QB Sneak

[Oh wow]

I haven't watched pee wee football in awhile but I never remember them running shotgun. Then again, there wasn't much passing so that's probably why.

I can see how the mentally challenged think taking a snap from under center is difficult.

Or maybe it's so god damn mentally challenging that you need to get into med school before it's taught.

Next time I need surgery, I'll just go to the pee wee football team. Apparently, they are prodigies, future doctors with the absolute brilliance to be able to work under center.

Or maybe, I'm just right again with expecting an NFL starting QB to be able to do the same thing an 8 year old can do.

I wouldn't expect them to read at an 8 year old level. That's pushing the limits. It's simple playing football at an 8 year old level.

You sound angry.

The game has changed since we played pee wee football.

Watch some college ball. Majority of it is shotgun all game.

[tiproast]

Just because Mahomes got hurt on the sneak doesn't mean you should take it out of the playbook.

Exactly.

Roethlisberger got hurt while throwing a pass - does that mean passing plays should be taken out of the playbook?

[Northern_Blitz]

Exactly.

Roethlisberger got hurt while throwing a pass - does that mean passing plays should be taken out of the playbook?

sarcasm That might explain the offense we've been running since he got hurt /sarcasm

[Steel Maniac]

No kidding. What other play has players moving that slow?
Christ, I wouldn't be afraid to run one at my age and shape.

Neither would I....it's just ridiculous some of the rational I hear about this.

[whatever]

You sound angry.

The game has changed since we played pee wee football.

Watch some college ball. Majority of it is shotgun all game.

If a coach is running shotgun in pee wee football he 1) is losing every game 2) should be told to step down.

[whatever]

Neither would I....it's just ridiculous some of the rational I hear about this.

I think you have people here that have never competed at any Ievel and are overwhelmed with people with talent.

[hawaiiansteel]

If a coach is running shotgun in pee wee football he 1) is losing every game 2) should be told to step down.

I would think there'd be a lot of bad snaps and balls on the ground...

[ikestops85]

If a coach is running shotgun in pee wee football he 1) is losing every game 2) should be told to step down.

I hate to tell you this but my son played pee wee football for 2 years and the QB was always in the shotgun formation. The coach's son was the center and he was about half the size of the other kids but I only remember a few bad snaps. We were undefeated the first year and were 6-2 the second year. We also passed 4 or 5 times a game. You think the coach should step down? Ridiculous.

[whatever]

I would think there'd be a lot of bad snaps and balls on the ground...

There is.
Dad's that think they are smarter than every other coach run gimmicky stuff. Shotgun, 3 and 4 wide etc etc.
Soon as I saw their pregame offense runthrews, I knew a whippin was coming.
Very few high schools throw a lot because the success rate is so low. Now try it with 7,8 and 8 year olds ....please.
Usually those same dad's have their kid at qb. Go figure.

[Northern_Blitz]

I hate to tell you this but my son played pee wee football for 2 years and the QB was always in the shotgun formation. The coach's son was the center and he was about half the size of the other kids but I only remember a few bad snaps. We were undefeated the first year and were 6-2 the second year. We also passed 4 or 5 times a game. You think the coach should step down? Ridiculous.

At least whatever's coaching evaluations are consistent from pee-wee to the NFL.

[Oh wow]

people who admit they don’t watch Pee Wee football are trying to tell people who do that they don’t run shotgun?

[NorthCoast]

Pretty obvious who the king of QB sneaks is.




Roethlisberger in the upper half of expected points added by a QB sneak:

[Steel Maniac]

I think you have people here that have never competed at any Ievel and are overwhelmed with people with talent.

You may have a point.

[hawaiiansteel]

You may have a point.

so please explain to me the point of your sig.

are you saying since the Dolphins never sniffed a Super Bowl after Don Shula that we will never win another Super Bowl after Mike Tomlin?

[Ghost]

It's not only baffling the Steelers do no utilize the sneak; it's downright irresponsible based on the success rates that have been thoroughly researched.

A 2015 Yale research paper stated that QB sneak attempts are worth nearly twice as much as non-sneaks by a metric called estimated points added.

Universally, these studies give QB sneaks a success rate between 70 and 90 percent. Nothing else in football has a 70 to 90 percent success rate! In this sport, that’s as close to a sure thing as you can get.


On third or fourth down with a yard or less to go since 2015, teams have called an inside zone (a run up the middle with no pulling lineman or lead blockers) 1,193 times. It’s outside counterpart is a distant second with only 294 attempts. QB sneak ranks third with 266.

Despite being the most commonly run, the inside zone ranks as the second worst play call in terms of first down conversion rate at 68 percent, narrowly edging out the outside zone at 66 percent. By comparison, the QB sneak has a conversion rate of about 88 percent, 20 percentage points better than the inside zone, and 15 percentage points better than the closest play call to a running back.

What’s more, the QB sneak is not an acquired skill, and doesn’t require a particularly athletic quarterback. Since 2015, Blake Bortles, Nick Foles, Drew Brees, and Josh Allen have all boasted perfect conversion rates (Brees has the most successes, 23-of-23). Carson Wentz, Kirk Cousins and Matt Ryan have each failed only once, and no quarterback had a conversion rate lower than the inside zone’s 68 percent.


Yale Paper: https://sports.sites.yale.edu/succes...es-fourth-down