Fire Mike Tomlin

[NorthCoast]

Accounting for the human element of "judgement" it is a 50/50 shot. Anyone can see the call for or against depending on one's perspective. That's why I said 50/50 shot.

I am not a fan of the PI review. It was an overreaction to a missed call. Just let the call stand as called on the field and live with the repercussions.

If you're referring to the original call on the field as 50/50 I would agree.

[steelz09]

I did like the small camera they installed at the bottom of the first down marker for this game.

They only played one replay from it during this past game, but at least it is there in case of a questionable spot that can help determine if a ball carrier passed the required distance needed for a first down before their knee hits the turf.

It was similar to the pylon cameras that have been used to help determine if a runner broke the plane at the goal line.

Certainly a better use of technology than Booger riding in a cherry picker contraption on MNF last year.

They could use sensors and the lines that indicate the first down marker which is generated on a screen.

You would always know if the ball crossed a plane and you eliminate the need for chains. Speeds up the game and removes the guessing aspect of where to mark the ball.

The only think you need to worry about at that point is where the ball is in relation to their knee, elbow, etc being down.

Is it full proof? No. It solves 80% of a problem. The 20% is still manual.

A big improvement over the guess work they do now.

[Oh wow]

NFL is still entertainment. It’s not really about getting all the calls right.

Obviously.

The camera for the first down pylon is great.

[flippy]

They could use sensors and the lines that indicate the first down marker which is generated on a screen.

You would always know if the ball crossed a plane and you eliminate the need for chains. Speeds up the game and removes the guessing aspect of where to mark the ball.

The only think you need to worry about at that point is where the ball is in relation to their knee, elbow, etc being down.

Is it full proof? No. It solves 80% of a problem. The 20% is still manual.

A big improvement over the guess work they do now.

Put sensors on the players, the ball, and the field. Let software ref the game.

But why stop there. Robo players are next. Then you add robo coaches and robo owners and robo fans.

And where do we fit in? We’ll have to be the kids watching other kids playing video games.

[steelz09]

Put sensors on the players, the ball, and the field. Let software ref the game.

But why stop there. Robo players are next. Then you add robo coaches and robo owners and robo fans.

And where do we fit in? We’ll have to be the kids watching other kids playing video games.

Or maybe this world we are living in is just a video game. And this isn't me typing, it someone else. Someone playing the game
🤯

[whatever]

Just eliminate the replays on TV.
The average fan doesn't notice anything. People that understand the game can notice a few infractions in real time.
Nobody could really tell a close call one way or the other.

[Northern_Blitz]

They could use sensors and the lines that indicate the first down marker which is generated on a screen.

You would always know if the ball crossed a plane and you eliminate the need for chains. Speeds up the game and removes the guessing aspect of where to mark the ball.

The only think you need to worry about at that point is where the ball is in relation to their knee, elbow, etc being down.

Is it full proof? No. It solves 80% of a problem. The 20% is still manual.

A big improvement over the guess work they do now.

I've heard people talk about this on TV / radio, but I think it would be pretty difficult to do.

I don't know what kind of sensor they'd use in the ball. Something like GPS wouldn't work because it's only accurate to about 4 m. And we'd probably want resolution in inches. I don't know of a position sensor that would be that good. And it would have to be pretty robust to go through all the impacts in games.

I'm not sure, but I'd guess that the lines on the TV are probably put on using image processing. If that's the case, they're "dumb" in that they wouldn't know anything about their own position relative to the ball (which would be a separate signal that probably wouldn't be calibrated to the pixels they draw the line on).

But it's not my area of engineering so there certainly could be something that would work that I'm not familiar with.

And I don't think it would be worth the cost (probably substantial) when the humans probably get to within the length of the ball the vast majority of the time. Like challenging PI, it's a problem that doesn't need solving.

[Northern_Blitz]

Or maybe this world we are living in is just a video game. And this isn't me typing, it someone else. Someone playing the game
🤯

It that's the case, the Matrix could get every call right. But we humans would reject the simulation. It's too perfect, we need the suffering

[Buzz]

again, I fail to see why this issue is so hard to get through with these guys. If you watch more then just 1 stillerss game a week, you hear this topic discussed ALL the time.
there was little chance of that getting overturned. the former official in the booth said it as well.

sometimes you just have to let a bad call be a ball call and not compound the mistake.

the challenge was not for a possible scoring pay, or possible turnover, or even a 1st down.

it was for a difference of a down and 10 yards
WTF !!!

