Congrats Bruce Arians

[NorthCoast]

Colon was not a good player. Very flag prone, and gave up his share of sacks. Good for an average of near 1 flag or sack a game. Look it up.

Kemo was a power player only. Essex the other guard was on the weak side. In fact I think he was weak. Our center Hartings was on his last legs, which is why Pouncey was the 1st pick.

Starks was solid but hardly special. The sacks are on the OL as much as Ben. Ben did like to hold the ball a little long, but look at what he did with the extra 1/2 second.

Take a look at the OL, and tell me if you think it was " good "

https://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/pittsburgh-steelers/roster/2009?sort=pos


Two points. 1 ) This OL was below par. 2 ) You wont do well arguing how Bruce did outside the Steelers.

He quit ("retired") on Arizona with one year remaining on his contract after a 49-30-1 record. Then turns around and unretires to sign a 4 yr deal with TB.

[Northern_Blitz]

And he didn't give Faneca the nod for the Hall either.

He should just admit to having an anti-Steeler bias. Because it's blatantly obvious after the last 2 years.

Didn't vote for Troy because he said he was a lock and he wanted to vote for a bubble guy. But did he vote for Manning this year?

And while I think Boselli (5x pro bowl, 3x all pro) probably gets in eventually, it's silly to put him in before Faneca (9x probowl 6x all pro). And Faneca could have been a 7x all pro, but flipped to OT to help the team (where he was a 2nd team all pro IIRC). Maybe I'm just too deep into the Terrible Podcast propaganda.

Someone should have reminded King that Faneca was also a Jet and a Cardinal. Maybe then he could have tried to be objective.

[Northern_Blitz]

This is a good class. I'd like to see the vote breakdown.

Aug 8th is Alan's day.

https://www.profootballhof.com/pro-football-hall-of-fames-class-of-2021/

While I don't like King (clearly I guess), I do respect that he openly reveals the votes he makes.

You'd think that see him making more justifiable picks. But, you gotta get clicks I guess.

[Northern_Blitz]

He quit ("retired") on Arizona with one year remaining on his contract after a 49-30-1 record. Then turns around and unretires to sign a 4 yr deal with TB.

He's trying to out-retire Favre.

But it's a lot easier to do when you're a coach and not a player.

Although IIRC, he publicly said that he wasn't retiring after leaving the Steelers (which was not what the team said).

[NorthCoast]

While I don't like King (clearly I guess), I do respect that he openly reveals the votes he makes.

You'd think that see him making more justifiable picks. But, you gotta get clicks I guess.

Well when Roethlisberger is up for the vote, if King is still voting it will be telling how strong his anti-Steeler bias is with his vote that year. He just has a bizarre way of thinking (overthinking?) on these players.

[Northern_Blitz]

Well when Roethlisberger is up for the vote, if King is still voting it will be telling how strong his anti-Steeler bias is with his vote that year. He just has a bizarre way of thinking (overthinking?) on these players.

King (probably): "I voted against Ben in his first ballot because I think his moral character isn't deserving of being a 1st ballot HoF".

Then, people will go back and see if he voted for Lewis on the 1st ballot (probably did if it's published).

[Joel Buchsbaum]

He quit ("retired") on Arizona with one year remaining on his contract after a 49-30-1 record. Then turns around and unretires to sign a 4 yr deal with TB.

Bruce has very real health problems. Are you aware of them? Others might have quit the game because of it .

Look at his record with the Steelers, and as he'd coach on any team, It's impressive. As for the OL during the super bowl game of 2009, ho boy was it bad. Bruce is also very good with the players and troubles ones. Based on the super bowl, he picked the right team to coach for.

[Northern_Blitz]

Here are the QBs that Arians has worked with:
- Tom Brady (TB)
- Jameis Winston (TB)
- Carson Palmer (Ari)
- Andrew Luck (Indy)
- Big Ben (Pit)
- Peyton Manning (Indy).

Brady and Peyton are probably the two best QBs of the cap era.

Ben is a HoF player.

Luck was thought to be the best QB coming out of college since Peyton.

Now, I'm sure that Arians has had some impact on the level of success of some of these guys. But, it doesn't hurt to have a QB line up like that.

Note that this doesn't mean he's not a good coach. Just that coaching (like everything) is about how good you are and how good a situation you're in. BA has been in some pretty great situations re: QB play IMO.

And only one of the guys he played with was "Cowher's player" .

[feltdizz]

Here are the QBs that Arians has worked with:
- Tom Brady (TB)
- Jameis Winston (TB)
- Carson Palmer (Ari)
- Andrew Luck (Indy)
- Big Ben (Pit)
- Peyton Manning (Indy).

Brady and Peyton are probably the two best QBs of the cap era.

Ben is a HoF player.

Luck was thought to be the best QB coming out of college since Peyton.

Now, I'm sure that Arians has had some impact on the level of success of some of these guys. But, it doesn't hurt to have a QB line up like that.

Note that this doesn't mean he's not a good coach. Just that coaching (like everything) is about how good you are and how good a situation you're in. BA has been in some pretty great situations re: QB play IMO.

And only one of the guys he played with was "Cowher's player" .

so how does a guy like BA always end up coaching great QB’s? Obviously he is doing something right to work with some of the best to ever play the position.

[Northern_Blitz]

so how does a guy like BA always end up coaching great QB’s? Obviously he is doing something right to work with some of the best to ever play the position.

You think he made Peyton, Ben, and Brady?

Maybe Peyton and Ben to some extent.

Certainly not Brady.

[feltdizz]

You think he made Peyton, Ben, and Brady?

Maybe Peyton and Ben to some extent.

Certainly not Brady.

Hell no.. that wasn’t my intention when asking that question.

Have you ever known a corny dude or average looking guy who always dates hot chicks? At some point you have to admit maybe the dude isn’t average or corny?

[hawaiiansteel]

Hell no.. that wasn’t my intention when asking that question.

Have you ever known a corny dude or average looking guy who always dates hot chicks? At some point you have to admit maybe the dude isn’t average or corny?

yeah, he's rich.

[feltdizz]

Bruce has very real health problems. Are you aware of them? Others might have quit the game because of it .

Look at his record with the Steelers, and as he'd coach on any team, It's impressive. As for the OL during the super bowl game of 2009, ho boy was it bad. Bruce is also very good with the players and troubles ones. Based on the super bowl, he picked the right team to coach for.

BA said the only reason he came back is because everyone he wanted on his staff was available.

He does less work, calls less plays and said he is home much earlier than any of his other stints at HC.

and his staff is probably one of the most diverse staffs in football. 2 women and a bunch of former players like Randall El, Foote, Lefwich who followed him to Tampa.

I’m happy for him, especially for how the FO and the fans treated him in Pittsburgh. They booed him at the SB parade. Steeler fans really live to hate their OC’s.

[feltdizz]

yeah, he's rich.

ha.. or maybe, he knows how to talk to hot chicks?

[Captain Lemming]

so how does a guy like BA always end up coaching great QB’s? Obviously he is doing something right to work with some of the best to ever play the position.

Timely "retiring" and resurfacing in the right spots. .

Then if you can't fix an elite talent (Winston) you give up and poach a guy who is 50/50 to be in a Superbowl every year.