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  • whatever
    Legend
    • Sep 2019
    • 5795

    #31
    'Tell me who is gonna be better'
    That's got to be one of the stupidest arguments ever to keep someone.
    How is it possible to have the best owner, best front office, best gm, best HC, good/great drafts every year and good FA acquisitions every year, but only have 3 playoff wins in 14 years?

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    • whatever
      Legend
      • Sep 2019
      • 5795

      #32
      Why would Tomlin leave?
      He isn't held accountable here and has job security.
      Rooney's don't fire coaches so thet aren't going to trade one either. Obviously they are happy with underachieving. They like to say they only have had 4 coaches in 50 years...
      How is it possible to have the best owner, best front office, best gm, best HC, good/great drafts every year and good FA acquisitions every year, but only have 3 playoff wins in 14 years?

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      • Northern_Blitz
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        • Dec 2008
        • 24382

        #33
        Originally posted by whatever
        'Tell me who is gonna be better'
        That's got to be one of the stupidest arguments ever to keep someone.
        It's more like

        Making decisions with expected negative return is a really terrible practice.

        We almost beat the team that's going to win the division with our 2nd and 3rd (really 4th) string QBs who have like 3 games of experience between them.

        We don't have the talent on O to score points (or even get 1st downs).

        We're losing because we're not good. Not because of decisions made by the coach (which likely have small but positive effects on win percentage)

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        • whatever
          Legend
          • Sep 2019
          • 5795

          #34
          Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
          It's more like

          Making decisions with expected negative return is a really terrible practice.

          We almost beat the team that's going to win the division with our 2nd and 3rd (really 4th) string QBs who have like 3 games of experience between them.

          We don't have the talent on O to score points (or even get 1st downs).

          We're losing because we're not good. Not because of decisions made by the coach (which likely have small but positive effects on win percentage)
          BS. Go back and read all the threads about how great our wr corp is, our rbs are great and 3 deep, got a franchise qb waiting for Ben to retire, top 5 oline in NFL.
          All our draft picks were awesome. Same with FA. No drama to deal with, huge production projections , great players aren't gonna make the 53, season predictions with most fans claiming 11-5 to 14-2 etc etc.
          Then add in the incredible trades made during the season.
          No way all that can be said by so many knowledgeable fans and now claim no talent.
          How is it possible to have the best owner, best front office, best gm, best HC, good/great drafts every year and good FA acquisitions every year, but only have 3 playoff wins in 14 years?

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          • Northern_Blitz
            Legend
            • Dec 2008
            • 24382

            #35
            Originally posted by whatever
            BS. Go back and read all the threads about how great our wr corp is, our rbs are great and 3 deep, got a franchise qb waiting for Ben to retire, top 5 oline in NFL.
            All our draft picks were awesome. Same with FA. No drama to deal with, huge production projections , great players aren't gonna make the 53, season predictions with most fans claiming 11-5 to 14-2 etc etc.
            Then add in the incredible trades made during the season.
            No way all that can be said by so many knowledgeable fans and now claim no talent.
            I'm not beholden to the beliefs of others on the board (not big on group think).

            Maniac was wrong about our WR corps. But that's probably a combination of optimism and not enough data (and also assuming Ben would make WRs better).

            You can read my posts about the WRs if you like. I said we had Juju who was good and then a bunch of question marks.

            Instead of hiding behind straw men, why don't you tell us what you think about our talent at WR and on O in general.

            Do you actually think we're good?

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            • Mr.wizard
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              • May 2014
              • 6686

              #36
              Originally posted by whatever
              Why would Tomlin leave?
              He isn't held accountable here and has job security.
              Rooney's don't fire coaches so thet aren't going to trade one either. Obviously they are happy with underachieving. They like to say they only have had 4 coaches in 50 years...
              And they have obviously underachieved, I mean they only have run one of the most historic and successful franchises in history.

