Washington Wants Tomlin

[Northern_Blitz]

So you are still mad they lost to the Jags twice in 2017.

Maybe, just maybe.. the Jags were the better team that year.

I know, I know... that’s sounds crazy.

They were unquestionably the better D.

Hard to win games when you lose the turnover battle.

Needed to get an early lead and protect the ball. Force their O to open up.

We did the opposite, which played in their hands. Kept it close by scoring on their up by 2 scores D. They got a stop or a turnover when they needed it.

[steelz09]

So you are still mad they lost to the Jags twice in 2017.

Maybe, just maybe.. the Jags were the better team that year.

I know, I know... that’s sounds crazy.

We made Bortles look like an all-pro when he barely looked like a competent starter his entire career. That was one of the worst coached games I've ever seen.

Now, he's a backup. Fits the mold of Tomlin choking in the playoffs over the past 8 years approx.

[Northern_Blitz]

We made Bortles look like an all-pro when he barely looked like a competent starter his entire career. That was one of the worst coached games I've ever seen.

Now, he's a backup. Fits the mold of Tomlin choking in the playoffs over the past 8 years approx.

Don't forget Ben. Can only score more points that backup QBs in the playoffs.

[Steel Maniac]

Don't forget Ben. Can only score more points that backup QBs in the playoffs.

Ben brought us back to be in position to win that game by the beginning of the 4th qtr. the defense gave bortles 17 points in the 4th qtr. the defense. Tomlin’s defense and Butlers defense.

It is just amazing how you TTT’s make up and reimagine things to cover for Tomlin’s inadequacies.

[Oh wow]

We made Bortles look like an all-pro when he barely looked like a competent starter his entire career. That was one of the worst coached games I've ever seen.

Now, he's a backup. Fits the mold of Tomlin choking in the playoffs over the past 8 years approx.

and? They also led the Pats at halftime and if not for an amazing defensive play and conservative play calling in the second half they probably beat the Pats


They had a good team that year and beat us twice on our field and forced Ben into 6 or 7 turnovers in 2 games.

The other team gets paid too.

Not sure why everyone is acting like we had the better team that year.

[Oh wow]

Ben brought us back to be in position to win that game by the beginning of the 4th qtr. the defense gave bortles 17 points in the 4th qtr. the defense. Tomlin’s defense and Butlers defense.

It is just amazing how you TTT’s make up and reimagine things to cover for Tomlin’s inadequacies.

Be also had 2 early turnovers AND anytime we forced a stop in the second half the offense went 3 and out or turned it over on downs.

We lost... get over it like you got over all the Cowher losses.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

Wait a minute. This didnt start yesterday. He has been a Steeler for THIRTEEN YEARS received SEVERAL extensions. You call him a grade "C" coach.
So the Rooneys are so inept the hired a "grade C" coach who is the SECOND HIGHEST TENURED HEAD COACH IN THE LEAGUE.

And you are telling me that people so stupid to hire and keep a below average coach for longer than any team save for the Pats.....inspire confidence in their coaching judgement?

The only logical basis for "trusting" the Rooneys to hit the mark on the NEXT guy is to believe they made the right call on the LAST guy.

Your argument implies that not only are the Rooneys inept in HIRING Tomlin. They we too dumb to recognize he was a terrible coach who is the only piece keeping Ben's Steelers from being a stinkin dynasty.

How can you make a case that we should be confident in the NEXT coach hire?

You just made clear they are incapable of knowing a bad coach from a good one.

Seriously, SM - you got owned there...

[Mr.wizard]

Wait a minute. This didnt start yesterday. He has been a Steeler for THIRTEEN YEARS received SEVERAL extensions. You call him a grade "C" coach.
So the Rooneys are so inept the hired a "grade C" coach who is the SECOND HIGHEST TENURED HEAD COACH IN THE LEAGUE.

And you are telling me that people so stupid to hire and keep a below average coach for longer than any team save for the Pats.....inspire confidence in their coaching judgement?

The only logical basis for "trusting" the Rooneys to hit the mark on the NEXT guy is to believe they made the right call on the LAST guy.

Your argument implies that not only are the Rooneys inept in HIRING Tomlin. They we too dumb to recognize he was a terrible coach who is the only piece keeping Ben's Steelers from being a stinkin dynasty.

How can you make a case that we should be confident in the NEXT coach hire?

You just made clear they are incapable of knowing a bad coach from a good one.

This.....one hundred times over.

[Northern_Blitz]

Ben brought us back to be in position to win that game by the beginning of the 4th qtr. the defense gave bortles 17 points in the 4th qtr. the defense. Tomlin’s defense and Butlers defense.

It is just amazing how you TTT’s make up and reimagine things to cover for Tomlin’s inadequacies.

