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  • Captain Lemming
    Legend
    • Jun 2008
    • 15979

    Hey Joel,

    Cowher/Neil O
    Is it Cowhers fault we lost his first SB? Yes or no.
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    In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

    TCFCLTC-
    The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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    • Eich
      Legend
      • Jul 2010
      • 6957

      Originally posted by Captain Lemming
      Hey Joel,

      Cowher/Neil O
      Is it Cowhers fault we lost his first SB? Yes or no.
      Back in the day and all the years leading up to 2005, Cowher was getting a LOT of the blame for not having a ring. A LOT of people wanted him gone. It's much the same now with Tomlin. It's a, "What have you done for me today" game. I get it. We've been ABYSMAL in the playoffs since 2010. That's a LONG dryspell for the City of Champions.

      I like Tomlin and glad he's staying around. But I also don't have an issue with people and the media getting tired of the playoff dryspell. Tomlin should feel some heat. It's time to win something a little more meaningful. If Ben is a turnover liability in the playoffs, then there should have been a better emphasis on a better run game so that he's not throwing it 65 times a game.

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      • Steel Maniac
        Banned
        • Apr 2017
        • 19472

        Originally posted by Eich
        Back in the day and all the years leading up to 2005, Cowher was getting a LOT of the blame for not having a ring. A LOT of people wanted him gone. It's much the same now with Tomlin. It's a, "What have you done for me today" game. I get it. We've been ABYSMAL in the playoffs since 2010. That's a LONG dryspell for the City of Champions.

        I like Tomlin and glad he's staying around. But I also don't have an issue with people and the media getting tired of the playoff dryspell. Tomlin should feel some heat. It's time to win something a little more meaningful. If Ben is a turnover liability in the playoffs, then there should have been a better emphasis on a better run game so that he's not throwing it 65 times a game.
        Eich, specifically, who is responsible for bringing a better emphasis to the run game as you talk about?

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        • hawaiiansteel
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 35314

          Originally posted by Eich
          Back in the day and all the years leading up to 2005, Cowher was getting a LOT of the blame for not having a ring. A LOT of people wanted him gone
          yes, I remember those days on the Steelers message boards. the overwhelming consensus was that Cowher would never win the big one and needed to be fired.

          I love the revisionist history that has occured since, if Rooney hadn't forced a franchise QB on Cowher he probable never would have won a ring.

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          • NorthCoast
            Legend
            • Sep 2008
            • 26225

            It'll be great once Roethlisberger is gone after this season. We can then use the Cowher defense...."but he didn't have a franchise QB"..... Maybe all the nonsense comparing the two can stop.

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            • feltdizz
              Legend
              • May 2008
              • 27222

              Originally posted by NorthCoast
              It'll be great once Roethlisberger is gone after this season. We can then use the Cowher defense...."but he didn't have a franchise QB"..... Maybe all the nonsense comparing the two can stop.
              ha.. we know that won’t work. It will be proof “he can’t win without Ben”

              or if he does win it will be “why didn’t he do it with Ben” or “its because of whatever other coach is on the team at the time.
              Steelers 27
              Rats 16

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              • hawaiiansteel
                Legend
                • May 2008
                • 35314

                Originally posted by feltdizz
                ha.. we know that won’t work. It will be proof “he can’t win without Ben”
                so Tomlin will be just like Cowher then?

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                • Mr.wizard
                  Legend
                  • May 2014
                  • 6617

                  Originally posted by Steel Maniac
                  Eich, specifically, who is responsible for bringing a better emphasis to the run game as you talk about?
                  Complicated question, it is not just on one person. Cant put emphasis on a bad running game. Everyone has to execute and that is where we fell short last season. Tomlin cant just say " lets emphasis a good running game". O-line was bad, Ben didnt make the necessary adjustments, runningbacks didnt help.

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                  • feltdizz
                    Legend
                    • May 2008
                    • 27222

                    Originally posted by Mr.wizard
                    Complicated question, it is not just on one person. Cant put emphasis on a bad running game. Everyone has to execute and that is where we fell short last season. Tomlin cant just say " lets emphasis a good running game". O-line was bad, Ben didnt make the necessary adjustments, runningbacks didnt help.
                    not sure why some people want to point the finger at one person.

                    The Steelers are successful because they operate as a collective all moving in the same direction.

                    If Rooney wants to improve the run game its going to happen in the draft or after the draft.

                    Rooney extended Tomlin so he is part of the plan.

                    Rooney and Colbert gave Ben another year so he is part of the plan.

                    Khan is still working his magic with the numbers.. he is part of the plan.

