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  • Ghost
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    • May 2008
    • 6240

    #16
    Originally posted by headalettuce
    also, a quick way to identify douches on message boards.
    this place is so damn toxic.
    Lighten up bunch of carrots...
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    • SteelBucks
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      • Aug 2008
      • 8075

      #17
      Originally posted by Eich
      Great. Redskins reject. Just what we need. How is he better than Dobbs?
      After March, the only QBs we have on the roster are Ben and Rudolph, and Ben won’t be around after next season. I’d like to see the terms but I’d consider this a low risk signing.

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      • Northern_Blitz
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        • Dec 2008
        • 23986

        #18
        Originally posted by whatever
        I too am curious about the money.
        Something just doesn’t seem right tho.
        Unless he got real good money or was told Ben is done, signing now doesn’t make sense.
        I imagine that he's playing for ~$1M or whatever the minimum for a 2 year player is.

        I want us to rebuild, so I'm probably just reading the tea leaves the way I want.

        But it seems like this might be an indication that Ben isn't coming back.

        More probably, it's just that we needed a 3rd QB and having a young guy with high pedigree for cheap is a good decision.

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        • Ghost
          Legend
          • May 2008
          • 6240

          #19
          Originally posted by SteelBucks
          After March, the only QBs we have on the roster are Ben and Rudolph, and Ben won’t be around after next season. I’d like to see the terms but I’d consider this a low risk signing.
          I year deal. Gets to try to make the 53 man roster.

          He now joins an illustrious group of 1st round QBs bought in by Colbert:

          Ben Roethlisberger
          Tommy Maddox
          Michael Vick
          Byron Leftwich
          Paxton Lynch
          Dwayne Haskins
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          • Northern_Blitz
            Legend
            • Dec 2008
            • 23986

            #20
            Originally posted by Ghost
            I year deal. Gets to try to make the 53 man roster.

            He now joins an illustrious group of 1st round QBs bought in by Colbert:

            Ben Roethlisberger
            Tommy Maddox
            Michael Vick
            Byron Leftwich
            Paxton Lynch
            Dwayne Haskins
            To be fair, only one of those guys was brought in to be a starter.

            And he'll have a bust in Canton.

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            • SteelBucks
              Legend
              • Aug 2008
              • 8075

              #21
              Originally posted by Ghost
              I year deal. Gets to try to make the 53 man roster.

              He now joins an illustrious group of 1st round QBs bought in by Colbert:

              Ben Roethlisberger
              Tommy Maddox
              Michael Vick
              Byron Leftwich
              Paxton Lynch
              Dwayne Haskins
              I’m liking this. This is very low risk if it’s a one year deal. A young, former first round pick with something to prove. If he doesn’t pan out, he gets released. Boom or bust...

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              • SteelerOfDeVille
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                • May 2008
                • 9065

                #22
                Originally posted by headalettuce
                also, a quick way to identify douches on message boards.
                this place is so damn toxic.
                with that attitude and no sense of humor, i'm disappointed that you came back.
                2013 MNF Executive Champion!

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                • feltdizz
                  Legend
                  • May 2008
                  • 27226

                  #23
                  it should be a cheap deal..

                  and its covid offseason. I imagine he wants to be on a team as soon as possible instead of waiting and risking an offseason with limited workouts.

                  doubt this has anything to do with Ben’s decision.
                  Steelers 27
                  Rats 16

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                  • whatever
                    Legend
                    • Sep 2019
                    • 5789

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                    I imagine that he's playing for ~$1M or whatever the minimum for a 2 year player is.

                    I want us to rebuild, so I'm probably just reading the tea leaves the way I want.

                    But it seems like this might be an indication that Ben isn't coming back.

                    More probably, it's just that we needed a 3rd QB and having a young guy with high pedigree for cheap is a good decision.
                    I hope you’re right about the money.
                    The timing makes no sense tho.
                    Can’t wait for the numbers to help clear stuff up.
                    I’ll go on record saying I really like this signing if the money is low.
                    It’s okay to gamble on a terrible qb with lots and lots of character issues as long as it’s low risk.
                    How is it possible to have the best owner, best front office, best gm, best HC, good/great drafts every year and good FA acquisitions every year, but only have 3 playoff wins in 14 years?

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                    • hawaiiansteel
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                      • May 2008
                      • 35317

                      #25
                      Steelers sign four to Reserve/Future contracts

                      Jan 21, 2021
                      Teresa Varley
                      Steelers.com

                      The Steelers have signed four players to Reserve/Future contracts, including defensive back Stephen Denmark, quarterback Dwayne Haskins, tight end Charles Jones and tight end Dax Raymond.

