Fire Mike Tomlin

[Northern_Blitz]

Don’t we get 3 timeouts a half?

I’ve never ever once cared about losing or using a time out in the first half.

This

I also can't remember a recent game have where we ran out of challenged and needed another. Probably because the league auto reviews important things anyway.

This whole topic is making a mountain out of a mole hill so Tomlin haters can hate something after a dominant win.

[NorthCoast]

This

I also can't remember a recent game have where we ran out of challenged and needed another. Probably because the league auto reviews important things anyway.

This whole topic is making a mountain out of a mole hill so Tomlin haters can hate something after a dominant win.

^^100%^^

the haters aren't bothering to wait for an actual screwup on a timeout by the HC, so they moan about a potential screw up.

[Mr.wizard]

if what you say is true
why did tomlin not challenge the play last year vs cincy when connor extended the ball over the end zone. the announcers saw the replay and said it looked like it broke the plane. the play was in the 3rd qr.
Tomlin blew a challenge on the first drive of the game on a switzer catch that was short of the 1st down marker

it was a 1st or 2nd and goal at the 1 yard line. if he challenges the call he will have zero challenges left for the last quarter +

why take the chance on getting a TD from the 1 yard line when he could have challenged it and got a TD ruling?

I don't know maybe he didn't think it was winnable.

[Mr.wizard]

no

you save them for situations more important than a down and 10 yards. if it was a scoring play or turnover, I as well as most people would have no issue with using a challenge

That may be the important situation, that's the whole point!!!!!

[Northern_Blitz]

if what you say is true
why did tomlin not challenge the play last year vs cincy when connor extended the ball over the end zone. the announcers saw the replay and said it looked like it broke the plane. the play was in the 3rd qr.
Tomlin blew a challenge on the first drive of the game on a switzer catch that was short of the 1st down marker

it was a 1st or 2nd and goal at the 1 yard line. if he challenges the call he will have zero challenges left for the last quarter +

why take the chance on getting a TD from the 1 yard line when he could have challenged it and got a TD ruling?

I think there are probably 2 reasons.
1) 2nd half TOs are way more valuable than 1st half TOs.
2) You have several more downs (2 or 3 depending on if it was 1st or 2nd) to make 1 yard. The odds of doing that have to be pretty good (even for our team which seems to be not that good in short yardage situations).

[Oh wow]

I think there are probably 2 reasons.
1) 2nd half TOs are way more valuable than 1st half TOs.
2) You have several more downs (2 or 3 depending on if it was 1st or 2nd) to make 1 yard. The odds of doing that have to be pretty good (even for our team which seems to be not that good in short yardage situations).

Saw this happen in last nights game.

First they tried to get a OPI called...

Then the Rams TE crossed the GL but they didn’t challenge it. Scored the next play.

Rams still lost. I wonder if fans will say he wasted a precious timeout and challenge early?

and in my opinion the WR pushed off blatantly twice.

[Northern_Blitz]

Saw this happen in last nights game.

First they tried to get a OPI called...

Then the Rams TE crossed the GL but they didn’t challenge it. Scored the next play.

Rams still lost. I wonder if fans will say he wasted a precious timeout and challenge early?

and in my opinion the WR pushed off blatantly twice.

More evidence that PI challenges are stupid.

You can challenge it, but they'll never overturn it (maybe not even in the Saints game)

[whatever]

Saw this happen in last nights game.

First they tried to get a OPI called...

Then the Rams TE crossed the GL but they didn’t challenge it. Scored the next play.

Rams still lost. I wonder if fans will say he wasted a precious timeout and challenge early?

and in my opinion the WR pushed off blatantly twice.

It was a good no call. The defender was hands on all the way. The wr had his arm extended but didn't create separation.
You wanted a certain team to win so saw it the way you wanted to...... blatantly.

[Real Deal Steel]

It was a good no call. The defender was hands on all the way. The wr had his arm extended but didn't create separation.
You wanted a certain team to win so saw it the way you wanted to...... blatantly.

I agree with this.

[Northern_Blitz]

It was a good no call. The defender was hands on all the way. The wr had his arm extended but didn't create separation.
You wanted a certain team to win so saw it the way you wanted to...... blatantly.

I think this is the point I was trying to make.

Replay doesn't make fans feel like the game is officiated better. Everyone sees what they want to see based on the team they want to win.

[Real Deal Steel]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/10/03/like-big-ben-mason-rudolph-not-allowed-to-call-quarterback-sneaks/

I thought Toddy Haley was the one responsible for not allowing QB sneaks?

[whatever]

I think this is the point I was trying to make.

Replay doesn't make fans feel like the game is officiated better. Everyone sees what they want to see based on the team they want to win.

The NFL will never be able to convince the fans that are oblivious to rational thinking, but they can and do show and explain why they made the call. The fans that stay upset are the ones that don't understand the rules and how they are implied.
The replay may not make a fan of that team feel better but it can eliminate the 'conspiracy' attitude that fans have in general about the NFL.

[BURGH86STEEL]

I agree with the idea that it's probably way harder for coaches to make real time decisions than it is for us to do in Madden.

I also don't think coaches challenges are especially important (like many 1st half time outs), so I don't even really care that much if we end up "wasting them".

Every one is going to have a different opinion on the use of challenges, time outs ect.

Offenses typically run probably 60 to 65 plays a game depending on different variables. Offensive possessions can be limited. It's also "easier" from a % and common sense perspective to convert 2 and 10 than it is to covert 2 and 20 to extend an offense possession/drive. Especially with young QB.

For some reason people want to make way to much out of the use of challenges in a game where many unknows come into play. It doesn't make x y or z coach an idiot for using a challenge that can impact an offensive or defensive possession. It's a matter of choice. 50/50 shot.

If some arm chair coaches on this forum choose not to use a challenege I would understand. Just like I understood why Tomlin choose to use a challenge.

People are so hell bent on being right that they fail to realize there isn't a wrong or right decision under the circumstances.

[BURGH86STEEL]

again, I fail to see why this issue is so hard to get through with these guys. If you watch more then just 1 stillerss game a week, you hear this topic discussed ALL the time.
there was little chance of that getting overturned. the former official in the booth said it as well.

sometimes you just have to let a bad call be a ball call and not compound the mistake.

the challenge was not for a possible scoring pay, or possible turnover, or even a 1st down.

it was for a difference of a down and 10 yards
WTF !!!

Is it easier to covert 2nd and 10 than it is to covert 2nd and 20?

[Northern_Blitz]

Every one is going to have a different opinion on the use of challenges, time outs ect.

Offenses typically run probably 60 to 65 plays a game depending on different variables. Offensive possessions can be limited. It's also "easier" from a % and common sense perspective to convert 2 and 10 than it is to covert 2 and 20 to extend an offense possession/drive. Especially with young QB.

For some reason people want to make way to much out of the use of challenges in a game where many unknows come into play. It doesn't make x y or z coach an idiot for using a challenge that can impact an offensive or defensive possession. It's a matter of choice. 50/50 shot.

If some arm chair coaches on this forum choose not to use a challenege I would understand. Just like I understood why Tomlin choose to use a challenge.

People are so hell bent on being right that they fail to realize there isn't a wrong or right decision under the circumstances.

I think this makes sense.

In this case, I think it was reasonable to throw the challenge flag.

I also think it would have been reasonable to not throw the challenge flag.