                    People who want to point the finger at one person aren't familiar with how this franchise operates.
                    Steelers 27
                    Rats 16

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                    • hawaiiansteel
                      Legend
                      • May 2008
                      • 35314

                      Originally posted by Mr.wizard
                      Complicated question, it is not just on one person. Cant put emphasis on a bad running game. Everyone has to execute and that is where we fell short last season. Tomlin cant just say " lets emphasis a good running game". O-line was bad, Ben didnt make the necessary adjustments, runningbacks didnt help.
                      not the answer Steel Maniac was looking for.

                      it's all Tomlin's fault because he is solely responsible for scouting and drafting the RBs and OL, he blocks and runs the ball himself, he hands the ball off and Tomlin is the OL coach, RB coach and offensive coordinator.

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                      • NJ-STEELER
                        Legend
                        • May 2008
                        • 12563

                        Originally posted by feltdizz

                        The Steelers are successful because they operate as a collective all moving in the same direction.

                        .
                        hmmm, that's certainly not what posters think when they lose a game

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                        • feltdizz
                          Legend
                          • May 2008
                          • 27222

                          Originally posted by NJ-STEELER
                          hmmm, that's certainly not what posters think when they lose a game
                          whatever you need to tell yourself.. lol.
                          Steelers 27
                          Rats 16

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                          • Captain Lemming
                            Legend
                            • Jun 2008
                            • 15979

                            Originally posted by Eich
                            Also, following XLIII, Polamalu gave very clear credit to Tomlin for the greatest defensive play in super bowl history.
                            I noticed Joel had NOTHING to say about my earlier extensive list of players complement of Tomlin.

                            Hey Joel...how bout you do that for Cowher.

                            While we wait, I will drop the link of the account you mention.
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                            In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

                            TCFCLTC-
                            The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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                            • Captain Lemming
                              Legend
                              • Jun 2008
                              • 15979

                              Originally posted by Eich
                              Also, following XLIII, Polamalu gave very clear credit to Tomlin for the greatest defensive play in super bowl history.
                              Polamalu: Mike Tomlin predicted key play in Super Bowl XLIII

                              By BRYAN DEARDO Feb 1, 2018



                              Former Steelers strong safety Troy Polamalu thinks Mike Tomlin is a great coach.

                              Tomlin's prediction before Super Bowl XLIII is one reason why Polamalu holds his former coach in such high regard.

                              Before James Harrison's 100-yard interception return for a touchdown in Pittsburgh's 27-23 win over the Cardinals, Tomlin accurately predicted that the Steelers would need such a play in order to defeat the Cardinals, who at the time of the interception, were poised to take the lead near the end of the first half.

                              "We had a practice prior to the game, we picked off maybe five or six passes," Tomlin said back in 2009 during an interview with NFL Network. "I'm watching (the) practice tape, I can't sleep, and I decide to make a cutup of every interception that we had in that practice. I noticed that we weren't rallying and getting offensive. So when we met on Thursday, I ran that cutup...didn't say much, other than the fact that this performance is probably not gonna be enough.

                              "We're gonna have to get out in front of people, and we're gonna have to run one back, or maybe two back."

                              Then, two sweeten the pot, Tomlin offered some incentive to the Steelers defense, who in 2008 was one of the best units of all-time.

                              "I told them that the last time I coached in a Super Bowl (as the Buccaneers defensive backs coach in Super Bowl XXXVII), the defense I was apart of ran three of them back, and put 21 points on the board. And I thought that that was a great defense," Tomlin said with a laugh. "They didn't think it was as funny as I did, but for the rest of the week, when we picked the ball off, they got out in front of one another, and ran it back."

                              Tomlin's prediction reached fruition on Super Bowl Sunday. After Harrison's pick, Pittsburgh's entire defense seemingly ran down the field with him, providing key blocks that helped Harrison on his way to the end zone. The pick-six gave the Steelers a 17-7 halftime lead, and is regarded as arguably the greatest defensive play in Super Bowl history.

                              "That's what I'll always remember about that play, that convoy of bodies around James," Tomlin said. "The number of people out in front of him and the people willing to peel back and get people chasing him as he ran out of gas is as spectacular as the play itself."

                              Polamalu, who retired this past offseason, said that Tomlin's prediction and emphasis on rallying after an interception was just one reason why the Steelers won that game, and why Tomlin is one of the best in the business.

                              "That's pretty amazing, the way things worked out that way," Polamalu said, looking back. "Him showing us that film, him driving that point across, him getting out of bed. That's the sign of a great coach. I would stayed in bed and kept sleeping."
                              Last edited by Captain Lemming; 04-27-2021, 05:35 PM.
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                              In view of the fact that Mike Tomlin has matched Cowhers record I give him the designation:

                              TCFCLTC-
                              The Coach Formerly Considered Less Than Cowher

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                              • NJ-STEELER
                                Legend
                                • May 2008
                                • 12563

                                Originally posted by feltdizz
                                whatever you need to tell yourself.. lol.

                                lol indeed, i forgot you have trouble comprehending what is written.
                                maybe even your own words hahaha

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