some of the issues were on Ben changing from run to pass, lack of down field passing to hurt defenses, some issues were injuries, some coaching, some Oline, some RB. Whatever the case they failed to run the ball consistently well as the season progressed for various reasons. They seem to be addressing the issues.

Can't fix everything regardless of what fans believe.

Sometimes teams don't always know what they have until live game day action.

Please see post #24 in this thread regarding the need for a rushing offense to make PA work. League wide over multiple seasons says establish play action to improve rushing performance. Not the other way around.

[BURGH86STEEL]

Please see post #24 in this thread regarding the need for a rushing offense to make PA work. League wide over multiple seasons says establish play action to improve rushing performance. Not the other way around.

I guess it boiled down to Ben's comfort level, practice performances, and ultimately game performances executing the offense with play action turning his back or fake hand offs. Split seconds can make a difference in a play failure or success. Coaches are generally going to side with their QB's level of comfort executing any plays.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

I honestly don't know what to expect with Canada.

Does he have a " system " Or is the type of coach who uses what he has, system be darned! Can he really coach up and develop a young player? Or ultimately is he going to be an OC than Tomlin hires and fires that no one else promoted?

Well see , every team is undefeated right now and the honeymoon is about to end. All I know is this, we are FINISHED if Ben can't play at a high level.

This team might have a problem with diva WR's, the OL better get some push and protection, and our rookies better ball out sooner than later. Fans be warned.

I see the glass half empty. Canada? He'd better be the next Andy Reid, or Bruce Arians. Now that Ju-Ju has his money, and our other starter is in street fights.... Father time is undefeated, Ben's time is almost up. Harris I trust, the other rookies....why was Tomlin extended? I can never get a convincing answer. Oh you're going to hear it unless the Steelers win a playoff game, at least from me.

We are about to see is Art Rooney II has a clue. He comes from a football family for sure, but he's not his father. On the other had he has the most cap cap space next season, so as they say we'll get em' next year.

[BURGH86STEEL]

I honestly don't know what to expect with Canada.

Does he have a " system " Or is the type of coach who uses what he has, system be darned! Can he really coach up and develop a young player? Or ultimately is he going to be an OC than Tomlin hires and fires that no one else promoted?

Well see , every team is undefeated right now and the honeymoon is about to end. All I know is this, we are FINISHED if Ben can't play at a high level.

This team might have a problem with diva WR's, the OL better get some push and protection, and our rookies better ball out sooner than later. Fan be warned.

I see the glass half full. Canada? He'd better be the next Andy Reid, or Bruce Arians. Now that Ju-Ju has his money, and our other starter is in street fights.... Father time is undefeated, Ben's time is almost up. Harris I trust, the other rookies....why was Tomlin extended? Oh you're going to hear it unless wine a playoff game, at least from me.

We are about to see is Art Rooney II has a clue. He comes from a football family for sure, but he's not his father. On the other had he has the most cap cap space next season, so as they say we'll get em' next year.

No one knows what to expect of Canada at the professional level. That might not be such a bad thing. The Steelers are comfortable with him. The offense might start off fast or slow? Either way isn't really a negative. Fast or slow starts have advantages. It's not always about the NEGATIVITY that some like to pursue. Sometimes it takes time to evaluate and adjust.

Better this or that coming from you is meaningless. I really don't know where this attitude comes from?

Art II has a clue. He's been a key factor in the organization's success for many years.