Stafford for Goff and more...

[hawaiiansteel]

The Rams have been playing with Monopoly money for years trying to win a Super Bowl asap and it is catching up to them. Lots of big trades and stupid contracts over there.

yet this is the franchise that Steel Maniac envies.

[Starlifter]

time will tell, but the rams and the lions have been two of the most poorly run franchises in decades. the truth is, they hit the lottery with a long shot named Warner - otherwise the rams would have never sniffed .800.

I think this trade is emblematic and typical of two franchises that don't know what they're doing.

[Steel Maniac]

time will tell, but the rams and the lions have been two of the most poorly run franchises in decades. the truth is, they hit the lottery with a long shot named Warner - otherwise the rams would have never sniffed .800.

I think this trade is emblematic and typical of two franchises that don't know what they're doing.

Rams management as of the last 4 years has been better then the majority of its existence . And for their fans, they seem to have a direction weather you agree with it or not. Clearly McVay felt that Geoff was holding the team back and now they’ve got a legit franchise QB.

The Lions on the other hand remains to be seen if they now have a coach who can change the culture and give them a definitive direction. But they’ve got the ammunition now to build a team with a great defense and running game to support a game manager QB in Geoff. If their smart , that should be the type of team they want to create.

[Northern_Blitz]

That’s sorta my point.
They have averaged drafting 15th since getting Stafford.
They are one of the worst teams the last 50 years.
During that time they have tried numerous things and obviously using their picks wisely isn’t one of them.
Now if I was a fan, I were oils be excited for a change but deep down I would know the lions will always be the lions and basically suck.

This is what people around here hated about the Bills between Kelly and the current team.

It's also why I want us to be bad this upcoming season. Rebuild is way better than constant mediocrity

[feltdizz]

The Rams have been playing with Monopoly money for years trying to win a Super Bowl asap and it is catching up to them. Lots of big trades and stupid contracts over there.



Has there ever been a time in the NFL with so many big name QBs on the move or unhappy?

Stafford
Goff
Watson
Wentz

Maybe:

Roethlisberger
Rodgers
Darnold
Trubisky

I'm sure I'm missing some

yeah.. but if they get another run at a SB its worth it. I’m sure some fans who enjoy the draft may be a bit frustrated but after years of mediocrity I’m sure they appreciate their team making a run.

Its the Washington Football Team blueprint but with much better results.

Now, if all you care about is winning a SB it has been failure after failure.. lol.

[feltdizz]

yet this is the franchise that Steel Maniac envies.

weird how one can envy and appreciate a franchise who hasn’t won a SB yet.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

Has there ever been a time in the NFL with so many big name QBs on the move or unhappy?

Stafford
Goff
Watson
Wentz

Maybe:

Roethlisberger
Rodgers
Darnold
Trubisky

I'm sure I'm missing some

I think that this list more interesting by some of the names on it.

Goff - Rams spent a ton of draft capital to move up to get him - two firsts, two seconds, two thirds - in 2016. He went to one SB with the Rams, and is now discarded. Depite the SB appearance, he never came close to fulfilling even first round status.

Wentz - almost same story as Goff, picked second in the same draft. Wentz has a ring, but watched Nick Foles QB the team to that championship.

Darnold - Third overall, second QB picked in 2018. Not the first QB from the first round that is probably moving on. #10 overall Josh Rosen is with his fourth organization. Quick, without looking, where is he now? I didn't know the answer, it is San Fran.

Trubisky - Second overall in 2017. Another trade up - the Bears gave up two thirds and a fourth to move up one spot. Never done a thing.

Just goes to show how fleeting success can be for a promising NFL QB. Buyer beware. The reason why I supported the team trying to find a guy in the bargain bin who has all the tools rather than shopping the premium aisles (trade up in the first or second contract trade or FA). I think the possibility of failure is the same either way, why not try someone low risk until you have to? If the Steelers are not a desperate team a QB away from a SB, live with Ben or Rudolph or Haskins until you find your guy.

[hawaiiansteel]

weird how one can envy and appreciate a franchise who hasn’t won a SB yet.

Steel Maniac fell in love with McVay the year he went to the Super Bowl.

just how he now wants Todd Bowles to be our head coach because he's in the Super Bowl also.

can't use logic on him, he's a bandwagon jumper.

[Northern_Blitz]

Steel Maniac fell in love with McVay the year he went to the Super Bowl.

just how he now wants Todd Bowles to be our head coach because he's in the Super Bowl also.

can't use logic on him, he's a bandwagon jumper.