Dave Schofield:

"My bonehead decision was Mike Tomlin challenging the offensive pass interference call on Johnny Holton. It’s not that it was a bad call, because it was. It’s not because it shouldn’t have been overturned because it should have. It’s because it would’ve only given them 2nd and 10 versus 1st and 20. And when they got 11 yards on first down, they were in better shape then if the penalty would have been overturned."

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2019/10/3/20892912/the-pittsburgh-steelers-bonehead-decision-of-the-week-bengals-edition-benny-snell-mike-tomlin-nfl

[Northern_Blitz]

Dave Schofield:

"My bonehead decision was Mike Tomlin challenging the offensive pass interference call on Johnny Holton. It’s not that it was a bad call, because it was. It’s not because it shouldn’t have been overturned because it should have. It’s because it would’ve only given them 2nd and 10 versus 1st and 20. And when they got 11 yards on first down, they were in better shape then if the penalty would have been overturned."

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...ike-tomlin-nfl

The part in gold required knowing the future though.

If you were Mike Tomlin in the moment of the challenge, what you know about your offence at that time is that it really, really sucks. Your running game has been terrible and your QB almost never completes passes that go beyond the line of scrimmage.

I think you're thinking about how you hope the D can hold them and that this is a game of attrition where field position is really important.

In that case, punting an extra 10 yards down the field could easily matter.

Now we know that our O ended up doing quite well against the Bungals. But we didn't at the time. And Tomlin certainly didn't know that our next play was going to go for 11 yards (and I'd imagine most of us would have bet against it too).

[Buzz]

The part in gold required knowing the future though.

If you were Mike Tomlin in the moment of the challenge, what you know about your offence at that time is that it really, really sucks. Your running game has been terrible and your QB almost never completes passes that go beyond the line of scrimmage.

I think you're thinking about how you hope the D can hold them and that this is a game of attrition where field position is really important.

In that case, punting an extra 10 yards down the field could easily matter.

Now we know that our O ended up doing quite well against the Bungals. But we didn't at the time. And Tomlin certainly didn't know that our next play was going to go for 11 yards (and I'd imagine most of us would have bet against it too).

It's true that you couldn't know that you would get 11 yards on first down. But at that point in the game, the risk (losing a timeout and your challenge) was too great to be overcome by the reward of possibly winning that challenge. All you stand to gain is going from a 1st and 20 to a 2nd and 10. I know y'all don't agree, but I just don't get your thinking on this.

But that's OK. We'll just disagree on it. It was just one moment in an otherwise brilliant game by Tomlin and his staff.

[Oh wow]

Don’t we get 3 timeouts a half?

I’ve never ever once cared about losing or using a time out in the first half.

[NJ-STEELER]

Wrong, a coach doesn't overlook actual situations that he is in during a game to try and prepare for hypothetical situations that may occur in the 4th quarter. It's like the situation where the coach may use a timeout early the 3rd quarter to prevent a delay of game and somebody says, "Oh that was dumb he may need that timeout later". He may need that timeout later and he may not, it may be more important to score on the current drive than to keep a timeout, you can't possibly know until the game plays out,

if what you say is true
why did tomlin not challenge the play last year vs cincy when connor extended the ball over the end zone. the announcers saw the replay and said it looked like it broke the plane. the play was in the 3rd qr.
Tomlin blew a challenge on the first drive of the game on a switzer catch that was short of the 1st down marker

it was a 1st or 2nd and goal at the 1 yard line. if he challenges the call he will have zero challenges left for the last quarter +

why take the chance on getting a TD from the 1 yard line when he could have challenged it and got a TD ruling?

[NJ-STEELER]

No its how every coach coaches, they dont sacrifice drives to save timeouts or challenges to suggest that they do is absurd. The current drive is what you are able to manage during the game, you cant manage 4th quarter drives in the 2nd quarter that havent happened yet. Your trying to suggest that challenges should be saved until the 4th quarter because thats where the game is decided, nothing could be further from the truth.

no

you save them for situations more important than a down and 10 yards. if it was a scoring play or turnover, I as well as most people would have no issue with using a challenge

[NJ-STEELER]

Dave Schofield:

"My bonehead decision was Mike Tomlin challenging the offensive pass interference call on Johnny Holton. It’s not that it was a bad call, because it was. It’s not because it shouldn’t have been overturned because it should have. It’s because it would’ve only given them 2nd and 10 versus 1st and 20. And when they got 11 yards on first down, they were in better shape then if the penalty would have been overturned."

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...ike-tomlin-nfl

its so obvious, I again ask what the F**K are these people watching besides steeler games