Stafford for Goff and more...

[Steel Maniac]

This deal was not about trading one QB for another and then equalizing with draft picks. This deal - for the Rams - was about getting out from under a contract with still plenty of guaranteed money for Goff. I believe that he is still owed over $40M in guarantees from whoever is his last employer of record. Probably one of those first rounders was given to offset that commitment.

Think of it as Stafford for a third in 2021 and first in 2022.
Then, Rams say "please take Goff and his contract off our hands. We'll give you a first rounder in 2023 if you do".

Exactly how I looked at it. Rams don’t have a first round pick till 2024. So that means they will be looking to move down to add picks often the next few drafts. Meaning no big first round signing bonuses and better chance at cap control over more modest contracts. If there GM can hit on those additional picks after thr trade downs, they don’t miss a beat. They must feel he can. Showing great confidence in their GM to hit later in thr draft on some prospects

[hawaiiansteel]

Exactly how I looked at it. Rams don’t have a first round pick till 2024. So that means they will be looking to move down to add picks often the next few drafts. Meaning no big first round signing bonuses and better chance at cap control over more modest contracts. If there GM can hit on those additional picks after thr trade downs, they don’t miss a beat. They must feel he can. Showing great confidence in their GM to hit later in thr draft on some prospects

you have stated how you wish we had McVay as our coach instead of Tomlin.

so how many Super Bowls has your boy McVay won so far?

[Northern_Blitz]

This deal was not about trading one QB for another and then equalizing with draft picks. This deal - for the Rams - was about getting out from under a contract with still plenty of guaranteed money for Goff. I believe that he is still owed over $40M in guarantees from whoever is his last employer of record. Probably one of those first rounders was given to offset that commitment.

Think of it as Stafford for a third in 2021 and first in 2022.
Then, Rams say "please take Goff and his contract off our hands. We'll give you a first rounder in 2023 if you do".

Yep, they gave up a lot to get him.

And now they're giving up a lot to get rid of him.

I think teams are starting to realize that only elite QBs can be OK with these huge contracts.

Maybe QB salaries for these average to above average guys will get driven down sometime soon with multiple teams looking to bail on huge deals.

[feltdizz]

Yep, they gave up a lot to get him.

And now they're giving up a lot to get rid of him.

I think teams are starting to realize that only elite QBs can be OK with these huge contracts.

Maybe QB salaries for these average to above average guys will get driven down sometime soon with multiple teams looking to bail on huge deals.

a reduced cap makes for some serious cost saving and a lot of these teams gave QB’s stupid money.

Also means teams will probably chill on these next round of QB contracts.

Especially when you can only have - fee thousand fans in your stadium right now.

[hawaiiansteel]

Exactly how I looked at it. Rams don’t have a first round pick till 2024. So that means they will be looking to move down to add picks often the next few drafts. Meaning no big first round signing bonuses and better chance at cap control over more modest contracts. If there GM can hit on those additional picks after thr trade downs, they don’t miss a beat. They must feel he can. Showing great confidence in their GM to hit later in thr draft on some prospects

you mean the same Rams GM that gave ridiculous contracts to Jared Goff and Todd Gurley?

[SteelerMaine83]

Gives you a little glimpse of what it may cost to acquire Watson, if that was your goal. Certainly younger and arguably better QB than Stafford. You would get him, pay him, and then have no high picks to surround him with for a couple years.
Hopefully this puts some perspective into what it takes to make moves like this, and what you need to give up. Any way you slice it our current cap issues and unprecedented number of meaningful FAs that we will lose would set Watson up for a Texans like welcome for the next few years.

[Steel Maniac]

Are you sure about that, sounds like INDY might be the biggest losers.

Stafford would of looked good there, Goeff might of even fit in there.

Clear path for Wentz to Indy now?

I think FR can fix Wentz if they land him. But Matt Ryan might be on the move as well and Ryan could get Indy to the AFC championship at least.