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              • Obviously
                Rookie
                • Sep 2019
                • 16

                #37
                Originally posted by Oviedo
                That is ridiculous. There aren't 7 billion who can be successful NFL coaches. Just look at how many HC get hired and fired every year. That is why you don't dump a good one when you have one to appease a spoiled fan base. By any statistical analysis it is unlikely you can easily replace Tomlin's success year in and year out.
                Good one? That statement alone makes me stop reading anything you wrote after that.

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                • Obviously
                  Rookie
                  • Sep 2019
                  • 16

                  #38
                  Originally posted by Oviedo
                  Cowboys will sell their souls to hire him. He will be the highest paid coach in the NFL the day he is hired.
                  And out of a job in two years. Tomlin isn't fooling anyone nor can he build a team. He has only lasted this long because he is the face for the Rooney Rule. He will be exposed in two years for another team and working in college or the assistant ranks after he gets fired.

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                  • whatever
                    Legend
                    • Sep 2019
                    • 5795

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Mr.wizard
                    And they have obviously underachieved, I mean they only have run one of the most historic and successful franchises in history.
                    Our regular seasons record has been great but 3 post season wins in 8 years is not success in my eyes.
                    There are a dozen teams with that many or more during that span and most with far less talent.
                    Obviously there are fans happy with the way our last 10 seasons have ended. I'm not one of them.
                    How is it possible to have the best owner, best front office, best gm, best HC, good/great drafts every year and good FA acquisitions every year, but only have 3 playoff wins in 14 years?

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                    • Mr.wizard
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                      • May 2014
                      • 6686

                      #40
                      Originally posted by whatever
                      Our regular seasons record has been great but 3 post season wins in 8 years is not success in my eyes.
                      There are a dozen teams with that many or more during that span and most with far less talent.
                      Obviously there are fans happy with the way our last 10 seasons have ended. I'm not one of them.
                      Maybe the Rooney's don't think it's due to coaching and maybe they know a little bit about football.

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                      • Northern_Blitz
                        Legend
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 24382

                        #41
                        Originally posted by whatever
                        Our regular seasons record has been great but 3 post season wins in 8 years is not success in my eyes.
                        There are a dozen teams with that many or more during that span and most with far less talent.
                        Obviously there are fans happy with the way our last 10 seasons have ended. I'm not one of them.
                        Again, what do you think of the talent level of the offense this year?

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                        • whatever
                          Legend
                          • Sep 2019
                          • 5795

                          #42
                          Originally posted by Northern_Blitz
                          Again, what do you think of the talent level of the offense this year?
                          Better than 29th in the league.
                          How is it possible to have the best owner, best front office, best gm, best HC, good/great drafts every year and good FA acquisitions every year, but only have 3 playoff wins in 14 years?

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                          • steelz09
                            Administrator
                            • Jan 2008
                            • 4675

                            #43
                            I'm 100% confident in saying that Jay Gruden would have been just as successful or moreso especially in the playoffs than Tomlin.

                            They win in spite of him, not because of him. What exactly does Tomlin do good except cliches and cheerleading?
                            Tomlin: Let's unleash hell and "mop the floor" with the competition.

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                            • whatever
                              Legend
                              • Sep 2019
                              • 5795

                              #44
                              Originally posted by steelz09
                              I'm 100% confident in saying that Jay Gruden would have been just as successful or moreso especially in the playoffs than Tomlin.

                              They win in spite of him, not because of him. What exactly does Tomlin do good except cliches and cheerleading?
                              Agreed. But I think there are lots of coaches that would also.
                              How is it possible to have the best owner, best front office, best gm, best HC, good/great drafts every year and good FA acquisitions every year, but only have 3 playoff wins in 14 years?

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                              • NJ-STEELER
                                Legend
                                • May 2008
                                • 12563

                                #45
                                this would be crazy not look into.

                                aside from maybe belichcik, I don't think any coach is worth a top 5 pick. that said, I doubt washington gives up a top 5 pick for a coach, even as dumb as they are

                                But, i'd take a their 2nd and #1 next year if they are that interested

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