This seems to be the case.

Needed an example in the "who would you take over Tomlin" debate. Guys that come into the league and have success early (with QBs on rookie contracts) look very good.

Many on here (raises own hand) pointed out that success would probably falter once the QB was getting a market level deal.

Many also predicted that the same thing would happen to Pete Carroll (another common response to "who would you rather have over Tomlin") after his QB received a market level deal.

There is a pattern to success in the NFL. There is a huge market inefficiency for teams that get lucky drafting QBs. I think it's difficult to find good ones, but if you do you should do everything you can to get a great defense when you have even an average QB on a rookie deal.

That seems to be the best / most repeatable path to success IMO.

Unfortunately, step 1 is "get lucky in the draft".

[Joel Buchsbaum]

This seems to be the case.

Needed an example in the "who would you take over Tomlin" debate. Guys that come into the league and have success early (with QBs on rookie contracts) look very good.

Many on here (raises own hand) pointed out that success would probably falter once the QB was getting a market level deal.

Many also predicted that the same thing would happen to Pete Carroll (another common response to "who would you rather have over Tomlin") after his QB received a market level deal.

There is a pattern to success in the NFL. There is a huge market inefficiency for teams that get lucky drafting QBs. I think it's difficult to find good ones, but if you do you should do everything you can to get a great defense when you have even an average QB on a rookie deal.

That seems to be the best / most repeatable path to success IMO.

Unfortunately, step 1 is "get lucky in the draft".

I think the formula is more QB, head coach and defense to win a championship. The trick is doing it on the Qb's #1st contract and paying him the correct market value on his 2nd contract and 3rd contract.

McVay is a very good head coach. The young offensive minded type that are taking over. I'd take him. His record with Goff a bottom 3rd starting QB. 46–24 (.657)

Impressive. With Stafford at QB, who's a clear step up over Goff I expect a deeper dive from the Rams into the playoffs in 2021.

[Northern_Blitz]

I think the formula is more QB, head coach and defense to win a championship. The trick is doing it on the Qb's #1st contract and paying him the correct market value on his 2nd contract and 3rd contract.

McVay is a very good head coach. The young offensive minded type that are taking over. I'd take him. His record with Goff a bottom 3rd starting QB. 46–24 (.657)

Impressive. With Stafford at QB, who's a clear step up over Goff I expect a deeper dive from the Rams into the playoffs in 2021.

I agree that you want to get as much as you can out of the 1st contract.

I don't think it's likely (almost impossible) to get good value on a 2nd contract QB. But you almost need to resign them. Then hope you win while you're sporadically competitive.

I agree Mcvay has had good results. I'd argue that it's as much because of the D as the O (even though the press clipping are about how he's great at Xs and Os on offense).

Let's see what his record looks like in a few years after he's had a market level QB for a longer period of time. I bet he's sporadically competitive, like our own HC who never got to play with a super cheap QB (because I think Ben was drafted before they massively devalued rookie contracts).

In fact, my guess is that he end up being worse than Tomlin (and Ben and Colbert) with a market level QB. Because (1) almost everyone is and (2) their FO doesn't seem to be very good IMO.

When their D gets older, I don't think they'll be much good. And losing out on so many 1st round picks seems likely to bite them in the ads IMO.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

I agree that you want to get as much as you can out of the 1st contract.

I don't think it's likely (almost impossible) to get good value on a 2nd contract QB. But you almost need to resign them. Then hope you win while you're sporadically competitive.

I agree Mcvay has had good results. I'd argue that it's as much because of the D as the O (even though the press clipping are about how he's great at Xs and Os on offense).

Let's see what his record looks like in a few years after he's had a market level QB for a longer period of time. I bet he's sporadically competitive, like our own HC who never got to play with a super cheap QB (because I think Ben was drafted before they massively devalued rookie contracts).

In fact, my guess is that he end up being worse than Tomlin (and Ben and Colbert) with a market level QB. Because (1) almost everyone is and (2) their FO doesn't seem to be very good IMO.

When their D gets older, I don't think they'll be much good. And losing out on so many 1st round picks seems likely to bite them in the ads IMO.

I think Stafford is a little underrated. How many people really watch a Detroit game unless the Steelers are playing them ( Once every four year ) or its Thanksgiving? He's a very good QB that plays for a terrible team. Next year his production will be better. They got a top 8-14 QB.

As for the Rams, they unloaded 65.2 million in dead cap money of they had to cut Goff, which they would if they found better. That's huge. I expect Goff to be even worse in Detroit, and replaced as soon as possible.