I thought you blocked all the name callers, must be tough to read your own posts

Do you think losing the best player on the D after the trade deadline and replacing him with a guy off the couch maybe had something to do with the subpar D?

And the truth is we lost twice to the Jags in 2017 mostly because of Ben.

The Jags D owned Ben in 2017.

They generated 7 turnovers by Ben personally in 2 games. To put that in context: On average in 2017 defenses generated 13.5 Ints and 8.5 fumbles for a total of 22 turnovers per game (or 1.4 turnovers per game). Against the Jags, Ben was responsible for 7 total turnovers, or 3.5 / game. That's three times the average number of turnovers a team generates just on Ben. That is terrible execution from a guy that will deservedly end up in the HoF.

And his turnovers in the playoff game came early, allowing them to get a big lead. That's exactly the opposite of what we wanted to do against a team with an offense that was less than dynamic.

Or maybe Tomlin should have run the "not interception" and "not fumble" plays more often. But, you're supposed to be able to let a HoF QB do more than manage the game. Or maybe Tomlin deserves credit for cutting Ben's number of turnovers by 60% from the regular season game to the playoff game? But really, the guy that screwed up is the guy that should own the mistakes.

Ben did well against their D in the playoffs anytime they were up by 2 scores. But they stopped us or turned it over anytime they weren't.

Because Ben and the team played well after a terrible start (testament to good coaching), we still had a chance to win at the end of the game. And while Ben was the biggest reason for the almost comeback, he was also the biggest reason we lost IMO.

[Mr.wizard]

So you are still mad they lost to the Jags twice in 2017.

Maybe, just maybe.. the Jags were the better team that year.

I know, I know... that’s sounds crazy.

Well after Captain Lemming's post he wants change the subject.

[SteelerOfDeVille]

Ben brought us back to be in position to win that game by the beginning of the 4th qtr. the defense gave bortles 17 points in the 4th qtr. the defense. Tomlin’s defense and Butlers defense.

It is just amazing how you TTT’s make up and reimagine things to cover for Tomlin’s inadequacies.

it was a Jake Plummer game, wasn't it? At one point, Jake Plummer lead the league in comeback victories, but he also had a habit of giving away a TO or two early in the game before leading the comeback.

IIRC, Ben threw a pick first Steelers possession, first play. Down 14-0 early.

Seems like the next drive (coulda been a drive or two later, but, still first half) was the 4th and 1 where the idiot OC called an outside run instead of right up the middle... why do you do that against a small, fast defense? (Guys, I've been saying it... HALEY has been the problem - but, i digress!)

In any event, sometimes a single bounce or play changes the whole complexion of the game.

And as pointed out above - Shazier....

[SteelerOfDeVille]

I thought you blocked all the name callers. Maybe you lied...but you said you blocked all the liars too.

that depends on whether you want tomlin fired or not. ya ballwasher

[Oh wow]

Well after Captain Lemming's post he wants change the subject.

I think this is a large reason for bitterness towards Tomlin.

People thought the first Jag loss was a fluke and we would walk all over the Jags.

For some reason that meant the team AND Tomlin also thought it would be an easy win.

No such thing and that Hags team matched up perfectly against us and they owned the LOS.

Everyone saying “Ben brought us back” are also quick to ignore why we were down early and how we were in desperation mode most of the game.

Anytime a team is down big and fights back you rarely see them seal the deal.

I could see if we played down to a lesser team but they were a damn good team and we just got beat. It happens.

[Oh wow]

it was a Jake Plummer game, wasn't it? At one point, Jake Plummer lead the league in comeback victories, but he also had a habit of giving away a TO or two early in the game before leading the comeback.

IIRC, Ben threw a pick first Steelers possession, first play. Down 14-0 early.

Seems like the next drive (coulda been a drive or two later, but, still first half) was the 4th and 1 where the idiot OC called an outside run instead of right up the middle... why do you do that against a small, fast defense? (Guys, I've been saying it... HALEY has been the problem - but, i digress!)

In any event, sometimes a single bounce or play changes the whole complexion of the game.

And as pointed out above - Shazier....

There was also the sack fumble returned for a TD.

I think, I can’t remember.. we turned the ball over so much in those Jags losses that year I can’t remember if the sack fumble was in the first game or the second.. or both.

Don’t forget the 4th and short where Eli was wide open for a first down and Ben tried to go to JuJu who was blanketed and maybe interfered with.. smh.

[Steel Maniac]

There was also the sack fumble returned for a TD.

I think, I can’t remember.. we turned the ball over so much in those Jags losses that year I can’t remember if the sack fumble was in the first game or the second.. or both.

Don’t forget the 4th and short where Eli was wide open for a first down and Ben tried to go to JuJu who was blanketed and maybe interfered with.. smh.

Oh Wow, why are you using the "oh wow" name again? I thought you went back to your "feltdizz" handle?