                      The Steelers signed four players to Reserve/Future contracts, including quarterback Dwayne Haskins

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                      • Northern_Blitz
                        Legend
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 23986

                        #26
                        Originally posted by whatever
                        I hope you’re right about the money.
                        The timing makes no sense tho.
                        Can’t wait for the numbers to help clear stuff up.
                        I’ll go on record saying I really like this signing if the money is low.
                        It’s okay to gamble on a terrible qb with lots and lots of character issues as long as it’s low risk.
                        This.

                        Bring in anyone in on a deal near minimum salary. You only count your highest 51 (or so) contracts. So there's no harm in cutting a guy at a minimum deal because he'll just be replaced by a guy with the same cap hit.

                        And I think the "character issues" re: covid violations were really just the Redskins taking the opportunity to get out of the contract. If they decided he wasn't the future, I think violations like that let them recoup SB and guarantees. Not sure if they ended up going through with this though.

                        A guy can be a mistake of a high draft pick, but still contribute to a team. Darius Heyward-Bey comes to mind.



                        The language of Haskins’ contract, a copy of which PFT has obtained, has specific terminology that voids remaining guarantees based on something less than an actual suspension. Here’s the key language, regarding : “Player shall be deemed in Default of the Contract if Player takes any action that Club determines, in its reasonable discretion, undermines the public’s respect for . . . Player’s teammates, Club’s ownership, coaches, [or] management.”
                        The Haskins contract also says that, in the event of a default, all remaining guarantees “shall immediately be deemed NULL AND VOID.” (Emphasis in original.)
                        Last edited by Northern_Blitz; 01-21-2021, 04:29 PM.

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                        • hawaiiansteel
                          Legend
                          • May 2008
                          • 35317

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                          This.

                          Bring in anyone in on a deal near minimum salary. You only count your highest 51 (or so) contracts. So there's no harm in cutting a guy at a minimum deal because he'll just be replaced by a guy with the same cap hit.
                          Haskins signed a reserve/futures contract, there's no risk at all.

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                          • Northern_Blitz
                            Legend
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 23986

                            #28
                            Originally posted by hawaiiansteel
                            Haskins signed a reserve/futures contract, there's no risk at all.
                            Yep. Good decision.

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                            • NorthCoast
                              Legend
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 26228

                              #29
                              One year deal; it's a rental for a backup.

                              And there's this...not exactly murders row:

                              Steelers Depot Christmas tree
                              @Steelersdepot
                              First-round QBs that have landed in Pittsburgh under Kevin Colbert

                              Ben Roethlisberger
                              Tommy Maddox
                              Michael Vick
                              Byron Leftwich
                              Paxton Lynch
                              Dwayne Haskins

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                              • whatever
                                Legend
                                • Sep 2019
                                • 5789

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                                This.

                                Bring in anyone in on a deal near minimum salary. You only count your highest 51 (or so) contracts. So there's no harm in cutting a guy at a minimum deal because he'll just be replaced by a guy with the same cap hit.

                                And I think the "character issues" re: covid violations were really just the Redskins taking the opportunity to get out of the contract. If they decided he wasn't the future, I think violations like that let them recoup SB and guarantees. Not sure if they ended up going through with this though.

                                A guy can be a mistake of a high draft pick, but still contribute to a team. Darius Heyward-Bey comes to mind.



                                The language of Haskins’ contract, a copy of which PFT has obtained, has specific terminology that voids remaining guarantees based on something less than an actual suspension. Here’s the key language, regarding : “Player shall be deemed in Default of the Contract if Player takes any action that Club determines, in its reasonable discretion, undermines the public’s respect for . . . Player’s teammates, Club’s ownership, coaches, [or] management.”
                                The Haskins contract also says that, in the event of a default, all remaining guarantees “shall immediately be deemed NULL AND VOID.” (Emphasis in original.)
                                I could care less about the actual Covid violation, it’s the fact that he blatantly put himself ahead of the team. Plenty of reports about him being lazy, conceited, arrogant and uncoachable.
                                Gotta have some major issues to dump a guy that quick.
                                But it sounds like the price is right to see if he can get his career straightened out.
                                How is it possible to have the best owner, best front office, best gm, best HC, good/great drafts every year and good FA acquisitions every year, but only have 3 playoff wins in 14 years?

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