[Steel Maniac]

Gives you a little glimpse of what it may cost to acquire Watson, if that was your goal. Certainly younger and arguably better QB than Stafford. You would get him, pay him, and then have no high picks to surround him with for a couple years.
Hopefully this puts some perspective into what it takes to make moves like this, and what you need to give up. Any way you slice it our current cap issues and unprecedented number of meaningful FAs that we will lose would set Watson up for a Texans like welcome for the next few years.

Texans look foolish in their stance. Clearly Watson isn’t going to play for them. I get it that they want to try and keep his trade value as high as possible by saying he isn’t available but they are not fooling anyone. They better not let this get to close to the next season because offers for him could dwindle.

[Northern_Blitz]

Do you think it was worth it for the Rams to give up so many assets attaining Goff and then give up more assets getting rid of him?

I feel like you've been a big proponent of following the Rams model and I wonder if this changes your mind?

Any thoughts on this SM?

Not trying to attack.

Just think this would be an interesting discussion if you were willing to have it.

[whatever]

Sounds like both teams lost. Lions get rid of the only decent player on team that fans can relate too and rams gave away slot of picks.
As far as the lions getting those picks, they dill screw up the draft anyways.

[Northern_Blitz]

Sounds like both teams lost. Lions get rid of the only decent player on team that fans can relate too and rams gave away slot of picks.
As far as the lions getting those picks, they dill screw up the draft anyways.

Let's pause and be grateful we're Steelers fans here.

I know things kind of stuck right now.

But imagine being a lions fan with no real hope that they will use those assets to put a good team on the field.

[steeler_fan_in_t.o.]

Disagree WRT the Lions. Prior to the last couple of years, they never seem to be the team drafting in the top 10. They are a consistent middle of the road team that is never bad enough to get top picks, and never good enough to compete. Stafford, a good QB, but at 32 doubtful that he is around long enough for them to compete. They take a swing at Goff, and eat some cap space that they have. They will build with two extra day 1 picks and a day two pick. Within a couple of years they'll know if Goff is ready to lead a rebuilt young team, or they dump his contract and use the cap space to improve.

Not great, but at least they are trying something new when the same old thing doesn't even get them to the playoffs.

[Iron City Inc.]

Texans look foolish in their stance. Clearly Watson isn’t going to play for them. I get it that they want to try and keep his trade value as high as possible by saying he isn’t available but they are not fooling anyone. They better not let this get to close to the next season because offers for him could dwindle.

I agree Texans are just looking so bad they really are a dumpster fire.
I do think Watson is so talented though that if they didn't try to move him till after the draft they would still find trade partners. Only takes one dance partner and Watson being in his prime would be on the wish list of any qb needy team who struck out getting a qb in the draft.

[whatever]

Disagree WRT the Lions. Prior to the last couple of years, they never seem to be the team drafting in the top 10. They are a consistent middle of the road team that is never bad enough to get top picks, and never good enough to compete. Stafford, a good QB, but at 32 doubtful that he is around long enough for them to compete. They take a swing at Goff, and eat some cap space that they have. They will build with two extra day 1 picks and a day two pick. Within a couple of years they'll know if Goff is ready to lead a rebuilt young team, or they dump his contract and use the cap space to improve.

Not great, but at least they are trying something new when the same old thing doesn't even get them to the playoffs.

That’s sorta my point.
They have averaged drafting 15th since getting Stafford.
They are one of the worst teams the last 50 years.
During that time they have tried numerous things and obviously using their picks wisely isn’t one of them.
Now if I was a fan, I were oils be excited for a change but deep down I would know the lions will always be the lions and basically suck.

[D Rock]

The Rams have been playing with Monopoly money for years trying to win a Super Bowl asap and it is catching up to them. Lots of big trades and stupid contracts over there.



Has there ever been a time in the NFL with so many big name QBs on the move or unhappy?

Stafford
Goff
Watson
Wentz

Maybe:

Roethlisberger
Rodgers
Darnold
Trubisky

I'm sure I'm missing some