The Rams now have a QB, one of the better ones, and a Defense that features Donald and Ramsey in their primes, along with a very good head coach They got a legit 3- 4 year window to do something. Great trade for them. The worst thing in in NFL is over paying and giving a bad QB a long term contract.

Bottom line the Rams are better off. Saving that much on cap is worth more than 2 first round picks. You have to have good to great QB these days. Now they have one. If you have not focused on Stafford, he had little around him. The guy has a cannon for an arm and has been durable. Pretty accurate tool. Put a better coach and players around him and you've got something.

The " When their D gets older can be applied to any team. "

[Northern_Blitz]

I think Stafford is a little underrated. How many people really watch a Detroit game unless the Steelers are playing them ( Once every four year ) or its Thanksgiving? He's a very good QB that plays for a terrible team. Next year his production will be better. They got a top 8-14 QB.

As for the Rams, they unloaded 65.2 million in dead cap money of they had to cut Goff, which they would if they found better. That's huge. I expect Goff to be even worse in Detroit, and replaced as soon as possible.

The Rams now have a QB, one of the better ones, and a Defense that features Donald and Ramsey in their primes, along with a very good head coach They got a legit 3- 4 year window to do something. Great trade for them. The worst thing in in NFL is over paying and giving a bad QB a long term contract.

Bottom line the Rams are better off. Saving that much on cap is worth more than 2 first round picks. You have to have good to great QB these days. Now they have one. If you have not focused on Stafford, he had little around him. The guy has a cannon for an arm and has been durable. Pretty accurate tool. Put a better coach and players around him and you've got something.

The " When their D gets older can be applied to any team. "

We will see what happens. It's an interesting experiment.

I think the biggest benefit for the Rams is the lost cap hit you talk about. But they paid a lot for that.

My point for "when their D gets older" is that they gave up the best way to get young players.

[Joel Buchsbaum]

We will see what happens. It's an interesting experiment.

I think the biggest benefit for the Rams is the lost cap hit you talk about. But they paid a lot for that.

My point for "when their D gets older" is that they gave up the best way to get young players.

Yeah, we'll see. I think the Rams GM is smart enough or has learned to know you can't over pay for tier 3 starters , especially ones who make over 30M a year on the cap. While losing the two first round picks can hurt a defense, the Rams can now spend properly in free agency. Plus they have lots of draft picks in the future.

According to this excellent chart, the Rams were #1 overall in defense last year.

https://www.lineups.com/nfl-team-rankings/defense

Looking over their team, it's' young overall. Probably one of the younger teams in the NFL. I don't see any old players on defense that matter. Just two men with over 10 years experience on the team and one is the long snapper, the other should retire soon on the OL. IMO, the Rams D is good for 4-5 years. It's Ramseys 5th year, and Donald's 7th year. No age issues with the key star players on defense.

https://www.therams.com/team/players-roster/

[whatever]

I think Stafford is a little underrated. How many people really watch a Detroit game unless the Steelers are playing them ( Once every four year ) or its Thanksgiving? He's a very good QB that plays for a terrible team. Next year his production will be better. They got a top 8-14 QB.

As for the Rams, they unloaded 65.2 million in dead cap money of they had to cut Goff, which they would if they found better. That's huge. I expect Goff to be even worse in Detroit, and replaced as soon as possible.

The Rams now have a QB, one of the better ones, and a Defense that features Donald and Ramsey in their primes, along with a very good head coach They got a legit 3- 4 year window to do something. Great trade for them. The worst thing in in NFL is over paying and giving a bad QB a long term contract.

Bottom line the Rams are better off. Saving that much on cap is worth more than 2 first round picks. You have to have good to great QB these days. Now they have one. If you have not focused on Stafford, he had little around him. The guy has a cannon for an arm and has been durable. Pretty accurate tool. Put a better coach and players around him and you've got something.

The " When their D gets older can be applied to any team. "

This is spot on.
I’m stuck in lion land and have family that are huge fans. I see, hear and read about the lions more than I care to. Stafford is good.
He is pretty much their whole team. He does have inflated stats but that’s because they are always behind. He has also been dinged up but plays tough. He’s had some injuries that would justify him sitting out but he played thru it.
No reason for him to play the last game of the season but he did anyway. The guy is tough. Good family man and good for the community.
His stats may not go up because they probably won’t have to.

The only way I see this not working is because that division is brutal and they may not make the playoffs even tho they will be a quality team.